The War Is Real Folks, Read This!

[Albus Dumbledore 0]

Although the origional person who wrote this has not been descovered, everything that is said in this essay is completley real and the truth!

I think that despite how many people that think we should move out of iraq, this could make a differense in some of their minds, i know it changed mine completley.

Before i read this, i said GREAT another junk e-mail about the war in iraq, but when i finished it, i said to myself oh my god that is totaly true, i dont want my home country to be looked down upon as if we are pesants pleading for our life to the muslims who want everyone besides them dead.

So give this a read, it is quite long, but it is well worth it.

This WAR is for REAL !
To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).

The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who realize what losing really means.

First, let's examine a few basics:

1. When did the threat to us start?

Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer as far as the United States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the following attacks on us:

* Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
* Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;
* Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
* Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
* First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
* Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
* Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998;
* Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
* Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;
* New York World Trade Center 2001;
* Pentagon 2001.

(Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide).

2. Why were we attacked?

Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter.

3. Who were the attackers?

In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.

4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25%.

5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?

Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no difference. You either went along with the administration or you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (see http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm )

Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world - German, Christian or any others.

Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, but kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French or anyone else. The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own pronouncements -- killing all of us "infidels." I don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was shut up or die?

6. So who are we at war with?

There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.

So with that background, now to the two major questions:

1. Can we lose this war?

2. What does losing really mean?

If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions.

We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the answer to the second question - What does losing mean?

It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our business, like post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get. What losing really means is:

We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have produced an increasing series of attacks against us, over the past 18 years. The plan was clearly, for terrorist to attack us, until we were neutered and submissive to them.

We would of course have no future support from other nations, for fear of reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we are impotent and cannot help them.

They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to do will be done. Spain is finished.

The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However, it may already be too late for France. France is already 20% Muslim and fading fast!

If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us, if they were threatened by the Muslims.

If we can't stop the Muslims, how could anyone else?

The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know it too and be likewise committed to winning at any cost.

Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that 100% effort to win.

So, how can we lose the war?

Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding." That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their purpose, and really digging in and lending full support to the war effort. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win!

Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life and death seriousness of this situation.

President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation. Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights we have become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently.

And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory and in fact added many more since then.

Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?

No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them out of your head.

Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and weakening. It concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our cause.

Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue, involving the treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our military police. These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.

And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed 400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same type enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and dragging their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq.

And still more recently, the same type enemy that was and is providing videos to all news sources internationally, of the beheading of American prisoners they held.

Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several days have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them.

Can this be for real?

The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life and death struggle we are in and the disastrous results of losing this war, nothing can.

To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle asRomeburned -- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any other country, can survive this internal strife. Again I say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude, of the situation we are in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us, for many years.

Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels! That translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just in theUnited States, but throughout the world.

We are the last bastion of defense.

We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds of all those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world!

We can't!

If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive, and no other free country in the world will survive if we are defeated.

And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that contributes to the good of the world.

This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or we will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of the Roman Empire. If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to be written or read.

If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little by little, on the established French traditions. The French will be fighting among themselves, over what should or should not be done, which will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?

Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically correct piece by politically correct piece.

And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide, that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to themselves, once they are in power.

They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control the masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about the "peaceful Muslims"?

I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now after the election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation we are in, and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are talking about! Do whatever you can to preserve it.

After reading the above, we all must do this not only for ourselves, but our children, our grandchildren, our country and the world.

Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal and that includes the Politicians and media of our country and the free world!

Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it. Our "leaders" in Congress ought to read it, too.

There are those that find fault with our country, but it is obvious to anyone who truly thinks through this, that we must UNITE!

[MaineFishing45 0]

It does speak so true and such. Personally I think we need to win and step up our fire power, the Isralie forcres are the ones taking the brute force and kicking some butt, and I totally support them!We need to fight the like the terrorists fight sometimes to evenly combat them, and take a more loose approach on destorying things to send our message accross. Its Iran and Syria that are causing problems and stuff, and we need to stop it.Anyways I fully support the war and the other countries that want to put a end to this, but we need a political conference.Also the United Nothing needs to fix there act too, whats up with them?

[mikes242 0]

Common' people The war on terror is a joke. This is a war for Oil and control of OPEC countries. BinLaden is and always has been a CIA asset this is a fact! Please look at what happened on 911. You will see that every fact presented by our govt. is physically imposible. Did you know that Bush has terminated the effort to find binladen. Bush and his ilk know that he did not attack us on 911. Just another manufactured boogyman. These are facts!!! The enimy is real, but it lies within our own government. Look at the history of war provoking actions around the world (Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbour, Gulf War I) If 911 is as the government says it would be the first legitimate pretext for US involvement in a military conquest. Look at the facts of the case:No 757 at the pentagon, just a 16' hole in an abandoned sectionNo 757 in Shanksville, no bodies Flight 93 landed in cleveland! Controlled demolitions of the towers and building seven documented by the eyewitness, firefighters who survived the collapse. They all say it went "Boom Boom Boom Boom like someone planted explosives." Buildings came straight down at freefall speed. No secret service protection for the Presedent (attacks started before he went into the school) all other cabnet members were taken (by force) to secure locations by secret service agents as protocol dictates (but not the pres. - they must not have felt any real danger)Could these rag-tag saudis cause the our countries air defense to stand down for almost 2 hours.Please do some reasearch - find out who the real enimy is. Our "Freedom Depends on it"In conclusion:If the arabs hate us for our freedom than why us the administration decimating the rights provided by our constitution and bill of rights? To make terrorist happy? Maybe if we are no longer free than they won't want to kill us. LOL

[Janissary 0]

Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms.

Do you really believe this? What, are you talking about kindergarten that childeren being jealous..?

"Let's use all our resource to buy weapon! Right, we couldnt find food becasue we spent the money on weapons but it's okey, Im so jealous."



When cold war started, all those spying, little armed organitations, secret deals etc started. USA & USSR made that possible, they armed local people etc... but after cold war is over, all those freaks fell to emptiness. So the terorism born; for them to survive.

I dont think terorist leaders dont have a real agenda other than keeping their power.

USA became main target becasue it applied for the WorldPolice job, interfering everyone's work in sight.

So it is showed like that USA is reason of unrest in regions. It is showed like that USA has a grudge against Muslims. Im not discusing true/wrong, Im telling the motives of terorists (at least, my opinion)

[mikes242 0]

Thank you for that insight. I too find it odd that all these terrorist groups started as agents for the US govt. I suspect that many still are even if just as patsies. It's funny that so many americans don't know that the US govt. funded and trained AlQuida and treated Binladen in a US hospital in UAE just before 911. This is proven and no one wants to even discuss it. To the topic starter: our govt. uses the fear of "terror" to make us run to them for protection, in effect they want us to just dial 911 and wait and hope big brother has what he needs to protect us. if he needs more than oh well no amount is too much when it comes to protecting us from TERRRORRRR.......BTW this is the same psychology used by any good car salesman (oops, salesperson)Democracy requires of it citizens to be informed,(on reality) so as to make smart choices. Let's all get together under the umbrella of truth. Peace

Edited August 12, 2006 by mikes242 (see edit history)

[phpman 0]

Although the origional person who wrote this has not been descovered, everything that is said in this essay is completley real and the truth!
I think that despite how many people that think we should move out of iraq, this could make a differense in some of their minds, i know it changed mine completley.

Before i read this, i said GREAT another junk e-mail about the war in iraq, but when i finished it, i said to myself oh my god that is totaly true, i dont want my home country to be looked down upon as if we are pesants pleading for our life to the muslims who want everyone besides them dead.

So give this a read, it is quite long, but it is well worth it.

Wow i never really thought about it all that much but that just shows that it had a long time to build up maybe somthing could have been done b4 or maybe not? who noes

[mikes242 0]

who noes

The information is out there it's just not packaged for easy consumption. One thing i keep in mind is that governments are not always comprised of the best people. And to realize to what degree we idolize our Govt. figures and trust them implicily. Given the history of world governments as well as our own. To be fair you asked a question: who knows?
I'll post a list of people who do know and have books on the subject.

[arnz 0]

Without reading the entire thread, there always seems to be motive behind a country's reasoning for going to war. The oil reason/excuse seems to be brought up a lot, but then again theres a fair point about the oil, considering the prices of fuel has been up, and up, and once more.. up.. as of late, and aint likely to be stopping rising anytime soon.

[no9t9 0]

One of the reasons why terrorists are here is because of the Cold War. Russia and USA are both to blame for arming and training muslim terrorists. At the time, russia and USA did this to piss each other off and to fight for resources in the region. In afghanistan, the USA and russia were in there supplying weapons and stuff... The USA won the cold war. That's why they are the target. Many people from the middle east see the USA as having RUINED their country because of the self centered attitude of USING people in the region to mess with russia.Fine. now we are stuck with those terrorists. I agree that something must be done about it and "losing the war" will cost us huge BUT... who doesn't know this? We don't need a big arguement to say that terrorism is bad and if we lose it is bad. If people don't understand what "losing" means, they are really ignorant fools.Terrorism's sole goal is to change your way of life. Like the original post, they make everyone scared to deal with you and they want to make the population paranoid. They don't even have to be successful in their bombings. All they have to do is PLOT an attack and if they are caught, people will get all scared and the result is no bottled water, or toothpaste in airplanes anymore.Should we fight against terrorism? this is not the big quesiton. The big question is HOW should we fight against terrorism. Using military force does NOT and will NEVER be able to stop terrorism. That's the whole point of terrorism. It is a way to fight against a larger force. Guerrila attacks. Sleeper cells. etc. They are designed to be IMPOSSIBLE to kill by force. How can you use military force to kill an IDEA? The only way to "win" this "war" is by changing their minds or OURS. How do we do this? I submit that this is an impossibility. This "war" will NEVER end. The world economy may get affected, people may be more scared, but the war will NEVER end. There will always be muslims who will hate christians and there will always be christians who hate muslims. The only way to completey stop this "War", is to irradicate the human race. atleast start by killing all jews, muslims, catholics, christians. They are the biggest trouble makers in the world.

[uiop 0]

I didn't even bother reading that essay, as it didn't cite it's sources. I completely refuse to read any political essays unless they cite their sources or conduct their own study using valid scientific means.Even if the war is "real", it is completely ineffective, history has shown that brute military force is not the way to deal with terrorism. Since the U.S.'s "war on terror" has started, the number of terrorists in the world has grown larger!The ONLY accepted way to deal with terrorism is via international diplomacy and direct aid to terrorism "hot spots".

Edited August 13, 2006 by uiop (see edit history)

[Albus Dumbledore 0]

yes, Oil does play a key part in this war as well, but it is not all about the war, and controll, it is also about terrorism, and making sure a stop is put to some people who can put us in terror without consaquences... anywho, thank you all for posting although some of you strongley dissagree with it, nothing youve said changed that i think it is not only about oil or controll, but also about the war on terror.

[savge17 0]

I didnt bother reading it either. All I know is the war is deffinetly real and people are dying, all I can say is I think we are doing the right thing. Iraq is a terrible country with a terrible backround, its best we step in and improve. Many of you wont think this is neccessarily true but I do, I rather prevent killing by killing so there will be less killing in the future... its the only way to stop it so why not now?

[Albus Dumbledore 0]

I didnt bother reading it either. All I know is the war is deffinetly real and people are dying, all I can say is I think we are doing the right thing. Iraq is a terrible country with a terrible backround, its best we step in and improve. Many of you wont think this is neccessarily true but I do, I rather prevent killing by killing so there will be less killing in the future... its the only way to stop it so why not now?

cant agree more, that is basicly what that whole thing said!

seeing as today is still 9/11, im just going to say this because there are people who believe that what we are doing in iraq is totaly necissary.
i dont need credits for this so im going to put it in quote tags.

today at school was a very sad day, i mean everyone was moping around and the halways were quiet for once during lunch and everything, except for the people who were pretty much crying (yes high schoolers do cry) and we were in class the teacher was talking about 9/11 and suddenly the guy next to me started to cry, he asked to be excused and the teacher said yes then asked me to go with him. so i did, and odly enough 10 minutes later i find us (keep in mind i am straight) sitting on the ground behing the two story building that we have at our school, and he is crying into my sholder explaining why he is, and we had quite a talk about it all and i basicly explained to him, about this essay i read on the web, and that made him feel better. we sat there the whole period, and when the bell rang he said thanx..

so there are people out there who do believe 9/11 is a good thing, and that it was a real thing, and that its not only about war...

[trace-uk 0]

no offense. that sounds very racist. to describe frace as "fading fast" due to its large muslim population completely ignores the fact that french muslims are not radical but rather peaceful french citizens. Also europe as a whole has a very long history of trade with the middle east spanning centuries, so there's more common ground than disputed ground. America also has a large muslim population, who are proud to be american.

[Albus Dumbledore 0]

hmm, like i said, i didn't write this little essay thingy.... someone else did but i dot agree with what they are saying...what is frace?