Homosexuality Homosexuality - Yes or no?

[sofiaweb 0]

Is fear the reason why so many people hate homosexualsor is it just becuase of pure ignorance. Well I can say both in a matter of fact people are so afraid of something that they don't understand or don't even want to understand. I'm not taking about religous groups here I'm talking about homophobics is general. Question what is so wrong about homosexuality. What is abnormal about it? Just to let you know people have been known to share sexual affection for the same sex since the big bang.And animals sometimes can do the same thing. Whats so wrong and imoral about that Or are there people that are just scared of being hit on or something like that well if thats the reason then thats pathetic. Thisis comming from someones who's bi I like girls but I like boys more so I'm hardly ever gonna flirt with someone becuase she is a girl. I have to get to know you a bit more, do you honestly think gays flirt with any same gender they see in sight well some do. But certainly don't (I hope you get the point )

[VishBoy 0]

That's people choise, and i don't think someone need to interfear their desisions That's their choise, they'll do whatever they want with their lives

[rob86 2]

Question what is so wrong about homosexuality. What is abnormal about it? Just to let you know people have been known to share sexual affection for the same sex since the big bang.

lol. Perhaps I'm just immature, but that pun (not intended?) was funny.

I don't think being homosexual is morally wrong. It happens in nature and even animals can be homosexual. The thing is, it's not always natural. You can't tell me every gay person in the world is gay or bisexual because of natural reasons. Some ARE disturbed individuals. You hear about all the priests raping young boys, why? Isn't it strange these men are sexually attracted to young boys? The same gender? They must have developed some unnatural desire for young boys.

That's the thing.. you can attack from both sides. Homosexuality can be natural, but homosexuality can (ok, I'm assuming this) also be a result of some psychological problem. Biologically straight people may gay because of loneliness,depression or low self esteem or something..you know. Is homosexuality an acceptable escape for people with psychological problems? I don't know, but I think it's better for people to overcome their problems instead of escaping to a path of least resistance (accepted homosexuality). It's like asking if cutting yourself for stress relief is acceptable, I don't think so, but nobody shoots a person who does this.

But in general, I don't think gays should be crucified or anything. It's not sinful (I don't believe in sin) and it's not bothering me any. It's like being left handed and right handed. Assuming the "mold" of how humans SHOULD be is that people should be right handed, it's still cruel and inhuman to ostracize them (or claim they should be shot!) for being born different. Homosexuality can't be NATURALLY CORRECT, because it doesn't make sense. Sex exists in nature almost solely to reproduce (except a few species). While it still happens once in a while, homosexuality would never be common or sensible because the animals wouldn't be able to reproduce and share their genes! As for homosexuality being morally correct, well, it's not hurting anyone, so sure it's fine.

As for bisexuality, well I don't know, it's often a result of a persons lifestyle.People who live in large cities around a lot of people and either are the frequent partier type or the depressed type seem to often turn bisexual, especially females. I have no idea why this is, but it sure seems like an accurate observation to me. I don't hate a person for it either way.

Anyway, I don't hold anything against you miss sofiaweb for being bi! Doesn't bother me any.

[webishqiptar 0]

I cannot judge anyone, but I am someone who believes that things are created for some function and anything not related to their function is abnormal or pathology. That is my opinion, that women and men are created for each other and to make possible life goes on for other generations. Homosexuality to me is just and abnormal pathology coming from sex relationships degeneration.

[rob86 2]

Homosexuality is abnormal webishqiptar, there's no doubt about that. It's not "the way it should be" by any means for obvious reasons, (male and female of any non-"intelligent" species always go together) but as far as I know, it has been studied and homosexuality does occur in nature. I liken the occurrence of homosexuality to a biological "accident". I know that sounds offensive, but it's not meant to be. To me, it's like being born with two heads. It's not normal, it's not accepted and it's disturbing to the average person, but it happens and a person born like this shouldn't be punished for that as they're still human.Like I was saying in my other post, it gets confusing, because like straight people, all homosexuals are not the same and it's not fair to judge them as a group. Some are natural born homosexuals, and some probably aren't.The thing I find curious is that homosexuals are always associated with degenerate sex. When the idea of a gay guy is mentioned, it's always assumed they're disturbed anal sex addicts. When people think of bisexual girls, I'd bet the most common opinion of them is that they're the porn star type, shagging everything and everyone. I guess it's the weird ones that stand out in the media.I don't know if these opinions are true, because i haven't met too many homosexuals or bisexuals.. but I'll be fair and say they can't all be the same! Some homosexuals must be normal people that a straight man wouldn't mind hanging out with ..right? I don't know! I met one homosexual guy who was a cool person I didn't mind talking to, he dressed normally and acted normally and I knew (not personally) another homosexual man that was the most highly disturbed person you could ever meet. He was charged for raping two of his female friends (who assumed he was 100% gay), he talked like a stereotypical gay, he sexually harrassed men and women alike by rubbing against them against their will, he frequently undressed and pleasured himself in public So yeah... I think you should judge a person by who they are and not the type of person they're attracted to. There are weirdos on "both teams" as they say.

[truefusion 3]

Some are natural born homosexuals, and some probably aren't.

It's not safe to assume that some people are born gay. Even if you were to argue "animals do it too," that doesn't show that these animals were born gay (even though such a statement implies that we should be getting our morality by imitating animals). The fact that people can stop being gay later in life implies that it may not be a biological thing. The statement "they're born gay" is often taken as a given, though really no evidence is ever provided (at least from what i've seen). Not even an article. Even when i try searching for one, i get something else (often times people refuting the possibility of being born gay). So your premise that "some people are born gay" holds no weight (until proof can be provided).

[Baniboy 3]

even though such a statement implies that we should be getting our morality by imitating animals

What morality has to do with homosexuality? If something isn't damaging, then why it should be immoral? What kind of immoral acts animals do? Give us some examples? Because as far as I know, animals only want to survive, and base their "moral laws" on survival(like panda kills its other baby if it has 2 of them, because it can only look after 1).

The fact that people can stop being gay later in life implies that it may not be a biological thing

You mean those priests saying "I was gay once and now I'm back with Jesus"? That is not counted as fact, they (probably) just go back to live in the closet or they weren't gay in the first place, and just had way too many problems. The coin has two sides, how there are many people (some that have already had time to get married with the opposite sex and have kids) coming out of the closet?
Another thing is of course that we haven't yet found the "gay gene", so you can easily say that they are not born *person*(lol, the filter censored the word...)- or heterosexual. What if they aren't? There is nothing wrong with it if they were born as gay or not. As I already said, homosexuality isn't damaging in a small or large scale, so it can't be morally "wrong", of course if you have someone else telling you your moral laws, but that's a completely different thing. It's not morality, it's "obey or you'll be punished", laws. That kind of rules exist so we can keep control of the people in a system, they are not meant to be moral laws. Real morality comes from the person itself, when a kid grows to be a 6 years old (I think), the person can look at the situations from others' perspective and see if he/she is harming others by his/her acts. Then, think if he/she would like to be treated as he/she is treating another person.
Edited July 23, 2009 by Baniboy (see edit history)

[truefusion 3]

What morality has to do with homosexuality? If something isn't damaging, then why it should be immoral? What kind of immoral acts animals do? Give us some examples? Because as far as I know, animals only want to survive, and base their "moral laws" on survival(like panda kills its other baby if it has 2 of them, because it can only look after 1).

If you read what you said, then you'll see that you've basically answered your own questions (regardless of them being rhetorical). But in case you don't see it (as you seem to have missed it the first time around), if we follow from "your" belief that anything damaging or harmful is immoral, you can easily conclude that their "survival tactics" are immoral, as they are obviously harmful to their prey. How you respond to your first question is by stating whatever comes after it. But morality deals with what is good or bad. But to say something about your second question: Why does anything that causes harm or calamity or undesirable consequences necessitate immorality?

 

You mean those priests saying "I was gay once and now I'm back with Jesus"? That is not counted as fact, they (probably) just go back to live in the closet or they weren't gay in the first place, and just had way too many problems. The coin has two sides, how there are many people (some that have already had time to get married with the opposite sex and have kids) coming out of the closet?

 

Another thing is of course that we haven't yet found the "gay gene", so you can easily say that they are not born *person*(lol, the filter censored the word...)- or heterosexual. What if they aren't? There is nothing wrong with it if they were born as gay or not. As I already said, homosexuality isn't damaging in a small or large scale, so it can't be morally "wrong", of course if you have someone else telling you your moral laws, but that's a completely different thing. It's not morality, it's "obey or you'll be punished", laws. That kind of rules exist so we can keep control of the people in a system, they are not meant to be moral laws. Real morality comes from the person itself, when a kid grows to be a 6 years old (I think), the person can look at the situations from others' perspective and see if he/she is harming others by his/her acts. Then, think if he/she would like to be treated as he/she is treating another person.

Homosexuals converting to heterosexuals later on in their lives does not always involve Christianity (though it does tend to require something big). Many people take counseling, even to figure out whether they're gay or not. If a person is confused or if they were confused about their sexual orientation in some point in time, then they were obviously not born gay. But even if it were the case with the priests example you gave, though it may not be absolute, it would still be illogical to deny all cases, due to ignorance.

 

There is nothing wrong with being born gay, sure, but that doesn't mean your position on what morality is is absolute. Just because something is damaging does not mean that it necessitates immorality. Your statement implies limiting morality to the physical self, but harm can go beyond that. And assuming a "moral standard" without first justifying it is fallacious, as it is basically special pleading. Therefore any statements following it are fallacious. And undesirable consequences doesn't deny morality, especially if the one receiving harm is receiving harm because they first caused harm. Real morality cannot come from a being who has equal authority as any other being. For if real morality came from the human self, then morality would be merely a guessing game, where people make things up as they go. How can imaginative thoughts be real morality (when your thoughts are equal to everyone else's thoughts)? Indeed, in such a world there is no such thing as real morality. Thankfully, no one can (logically) show that such a world exists.

[Polipop 0]

Morality... That something we hear everyday... I seriously think there are worst things made by people with the so called morality. Being homosexual isn't immoral, as I think. I have tons of homosexual friends, my best friend is homosexual. I've seen how much he has been through. He's a great human being, better than many... He's not different from anybody. He has a different option.I think this world need to respect everybody. No matter what the choose in their lives. I think the respect should be first. There are many people moralist who does not respect anybody... . That's worse. That makes this world even worse.

[Tremayne 0]

I don't people are born gay I think people decide to be gay, because thats what they are attracted to. There may be a plethora of reasons for being gay but there is nothing wrong with being gay. Some people choose to collect model trains but that shouldn't outlaw them from society.I made a few friends that are gay, the first gay guy i met i didn't know was gay when i met him, and i thought he was a cool guy and once he told me he was gay which at the time was pretty foreign to me i found out that i really don't care, i don't care if people are gay or not because it's their preference, it's not that i support or discriminate i just don't take sexuality into consideration while evaluating a person.

[dangerdan 0]

Some ARE disturbed individuals. You hear about all the priests raping young boys, why? Isn't it strange these men are sexually attracted to young boys? The same gender? They must have developed some unnatural desire for young boys.

Why do people always assume that every single homosexual man in the world is also a child raping paedophile? It makes absolutely no sense. 99% OF GAY MEN HAVE NO SEXUAL DESIRES TOWARD CHILDREN WHAT SO EVER. There are hetrosexual paedophiles - guaranteed.

Ultimately, someone decision to be gay does not affect your civil liberties or right to live your life how you want, so why infringe upon a homosexuals rights by saying their life style choice is wrong?

The fact this is even a debate is, in my opinion, disgusting. People need to stop hating gays and bashing the bible, seriously, it's the 21st Century.

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[anwiii 17]

well, aside from being the first to start spreading one of the most deadly viruses in the world to other innocent people, i don't have a problem with them. personally, i don't see anything 100% natural about being homosexual but that ay still be my own ignorance. i also have had a lot of gay friends in the past so i think i understand them more than most. i also have never ever met anyone who was 100% gay...on the male side because i used to ask a lot of questions on this subject to my gay friends after trust was gained. i have gone to gay bars with some of them, but i don't like to be touched and i absolutely don't like seeing two guys kissing. i have to turn away for that. but ummmm to each their own. everyone should strive for their own peace and happiness so i wish them all the best with that. i really don't understand the closet gays. i believe they should just all come out so the world has a better chance of accepting them. there is strength in #'s. and then ummmmm put 'm all on an island somewhere....haha j/k my fruity friends. i love ya all!

Is fear the reason why so many people hate homosexualsor is it just becuase of pure ignorance.
Well I can say both in a matter of fact people are so afraid of something that they don't understand or don't even want to understand. I'm not taking about religous groups here I'm talking about homophobics is general.

Question what is so wrong about homosexuality. What is abnormal about it? Just to let you know people have been known to share sexual affection for the same sex since the big bang.And animals sometimes can do the same thing. Whats so wrong and imoral about that

Or are there people that are just scared of being hit on or something like that well if thats the reason then thats pathetic. Thisis comming from someones who's bi I like girls but I like boys more so I'm hardly ever gonna flirt with someone becuase she is a girl. I have to get to know you a bit more, do you honestly think gays flirt with any same gender they see in sight well some do. But certainly don't (I hope you get the point )

Edited July 25, 2009 by anwiii (see edit history)

[networker 0]

I have no problem with anybody's sexuality. Some peopleare gay and very open about it and some aren't. Who really cares? I think if it happens naturally in nature, then it doesn't seem any point to question it.

[inverse_bloom 0]

Actually many of the animal species have a tendency to take preference on the same sex, surprisingly its actually normal. It's because of our "moral construct" that the majority of people view this otherwise. After saying that i have a problem with gay people giving me unwanted attention, this minority can actually be scary! (Its unfortunate that i know this to be true).

[D. Benitez 0]

In response to Rob86: I find alot of contradictions in your post. You say that homosexuality is not a sin (you don't believe in sin) but you, on the other hand say it is unnatural and you continue throughout your post to make many contradictions. First, I in no way am responding to ridicule or condemn you or anyone else. I do not hate homosexuals, lesbians, etc. They are creations of God as we all are, and God loves them. It is not my responsibility to judge, but, it is my responsibility the Bible says to warn the righteous of their unrighteousness and the wicked of their wicked deeds and if I don't then their blood will be required of me. You will find this in the old testament (Ejekiel 33) if you are interested. Yes, people have the right to live their lives any way they want (God does not force anyone to live the way he has instructed in His word) but he does give us His word to define right from wrong. You don't believe in Sin, but sin is everywhere. We all sin. Sin is sin whether we lie, steal, kill, rape, etc. Homosexuality is a sin. We are not born that way because the Bible says we are male or female (Genesis). People turn to homosexuality, lesbian, etc. because of a traumatic experience somewhere in their lives or because of curiosity, or it was passed down because the Bible says that sin is passed down from generation to generation and the sin nature is easy to fall into if you have no knowledge of God and what His word says. But then again, God has put in everyone the ability to know right from wrong so you really cant say you don't believe in sin, you just don't want to believe.You talk about animals being homosexual also. We are humans, not animals (even though we act like it at times. but animals are just that, animals, they do not have souls. The bible talks about homosexuality. It says that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God and then it lists who this includes: fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, effeminate (homosexuals, lesbians), nor abusers of themselves with mankind. (1 Corinthians 6:9) and continues in verse 10.To end, in respose to they do not hurt anyone, that is partially true. They dont hurt me physically or my life but they hurt themselves by continuing in their sin and refusing to turn from their sin (because they do not read Gods word) The Bible also calls men with men unnatural. It says in Romans chapter 1 (read if you are interested) that women changed the natural use into what is against nature and likewise the men left the natural use of the woman and burned in their lust for one another. God calls it vile affections in verse26.Just some information to think on. Everyone has to make their own decisions and I pray this can help someone.In His Love, D. Benitez