[1]whoa! that caught me off guard. i hope you're not cursing me or anything of some sort. [2]uh... that wasn't what you said before. i remember you saying that "he's trying to prove that humans can do good and bad things", now you're saying that he's proving that it's satan who is making humans do bad things. anyway, the point is why does he need to prove anything when he made humans in his image and likeness? if they're initially good, why the need to prove that they're bad? or rather, why the need to prove? [3]well there's the evolution of man. religion doesn't accept the idea that man's ancestors were the chimps, that as time passed by they eventually evolved to what humans are now. of course i want to mention the age-old debate of the creation of the universe, but the problem lies to it being a theory. the reason why i said that religion and science doesn't mix well is because of its contradicting beliefs. science didn't prove anything religion had said, science merely states that what religion has concluded or stated can be proven using concrete evidence and not just by stating "man was created from a molded piece of soil". my brain is perfectly fine, thank you very much. if you read my post well, which i assume you did, i was referring to the thread about the creation of the universe (god vs. big bang theory, you know... the religion vs. science thingy), that since the big bang theory isn't able to explain where that "something" came from before it exploded, that it was created by god himself. and since god made everything, i assumed that even evil was created by him. i believe i can correct myself of whatever stuff i say here and i believe that my assumption is wrong. your analogy amazes the heck out of me, but anyway, that's besides the point. he didn't create evil, evil manifested itself in the form of lucifer. so i was wrong to say he created evil, and you saying that he created evil indirectly. ouch. that really hurts. i am here doing my best to reply to your posts with all my power and here you are acusing me of such stuff... that hurts big time. well credits may matter, but i've been in this board for more than a year now, and the need for credits is just secondary in my list. i've noticed the trend among the newbies who are in great need of free hosting, that the fast way in getting them is either replying to threads and posting a new thread (without checking if there have been duplicates already), the latter being the more sensible reason. and you can see the "need" because they post in rapid succession then instantly get send a request for free hosting account. of course i don't deny this because when i started here, that's what i did... or at least part of it. when i log in to the board, the first thing i go to is the shoutbox. i check if there are people i can talk to and when i don't find some, i end up going to somewhere else over the net (wherever that is, that's none of anybody's business ). frankly speaking i rarely can't find interesting posts/threads to reply to these days (or posts/threads that get my attention), and if i did find one, it's either some this' and that's or i'm just posting for the sake of posting. that's why i'm thanking you for putting up a great reply, something that i am starting to get fond of you don't need to say sorry really. [1]dude, i never mentioned in any of the threads, this in particular, that i don't know anything about any religion. what makes you assume that? just because i am on a different side than yours or truefusion's, doesn't mean i don't know anything about it. sure, i could shun them all out, but that won't help me at all in finding which path i believe is the best. religion is part of whichever society we belong to, it shapes the people and thus shaping it's history. we study history in order to know how society was like in the past and how it could have an effect in the present date. [2]since you're a believer, i'm assuming that you believe in the creation of man as stated in the bible, and if you did, that statement of yours really doesn't match your beliefs. god created man in his image and likeness, yet he didn't want man to have knowledge (thus he told them not to eat the forbidden fruit), because he believed that with knowledge, man would turn against him. in that sense when knowledge is acquired, man is able to choose which path to take, a path that is different from what is presented by god. which would only say that what you have stated above supports what i've said about me finding a "better path/option" than what he(god) has presented. [3]actually, praying, which is part of a devout's rituals, is a difficult thing to do. yes it is simple in a sense that you're just reading a bunch of words out loud. it is difficult because you "put your soul" and basically every essence of you in the prayer. it signifies that you believe in the greater power that you are addressing the prayer to. remember the term called "faith"? [4]is that so? it's written in plain english. i wonder why you don't think it doesn't have any sense... unless you didn't understand what i said. this is one of the reasons why i enjoy writing a reply to your post. i mean, really... it's like enjoying a morning cup of hot drink while reading the paper, then suddenly i spurt out every drop of liquid in my mouth. you're such a jest. seriously, i have never heard of someone who used cards to choose whatever path they want in life. although i was just wondering, would you freeze like what had happened to you if, let's say, the card you picked was "atheism". certainly you wouldn't have reacted the same way. would you have switched sides if that were to happen? you only froze because you were initially on "god's side", that getting a card that has "god" on it reaffirms your choice, thus the reaction okay, i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt (although i seriously don't want to), and let's say it was god who "let you choose" that card. isn't that so not like him? i mean i believe there are statements like "god is just" and "god is impartial", so by saying that he "let" you choose that, he's already taking sides, and to whom, to a single person like you? i have never seen anyone who had the luxury of buying 20 decks and writing down every religion (or probably some unkown creature there is) on every single card. i would probably give up on just half a deck. i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were able to do all these stuff and have the luxury of time and money, for the sole purpose of allowing you to prove to me what you mean. moreover, by giving you the benefit of the doubt, i'm saving you from going to the depths of hell (as the cliche goes, liars go to hell), for any sane person would not believe such far-fetched story. i need not comment on it because it doesn't sound so true. it sounded so superficial. and the last statement you gave, the one that says got me offended, because it's as if you're trying to make a fool out of me for saying that. giving out a bunch of "proofs" then ending it with a proof that "didn't happen yet" and proudly assuring that "it will happen" just because the previous proofs had happened already. your proofs isn't convincing enough. all the proofs you've stated aren't believable, i'm starting to doubt you're even capable of providing me with a real proof. and one more thing, i am not doing this to sway you, or truefusion or any member for that matter, out of your beliefs and your religion. and you merely challenging me of providing proof so i could sway you to my side or to other religions' side sounded like an insult.