The Possibility Of Gay Rights Should it be allowed?

[gaea 0]

And off topic: Gaea, bonobos are *not* chimpanzees, nor, as I recall are they all bisexual. And since I'm digressing already, did anyone know that bonobos are the only completely pacifistic primates? They also resemble hairy humans to a very scary degree.

Quick quote from wikipedia:

The Bonobo (Pan paniscus), until recently usually called the Pygmy Chimpanzee and less often the Dwarf or Gracile Chimpanzee, is one of the two species comprising the chimpanzee genus, Pan. The other species in genus Pan is Pan troglodytes, or the Common Chimpanzee.

The mention of complete bisexuality comes from Biological Exuberance (the book i mentioned earlier). That's the only time i've seen that claim...but I'm choosing to believe it as i've never seen an opposing claim, and the book seems to be based on sound scientific rigor. If you any other information on the matter i'd be happy to read it.

The fact that they are the only pacifistic primates is rather interesting. This is largely dirivative from their main method of conflict resolution: sex (many times preformed as a community).

Maybe those hippies were onto something *wink* Ofcourse bonobo's society doesn't really mirror our own. For instance, they rarely develop perminate relationships with one other single individual.

Fun side conversation, but lets try not to get too sidetracked from the origonal point of this topic.
Edited May 1, 2006 by gaea (see edit history)

[agentblade 0]

just my point of view..I disagree that Gays should be allowed.. firstly for many years we've accepted that man and woman should be together and reproduce. This has been the way the human race has been able to progress and move on. So why the sudden change of nature. Thinking about it, is being gay natural or normal? If it is, why only now is there such a sudden urge to become gays?Secondly, what if everyone becomes gays or lesbians, how would gays or lesbians reproduced? Does it mean the termination of the human race that we know of? Of course thankfully not everyone wants to be gays or lesbians. Another food for thought, if they say a man is the head of the household. Then if there are two man in the household, who is the head? Haha..Call me outdated, but I've been brought up with the idea that a family consist of a mother and a father.. not two mothers or two fathers..

[leeleelee 0]

Yeah sure . Gays can get married if they want. In Australia they cant yet - but they are seen as a defacto relationship legally.

[BooZker 0]

Oh god i have so much to say in such little time

Another food for thought, if they say a man is the head of the household. Then if there are two man in the household, who is the head? Haha.

To start off, this is a sexist statement and women should have the right to choose. Something something like this in a job could get you in SERIOUS problems.

Secondly, what if everyone becomes gays or lesbians, how would gays or lesbians reproduced? Does it mean the termination of the human race that we know of? Of course thankfully not everyone wants to be gays or lesbians.

Come on now. All of a sudden everyone is going to become gay? This should have never even been brought up because this would never happen.

4. Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

This is a joke right? If not what country are you from?

7. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

Also very VERY dumb. How were gays born? Well they need 2 staright people to have them right?

8. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

Indeed in some cases yes. Some cases no. That is a closed minded thing to say. Have you actually studied all religions? Of course not. Also i might ask what if it was a strong religion for this? America is holding there constitutional rights back from the right of there own religion. You know that in sports you have to get shots. This is also known as a physical. If in your religion it is against the rules to have shots (Things that God has not giving you and injecting them into the body has givin) You dont have to have it done. I know many people that they do not have shots because of this.

9. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

VERY VERY TRUE! Oh dang it i forgot one thing. 9.8 million familes (2000 census number has increased over the years) are ALREADY single parent families. So you think that it is better to have children is foster care or in countries where they are so pour they have to get rid of them then to give them to gay parents? If so, wow, thats all i have to say about that, wow.

- If for any reason the gay people can not act as nature expect from them, then let this not by shouting or make prades or asking equality in every items of life . Disable people can be respected but they have to know their abnormality. The blind or deaf people have not to go fight and say it is equality. The people with heart problem have not to practice hard activities. People with bone problem have not to compete in running or swimming. People with sight problem and using glasses better to them not participate in some activitites.

Two people in wheelchair can get married. Blind people can get married. Hmm... i dont see what point your trying to get across since the topic is gay marriage. Also this is not a physical problem. Some people may call it a mental one (i do not) but the things your saying are physical

So with all that typing i would love to see more opinions!

[gaea 0]

*laughs* BooZker: You kinda missed the (what i thought was blatent) bitting sarcasim in the "Ten reasons why being gay is wrong" post by 42ndEndOfTheWorld. It's a farce. Taking the opposition's side to try and emphasis how ludacrist is sounds.

...for many years we've accepted that man and woman should be together and reproduce. This has been the way the human race has been able to progress and move on. So why the sudden change of nature. Thinking about it, is being gay natural or normal? If it is, why only now is there such a sudden urge to become gays?

Actually, homosexuality has a history about as long as humanity itself. The best example (or atleast the one that comes first to mind) is the Roman Empire. In roman times not only was homosexuality/bisexuality accepted--it was activly encouraged. (Sidenote: I once saw someone blame the fall of the Roman empire on homosexuality. I laughed so hard. It's the only theory that's even stupider than the lead pipes). It is only in modern, i.e. Jedo-Christian, times that homosexuality has been demonized.

[agentblade 0]

To start off, this is a sexist statement and women should have the right to choose. Something something like this in a job could get you in SERIOUS problems.

This isn't a sexist statement really.. It's been this way since the start of mankind.. Interestingly enough its because of a disagreement in such a statement that families are starting to be dysfunctional. God had chosen from the day he created mankind that the man should lead the family.. It's not because he favors man over woman, in fact he views them as equal. But its the way man and woman are created. But don't forget, husbands are also commanded to love and respect their wives.. I'm not talking about male dominance here..

I'm not against woman taking the lead at work by the way. That is alright, but at the end of the day, for a family to function well, the husband must take the lead in the family while respecting his wife..

I know many of you will disagree with me, but that's ok. Like I said it's my opinion...

Come on now. All of a sudden everyone is going to become gay? This should have never even been brought up because this would never happen.

Well many years ago no one thought gay marriages would be legalised in many countries. Plus why would this never happen? 10, 20 years or even 100 years down the road, what will happen who would know?

VERY VERY TRUE! Oh dang it i forgot one thing. 9.8 million familes (2000 census number has increased over the years) are ALREADY single parent families. So you think that it is better to have children is foster care or in countries where they are so pour they have to get rid of them then to give them to gay parents? If so, wow, thats all i have to say about that, wow.

Just because it's common doesn't make it right.. What kind of values would gay parents pass on to their children..

Single parenting is very bad for the growth of a child. It's very sad to see children not having the love of a mother or father.. They need both.. People need to be responsible for what they do.. But that's another topic altogether.

then again how on earth would gay parents have children???
Edited May 1, 2006 by agentblade (see edit history)

[Albus Dumbledore 0]

lol @ jlhaslips

I don't understand the exclusion of Religion on this topic. Isn't there a phrase on the back of each American dollar bill which states "In God We Trust"?

now the idiot who got it taken out of the pledge is trying to get that taken off...if he wins this i swear it is time to revise the plan for america that the origional founders came up with...destroy all laws and start over.lmao

then again how on earth would gay parents have children???

they would adopt the kids that noone else will, the kids they can show the family love for, the kids that noone wants...

i have posted in many of the homosexual related topics around here on Xisto, and i will say the same thing AGAIN...as long as they can provide love for eachother, and do not try to inflict their homosexuality onto the straight people in the world, who gives a shiat what god says, who cares what the govener says, who cares what the judical system says, who cares what the president says.... people should not have a problem with the way that other people love eachother...

now, in this day in age, most people go homosexual because they want the pleasure from their mate....they will get with 10 people just for pleasure...those are the people that are distorting the image of what most homosexuals are all about, most are not there for the pleasure, they are there for the love from one another...and i think everyone just needs to leave them be because they are all just PEOPLE.

people just need to leave them be, if you dont like them dont pay attention to them, mind your own dam business.

[BooZker 0]

umm no they dont have children. They adopt.

Also Dude your living in the past. I just want to know your way of thinking. Male dominant. I can tell you right now that i know people that i think the man is a idiot. Hope to god he is never dominate. Have you picked up a history book ever? Do you remeber the right to vote for women? That was suc a fight yet you still believe that is true? You might say no i don't but what you ARE going to say is tht men are dominate and should be.

Let's just say this is true, because it is. The Man loves children and lloves to stay at home and watch and care for them. Now the wife loves children, but dosnt like to stay at home. Would you rather have the parent who will not be able to watch them in a good manner then to have the one who loves that job denied because of the the ONE way the bible says? You know how many times christians have broken the rules how about the 51% divorce rate. I'm pretty sure that the other 49% is not all christians.

*laughs* BooZker: You kinda missed the (what i thought was blatent) bitting sarcasim in the "Ten reasons why being gay is wrong" post by 42ndEndOfTheWorld. It's a farce. Taking the opposition's side to try and emphasis how ludacrist is sounds.

Haha alright i wasnt sure there. Plus i have heard some REALLY dumb things lately. There is this group of people who still think the earth is flat. Still. lol off subject, but thats why i can't believe anything i hear anymore.
Edited May 1, 2006 by BooZker (see edit history)

[JasperIk 0]

Honestly, i think the only people who should have a right to say anything other than government is...gee gay people? Its just all these religious people, and homophobes sure have a lot to say about gay rights, but they aren't gay and they have no authority so why speak? Gay people should be the only people allowed to express our opinions, because we know. Sure straight people try to help, and stick up for us but sometimes they go overboard and make us seem like we cannot fight our own fight. Then religious people talk about how it is wrong, and how marriage is sacred but if marriage is religious why is it such a political debate if religion and politics arent supposed to go together. Marriage should be about love, and nothing more. Then there are the homophobes who are mainly ignorant, the men only like lesbians because they find them hot, but don't respect them individually, nor understand that real lesbians mostly don't look like porn stars. They hate gay men, because they dont understand us, and assume we all are like Jack from will & grace, so when movies like Brokeback mountain come out and show gay men aren't all glamoured up cher fans, they get angry because they think its not true and dont want us to be like them [average hard working people]. The women are disgusted by how gay men act, they dont think we are masculine enough, and they think lesbians are too masculine. Then there are the people who don't think homosexuality is real, even though we get hurt for are feelings...oh yes bring on the pain i want to be laughed at, kicked at, and hurt for my "made up" lifestyle. What do gays really want? I can't speak for every gay person but this is what i want : I want to be able to walk down the street without being looked at, pointed at, laughed at, threatoned etc... I want my love for someone to be recognized, I want to be my work to be acklowledged as a person thing, not a gay thing. I don't need a fancy dancy wedding, really I just want to get the same benefits as everyone else. Its not like itll hurt anyone, unless they chose for it to hurt them.

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[BooZker 0]

You said everything that is to be said. Thank you. And i didn't mean to fight for you, but to tell everyone about the possibilte

[gaea 0]

now the idiot who got it taken out of the pledge is trying to get that taken off...

Really? Hah, that's halarious. Though I didn't really understand the whole contravoursy over removing it from the pledge of allegance--as it wasn't even in the origonal version. It was added in sometime in the sixties (or maybe very late 50s...I forget). Ask your parents if you wern't alive for it. Funny how people can ignore the obvious when it doesn't go along with what they want to believe.

Sure straight people try to help, and stick up for us but sometimes they go overboard and make us seem like we cannot fight our own fight.

I'm sorry it feels that way. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I feel obligated as a caring human being to fight for equality for everyone. This isn't just limited to issues of sexuality, but also race, gender, faith, personal life styles, country, and ecconomic groups. It's hard for me to see how people can applicate for equality for some people and then ignore other whole groups. It all seems interconnected to me.
Edited May 2, 2006 by gaea (see edit history)

[Moolkye 0]

Well, as aked, I will throw in my two cents.Gay relationships are wrong. And for one simple reason. Existance. No other creatures express gay love. Humans chose to express it based upon a strong feeling for someone of the same sex. A misconstrued feeling. If we allow gay relationships to grow, then there will be no human species. There will be no children conceived out of love. they will be conceived out of pure existance and that is it. Man and woman were created to survive and survive alone. If you want to argue Evolution, we had a desire to survive. And order to do that we had to procreate. That means having children. Creating a family and taking care of that family so that they can survive. Along with that developed parental love. hence the creation of children based out of love.Gay relationships are based on false feelings. Maybe an feeling that they can not be loved right by someone of the opposite sex. Regardless, it is false.Creation, Man and woman created of God, states the Gay relationships and marriage are wrong. In genesis, God said Let man and woman become one flesh and one spirit. Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Become one flesh. Meaning they were to be together and have children.A gay marriage could not have children if adoption were not around. Or They would have sex with someone of the opposite sex just to have a child.I am not saying the gay people are not human or are not nice people or anythign like that. I am not saying that they can not make good parents. What I am saying is, that for the sake of mankinds survival, it is wrong, emotionally and physically.My Opinion, God's Word, and Evolution's solution!

[Goosestaf 0]

No other creatures express gay love.

rubbish. . . .dogs and other animals hump other males and anythign else that moves for that mind. . .

Creation, Man and woman created of God, states the Gay relationships and marriage are wrong. In genesis, God said Let man and woman become one flesh and one spirit. Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Become one flesh. Meaning they were to be together and have children.

they asked for NO RELIGION in this thread.
do yourself a favour and actually read what previous people have said, OR AT LEAST the first post. . . .

My opinion if they say they love each, let them marry in a place which approves it.
The obvious counter to this is someone saying, "ooo well sum1 can love an aniamal or object, does that mean they shud be allowed to marry it?"
simple answer is no. . . two people must love each other.

Why can't some people just stop being scared of what is differernt. . . . and not be so ignorant

[Sprnknwn 0]

Well, I don?t know how people can be so simple just thinking that the world turns around their beliefs and lack of experiences.Of course animals have homosexual tendencies. If you deny this, then your "facts" aren?t worth at all. You must be blind.If you say that gay love is a false feeling without having experimented it, another person can say that God doesn?t exist because he hasn?t see him. Well, in fact the latter afirmation seems to be more accurate and scientific. So... is every relationship between a man and a woman due to "real feelings"? Don?t think so. Gay people can feel love and also sexual attraction, just like any other hetero couple.

[PmH 0]

It really depends on whether or not homosexuality is a psychological symptom that develops because of one's environment, or genetically caused.If it is a pyschological then encouraing marriage will encourage more homosexuality, which may cause many heterosexuals to turn homosexual. However, if this is indeed caused by genetics then there is nothing we can do, so why not allow marriages. The only problem with marriages, that I see, is that it promotes homosexuality.The question here is do you want to promote homosexuality?