Does God Exist?

[lorenza pietersen 0]

Hello everyone,

Many people do not believe in in God anymore. There religion became 'Darwinism', hanging on the evolution theory, thinking that it is based on science.
Now I would like to turn the situation, proving the existance of God by using the Quran and starting with this funny but a serious video of an ex-priest. So take a look and have pleasure.

Click here to see the video 'Science proves Quran is from Allah' from Yusuf Estes

Yusuf who..???
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/


Lorenza

[iGuest 3]

As a former Muslim, my current belief is that all the so-called scientific proofs of Quran being a Divine revelation are either fake, misleading, or at least mistaken. And the same goes for every other religion I've come in contact with till this time.But aside from that, even though I believe the poster has an agenda which he/she is trying to apply here (and I have nothing against that, really ), I'll answer the subject question...As an agnostic, I don't know whether a god exists or not. I believe that the human mind at this time is not capable of reaching a definite conclusion regarding this matter, either intellectually, philosophically, or scientifically. Every time I have a discussion with a believer in the existence OR non-existence of a god, I find critical flaws in the logic used, which strengthens my aforementioned belief.This is my quick, to-the-point answer to the question posted. I might come back for a detailed discussion if this subject gets heated up .Cheers.

[cyborgxxi 0]

Personally I think God does exist but I know many people who would disagree, if not extremely strongly, with me. I go to an international school in Thailand and as such there are some kids in my school who say they don't believe that there is a God. I have one friend in particular who will use any argument that comes to mind to argue against the fact that there is anything remotely similar to a God.

I think the first thing we need to do is define the word GOD.

God:

1. the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe. 2. the Supreme Being considered with reference to a particular attribute: the God of Islam.
3. (lowercase) one of several deities, esp. a male deity, presiding over some portion of worldly affairs.
4. (often lowercase) a supreme being according to some particular conception: the god of mercy.
5. Christian Science. the Supreme Being, understood as Life, Truth, Love, Mind, Soul, Spirit, Principle.

from http://www.dictionary.com/browse/god

I have heard many arguments for and against the existance of a God and both for and against have some good arguments and some totally bogus junk. Some arguments leave you with your jaw hanging down going what? and others make you laugh they're so pathetic. However I will refrain from going into too much detail right now for lack of time. However, I think along the same lines as tamer3kz, if this subject starts gaining some speed I might post some more.

cyborgxxi

[sekhar 0]

Hello everyone,Personally I do not believe in in God anymore. If he exists. Show me the proof. In this 21st Century dont think like a fools.Sorry if i hurts anybody.

[demolaynyc 0]

I believe that God truly exists. If you ask yourself these questions: If the universe did start from a spec of dust, maybe even smaller, then where did it come from? If all living things did evolve from simple single-celled organisms, then how come there still are single-celled organisms lying around? Now you may counter that with a question similar to this: If there is God, then where did he come from? Well, the answer to that is that God is the beginning and the end--He is the Alpha and Omega.God's thoughts cannot be read by anyone, not because he doesn't exist but because his "mind" if i may call it that is way too big for us to understand with our little brains. It's just like a man trying to communicate with an ant--it's impossible. That's why God created the Word, the Bible. This bible is a compilation of stories and messages by prophets. But ask yourself this: how can all the books in the bible flow so smoothly altogether when each one were created by different people, during different time periods from different places. Some haven't met each other, yet they all share the same ideas and beliefs.

Edited September 17, 2006 by demolaynyc (see edit history)

[pyost 0]

It really depends on what kind of person you are, as well as how you were raised, where you live etc.For example, I live in Serbia (Orthodox church), but here we don't have a "strong" connection with God. Also, my parents are atheists, so I was raised in a "no God" area. But neither of those have as much influence as the third thing - which is science.Since I'm all about science () I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe there is something that controls us all - especially if there is no proof. Thank you, but I'd rather stick to the Big Bang theory and Chrales Darwin's ideas...

[Mafamba Team 0]

Personally I think God does exist but I know many people who would disagree, if not extremely strongly, with me. I go to an international school in Thailand and as such there are some kids in my school who say they don't believe that there is a God. I have one friend in particular who will use any argument that comes to mind to argue against the fact that there is anything remotely similar to a God.
I think the first thing we need to do is define the word GOD.

God:


from http://www.dictionary.com/browse/god

I have heard many arguments for and against the existance of a God and both for and against have some good arguments and some totally bogus junk. Some arguments leave you with your jaw hanging down going what? and others make you laugh they're so pathetic. However I will refrain from going into too much detail right now for lack of time. However, I think along the same lines as tamer3kz, if this subject starts gaining some speed I might post some more.

cyborgxxi

God of ?"Islam"?.

Muslims believe there is only one God, a God for all, which is Allah, and Allah is just an Arabic word for God, not a particular God to their religion.

[kgd2006 0]

I dont know what I exactly believe in, but I like to believe that their is something out there that is helping me through life. Because Im pretty sure people have experienced certain situations or events that was life threatening and you couldnt believe that you walked away from it unscarred. For example, I have a friend that was racing down a moutain, he was not able to handle this one turn and drove off the cliff and rolled his car down the hill 2 times and totalled his car, but he walked away from it without a scratch. Could it be a god that is looking over him saying that it is not yet his time? Or could he just be lucky?Its those type of events that makes me believe that their is a being out there that is looking over us. Another example would be, me for one, I was driving on the freeway behind this one truck, it had a lot of stuff on the back. Out of no where a metal sheet came flying in my windshield point first. I was not able to switch lanes because there were cars on both sides of me, but before the metal sheet could come flying straight into my windshield it flew downwards and then underneath my car. I was surprised because with the speed and the distance I was away from that truck in front of me, it was surely supposed to hit straight into my windshield. I for one was lucky.There are probably more incidents like these that I am giving examples of, but from that I think there is something out there that is watching over us, and helping us avoid harm. Would it be "God" I dont know but I know that if some people cant walk away from getting struck by lighting and other outrageous events there must be something supernatural that is interfereing during that event to help that individual.

[Quatrux 4]

I am not a religious person, I just like to stay neutral, even though I believe in some kind of a "creator", but creator of what? Definitely not humans, because that in some way is proved by science.. but nevertheless I think that now God is only our imagination, no one has prove he exists, we just believe in something we created our selfs, we even created "love" and "fate".. we created numbers and mathematics, we created ..1010 1000 0001.. we agreed on what we created. So in some way, we are the "creators" but we, the creators do not know who created us, the galaxy, the universe.. so we believe in theories which were created by us..In some way, I believe that the word God stands for something we don't know, for example in the ancient Greece, we didn't know why lightning appeared, so we created a God of lightning, it is logical, we don't know what is the last number in the mathematics, so we have an object -8 +8 just the letter 8 is horizontal, not vertical. We don't know yet, but everything is changing with time, we know more and more and maybe we one day will reach a such knowledge that we will reach the God and our mission will be over, maybe.. We have a wide imagination and can think of a lot of things.. People used to believe that the World is flat, so we have different theories what kind of form the universe is, but maybe the future people will be laughing from us, because they will know it.On this subject no one is right, no one is false, it is a lifestyle, if you believe it or not, I can create my own religion and can find people which will believe it, in some way the Church, Christians is a sect having the most members, same for any other religion. But this guy is right in some way, especially people start to believe in God when something bad happens, like you are near death. Humans are not perfect and I think there is nothing perfect.

[xboxrulz1405241485 0]

As an agnostic myself, I don't know if god exist because there's currently NO proof of him or her anywhere.However, religious people claim there were, but I'm thinking, what's the proof to back it up.Furthermore, the subject of is there god or not is very sensitive to regions like North America.xboxrulz

[Grafitti 0]

God is simply the most logical explanation for everything. Take evolution, for example. It's not that evolution is scientific. Evolution is a religion, just like Creationism. Both of them, nobody was there to see it, so we don't know for sure. But the creation/God theory makes a lot more sense scientifically than the big bang. That's not necessarily addressing the full topic of belief in God, but i think it can be applied to a lot of these arguments.

[yeh 0]

God is simply the most logical explanation for everything. Take evolution, for example. It's not that evolution is scientific. Evolution is a religion, just like Creationism.

Err... I disagreed with what Graffiti is saying. Evolution is NOT a religion, and evolution CANNOT be compared to creationism. Unless you are saying biology is not a science. Evolution is one of the bedrock of biology. Lots of research in biology dealing with DNA has got to do with the evolution theory.


Actually, the people advocating that god exists are religious people. And most religious people belong to a faith, that is they are either Christians, Muslims, Jewish, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. Very few of them actually subscribe to multi faiths, that is they are both Muslims, Christians, Buddhists and Hindus at the same time, for example. So actually, whether god exists or not does not help them in their cause because they can't prove that their god exists and not others. Or for that matter, whether gods exist since there are some faith, like during the ancient Greece that have multiple gods. Of course, not everyone sees this logic. I have tonnes of friends that bought into the whole argument of the existence of god from some religious people and converted into their religion, saying god existed without realizing that other faiths proclaim the existence of god/gods as well. So which faith actually knows the truth? And should we use the word god or gods?

[Grafitti 0]

Err... I disagreed with what Graffiti is saying. Evolution is NOT a religion, and evolution CANNOT be compared to creationism. Unless you are saying biology is not a science. Evolution is one of the bedrock of biology. Lots of research in biology dealing with DNA has got to do with the evolution theory.

Not really. If you're going to argue that evolution is science, then you've got to admit that creationism is a science as well. You've got two alternative theories to pick from. While creation, God making the world and all that in 6 days, might sound a bit far-fetched, and incomprehensible, evolution is even more so. At least if we believe that God created the world, then you just have to believe that he created, say, the animals, like snap. Ok, it's not within our mental scope to try to unravel that, but if you consider the alternative, that this primordial ooze became alive, and morphed into everything we see today, isn't THAT also stretching the imagination? Take appendages, for example. --bird wings. You say that it took millions of years for birds to develop wings, feathers, hollow bones, muscular dynamics for flying, and a whole lot more. The only reason they would grow these wings is if they were useful right away. But no. During this whole growth process, those wings were useless. So the evolutionary process would have reversed itself. One generation of birds decides it wants wings, then a couple generations later the bird with these stubs wonders what they're for, and decides it doesn't want them anymore. And we seesaw back and forth, ad infinitum. isn't it amazing how , of all those millions of years, and billions of birds that lived over those supposed millions of years, there are no tranistional fossils?
The Darwinian process, by which i refer to an apparent contradiction of the second law of thermodynamics, only works under controlled circumstances, in laboratories. Assuming that our world was formed through evolution, that definitely was not a controlled environment. As soon as that primitive life form would have evolved, it would have died.

Actually, the people advocating that god exists are religious people.

How does that define a point? I mean, isn't the definition of an atheist someone who advocates that God doesn't exist.

And most religious people belong to a faith, that is they are either Christians, Muslims, Jewish, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. Very few of them actually subscribe to multi faiths, that is they are both Muslims, Christians, Buddhists and Hindus at the same time, for example. So actually, whether god exists or not does not help them in their cause because they can't prove that their god exists and not others. Or for that matter, whether gods exist since there are some faith, like during the ancient Greece that have multiple gods. Of course, not everyone sees this logic. I have tonnes of friends that bought into the whole argument of the existence of god from some religious people and converted into their religion, saying god existed without realizing that other faiths proclaim the existence of god/gods as well. So which faith actually knows the truth? And should we use the word god or gods?

To know whether your religion or lack of it was the right one or not, you'll pretty much have to wait until you die, and then I suppose we'll see who was right. Just to point out something, the Christians, Jews, and Muslims, in spite of all their differences, in essence believe in the same God. On the other hand we have other religions that have several to thousands of different gods. But no matter what people's religion, people inside are the same anywhere you go, and well, my personal belief is that there is a God, a higher being, by whatever name you want to call him, and to God, it doesn't matter whether you called him Jehovah or Allah or what have you. If your heart was in the right place, you sincerely believed, even if you were a little off, He counts it as belief and acceptance of Him, so you're pretty safe. Of course if you take the humanist route, of which i'm sure there are a lot of here, and you believe there is no higher power, no divine being, that there's no afterlife, that no matter how you live your life here, there no accountability in the afterlife, there we have the beginning of the breakdown of civilized society. Because while maybe some still choose to live their lives doing their best to help others, there will be those who succumb to man's innate nature, which is to do evil. And those are the ones that will ruin it for everyone else. That's not to say that religion is totally innocent. People kill each other in the name of God. The sad thing is that, while there are some who are misguided and actually believe they're doing their God a service by killing the infidels, where they're Muslims killing Americans, or Americans bombing Muslims, or Jews killings Palestinians, the other way around, etc, religion is many times simply used as a cover for greed, which is the basic reason for war. The Christian crusades against the Muslims, America destroying Iraq, etc, and religion is left to take the rap every time.

[Arbitrary 0]

Many people do not believe in in God anymore. There religion became 'Darwinism', hanging on the evolution theory, thinking that it is based on science.Now I would like to turn the situation, proving the existance of God by using the Quran and starting with this funny but a serious video of an ex-priest. So take a look and have pleasure.

Not to be insulting or anything, but I must say that mentioning in a forum religion is near pointless. Sure, at Xisto you were lucky every person who posted here was respectful, but I doubt that would be the case elsewhere. Religion is about what people believe, and insulting other people's beliefs (as you are blatantly doing here by claiming that believing in science is pointless) isn't so great. Just live and let live. At the end of the day, a single forum post isn't going to change anyone's opinion at all, but might incite a good amount of flame wars. God is one of those super sensitive topics....

As for me, I don't care if God exists, and I'm basically agnostic. If it turns out he/she/it exists, then great. Otherwise, no biggies. If I can't see him/her, I'm going to just ignore him/her until I can.

Not really. If you're going to argue that evolution is science, then you've got to admit that creationism is a science as well. You've got two alternative theories to pick from. While creation, God making the world and all that in 6 days, might sound a bit far-fetched, and incomprehensible, evolution is even more so. At least if we believe that God created the world, then you just have to believe that he created, say, the animals, like snap. Ok, it's not within our mental scope to try to unravel that, but if you consider the alternative, that this primordial ooze became alive, and morphed into everything we see today, isn't THAT also stretching the imagination? Take appendages, for example. --bird wings. You say that it took millions of years for birds to develop wings, feathers, hollow bones, muscular dynamics for flying, and a whole lot more. The only reason they would grow these wings is if they were useful right away. But no. During this whole growth process, those wings were useless. So the evolutionary process would have reversed itself. One generation of birds decides it wants wings, then a couple generations later the bird with these stubs wonders what they're for, and decides it doesn't want them anymore. And we seesaw back and forth, ad infinitum. isn't it amazing how , of all those millions of years, and billions of birds that lived over those supposed millions of years, there are no tranistional fossils?

Oh, they've found some proof for that recently, it was about crocodile fossils, I believe. But getting to my main point--why does it matter if it's a science or not? It's simply another belief. Why can't we just all be respectful of each other's belief's and quit complaining that one is right and the other is wrong? Neither side currently has enough proof to back themselves up, so just forget about convincing others. And by the way, I'd have to say that Darwin's theory is (currently, anyway), more rational than the creationist's theory. So you saying that it's "also stretching the imagination" is only true for you. It doesn't apply to everyone else, so that's not a valid argument. Edited September 20, 2006 by Arbitrary (see edit history)

[Grafitti 0]

Oh, they've found some proof for that recently, it was about crocodile fossils, I believe. But getting to my main point--why does it matter if it's a science or not? It's simply another belief. Why can't we just all be respectful of each other's belief's and quit complaining that one is right and the other is wrong? Neither side currently has enough proof to back themselves up, so just forget about convincing others. And by the way, I'd have to say that Darwin's theory is (currently, anyway), more rational than the creationist's theory. So you saying that it's "also stretching the imagination" is only true for you. It doesn't apply to everyone else, so that's not a valid argument.

That's the point i was trying to make. It's simply another belief, and ok, stretching the imagination might consist of creationism for one person, and evolution for another. So while i back the creation theory, I'm happy to respect other people's beliefs as well. Knowing that either side won't back down, it's more of a debating sport. I hadn't meant to give the impression i was flaming anyone.