Why I Don't Believe In God g0d

[amirborna 0]

Since our debate in the other thread was nice, I decided to type this now to show you why I don't believe in God. I'd be happy to debate over any of these subjects

 

 

 

Why I don't believe in God.

Version 1

By Amir B. K.

Birth Date: 08/21/91

Written On: June 6, 2008

[DISCLAIMER]

This is not an attack on any religeon. This is not made to convert Theists to Athiests.

?This is made for agnostics who don’t know what to believe, and for people who are

?bored to read an interesting topic. I state reasons to why I don’t believe in God.?

What I have written below is my best attempt to keep FACT. If you believe in God,?

You better read carefully. Don’t just ignore it.

I wrote all of this. Some ideas are from various videos of “InfidelGuy” on http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/.

I recommend you watch all of his videos if you question religion. His videos are all great.

 

 

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1. Introduction.

2. Why I don’t believe

3. God and his emotions / Inconsistency of the Adam and Eve Story

4. FREEWILL: The only answer you have

5. Noah’s Arch

6. Thanking God In Sports

7. THANK GOD! PRAISE JESUS!

8. The Devil: Satan

9. Punishment: HELL

10. Towards Muslims: Praying 5 times a day

11. So you have a Religion…

12. Lets say I’m wrong

 

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1

Introduction:

 

Hi. My name is Amir. I was originally born a Muslim, with a Non-Religious mother

?and father. They both believed in God, but didn’t do the praying 5 times a day.?

I am 17 years old, and live in Houston, Texas. During the age of 14, I started?

asking questions (to myself) about God, and the things that sometimes did not make sense.?

 

Then I started to read the bible, and understood how much it did not make sense.

?A lot of the times the bible contradicts itself, and a lot of the things are metaphorically?

written. I see how much of the bible is about war, when God is all about good, love, and perfection.

 

Then I started to understand that I’ve never seen God, Talked to God, Never heard

?God talking to me, and the almighty perfect God, doesn’t all add up.

 

 

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Why I don’t believe.

 

The all-knowing God, who knows Past, Present, and Future, has emotions. How can that

?be? Emotion is how you feel and respond to something that just happened. How can a?

God, who is all perfect in every-way beyond human comprehension, have emotion??

 

Adam and Eve:

After I read this, I couldn’t believe how incredibly ignorant people are to believe in this.

?Eve ate the apple after clear instruction by God not to. So she did, and was sent to hell.

 

This just doesn’t add up. Who created the tree? Why was the tree there in the first place??

Why put the apple there if you don’t want Eve to eat it?

 

Almost all Christians say, “It is a test.”?

What is to test about? God is all knowing; he knows what will happen, so why test it??

Then I hear all types of arguments such as God is trying to have fun…God still wants

?to test…God just wants to do it.

No, No, and NO! There is no testing when you already know what will happen.?

The point of testing is to make sure the matter in which you are testing on works.?

You don’t test something when you’re perfect. It is exactly the way you wanted it

?to be, and only that. God cannot test something if he is perfect in every way.?

 

This is like taking my two-year-old brother to the kitchen, where there is a bowl of?

all different types of candy laying in the middle of the kitchen. He becomes excited

?and his mouth waters when he sees the bowl of candy. And then lets say I clearly

?tell him, “Don’t Eat The Candy!” even though I know 100% that he will! Then I walk

?away and hide, peeking in the corner of the room, and see him take the candy and

?eat it. Then I scream and jump up in anger, infuriated at my 2-year-old brother?

eating the candy, when I 100% knew it was going to happen. This is crazy. No sane

?human acts like this.

Another example is I turning the stove on Very High. Wait 5 minutes and see it is red,

?knowing it is HOT!Then I take my finger, KNOWING IT IS BURNING

?HOT AND KNOWING I WILL BE IN PAIN ON CONTACT, take my hand and place it on?

the stove. Then I scream in agony as my hands burn in pain and quickly pull my hand?

away. Then I get ANGRY of the pain on my hand!

 

Yes I know those two examples are ridiculous actions from a non-perfect human!?

But even more ridiculous is an ALL PERFECT and ALL KNOWING God to commit

?similar acts! Makes no sense at all.

 

 

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GOD AND HIS EMOTIONS

You hear all sorts of stories in the bible when God gets mad, surprised, and happy.

?Yet, this is not possible, because an all-knowing God cannot get happy at something

?he knows will already happen.

 

God CANNOT get angry if a human being commits a sin. Why? God is the creator of?

everything right? God created the human, knowing who, what, when, where, why, and

?how the human does everything from the millisecond he is born, to the millisecond he is dead.?

 

Let’s say today is your birthday and you WILL open your presents at night. It’s noon?

right now and your Mom tells you what you got for your birthday. Lets say you got

?a Playsation 3. The moment she says it, you are screaming with joy. You know have

?the knowledge of what will happen in the future. You now KNOW that in a X numbe

r of hours, you will open a package which contains a PS3. You have already used your

?excited and surprised emotion on receiving a Playstation 3 for your birthday.?

 

Now you have the package in your hand. You already know there is a PS3 in it. You’re

?emotion is anxiety because you can’t wait to play it. When you open it you will not be?

surprised, because you already know it is a Playstation 3.?

-Now I will use an example with God.

 

God today wants to create a human. God chooses the traits and how he will look, act,

?and everything to create the human. God chooses the Boys name to Inevitably be?

John. So John will have blonde hair, be 6’ 5”, and will be good at math. GOD NOW?

WILL MAKE JOHN JOIN THE CRIP GANG AT THE AGE OF 15 AND KILL A BLOOD.

?God already knows this will happen when it happens; therefore there is no emotion

?when it happens. Only thing that happens is ok it happened, even though God already knows it’ll happen.

?

 

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FREEWILL: The only answer you have

This paragraph below is my attempt at proving Free-Will is false

 

To God, there is no such thing as freewill. Christians say humans have freewill

?to do what they want, and live life how they want. This may be true, but that?

doesn’t stop God from already knowing what you will do. That doesn’t stop?

God from already knowing what you WILL-DO (FUTURE TENSE) before he

?creates you. That doesn’t stop god from knowing what you WILL-DO when

?you die. When God creates you, he knows what you will do, and there is

?nothing you can say about that.

 

GOD CANNOT, NOT KNOW WHAT YOU WILL DO. This one sentence

?proves Free-Will wrong. God is ALL-KNOWING. Not sometimes, not ‘Not always’,?

but ALWAYS. God knows what you will do tomorrow, in 5 minutes, and when

?you die. It may be your choice, but GOD KNOWS YOU WILL DO IT. GOD

?CREATED YOU, TO DO THAT VERY THING YOU WANT TO DO.

 

Now lets talk more about free will. I know the most faithful and religious

?Christians in this forum have atleast, STOLEN ONCE, LIED ONCE,?

AND CURSED ONCEDon’t disapprove me, you’ve all done it.?

 

Now let me ask you this…. WHY DID YOU DO IT? YOU BELIEVE IN GOD,

?KNOW HE IS WATCHING, AND KNOW HE IS EVERYWHERE. YET YOU

?STILL FELT LIKE DOING THE SIN THAT YOU DID INFRONT OF GOD.

?This goes to show you will believe in God WHEN YOU WANT TO.

 

I promise you 99.99% of you Christians will without thinking have sex

?with (YOUR MOST DEEPEST DESIRED WOMEN IN THE WORLD GOES HERE)!

?You will not care that you are not married, you will not care that

?[iF SHE IS UNDERAGED], you will not care that [iF SHE IS ALREADY MARRIED],?

you will not care that [iF YOU ARE ALREADY MARRIED], and you certainly?

will not care that God is always looking. Yet you feel like it is OKAY to do it.?

Your belief, faith, and respect of God IS DEMOLISHED So you can commit?

your sinful act.

 

You will believe in God when you want, but when it comes to money or sex,

?you will do whatever you want.

 

 

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NOAH’S ARCH

I personally think this is one of the most stupid things I have ever read.

Supposedly God appoints Noah to get 2 of every living thing on this planet (MALE AND FEMALE)?

and put them on a giant ship that Noah has to create himself.

 

Let me tell you all the reasons why this makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

 

So you’re telling me, that God, the all-loving father, will create a flood (he creates everything)?

and destroy every living thing, guilty or non guilty of a harmful act, and leave only those?

lucky two of every animal in the world to be chosen by an imperfect human to live?

 

First of all, what about all the nice people who are going to die? What about all?

the non-guilty people who are innocent of sinful acts? What about the virgin girls?

who have not have sex yet? What about the babies? What about the hardworking?

men who try to make a living every-day to support their family? What about all the

?BILLIONS of other species in the world who have not done anything? Are you honestly going to believe this?

 

Not only that, but how are you going to stop the animals from eating each other?

?How are you going to fit a BLUE WHALE into the ship? How are you going to catch

?the microscopic creatures that are just being discovered today with the newly?

created technology of today? It is IMPOSSIBLE for a man to do this task

?by himself, without the help of a supernatural such as God. PERIOD.[/b]

 

 

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Thanking God in sports

For some reason, almost all sports players think that God has or will help them

?in the sport they have or will contend in.

 

Imagine a boxing game. The boxer before the fight asks God to lend him the

?power and courage and vitality to fight. The fighter is being selfish. The fighter

?is basically asking God, “God, please help me cream this guys face and beat him?

until he cannot get up anymore.”

 

Are you serious? With the knowledge of people dying everyday from hunger,

?disease, and war, you’re going to ask God to help you fight? Please.

 

 

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Thank God! Praise Jesus!

 

You all have said it. THANK GOD! PRAISE JESUS! HALELUYAH!?

But then, when something bad happens…OH IT WAS JUST AN ACCIDENT!

?OH IT WAS JUST A QUINCIDANCE!

 

Let’s say your mother has breast cancer. I’m sure if she is cured you will say

?“THANK GOD”. I’m sure if she dies you WON’T say “GOD DID IT![/b]

 

WHY IS THIS?

 

First of all, why would God give a human being Cancer? I thought hell was

?punishment, and you living on earth a test? Why would God even interfere

?if he were testing? If you take the SAT in high school, it is a GRAND test to

?see what you have learned in school. You are not allowed any help. If help?

is granted, then it is not a test. This is why you get no help, because it is a

?full test to see what you can do.

 

Therefore, if you say you have free-will, and you living on this earth with?

God having no control over what you do because it is a test completely

?null out “THANK GOD” or “Miracles” all together.

 

But lets say God does interfere.

Why would an all-loving, ALL GOOD father give his own son CANCER??

Why would an all loving and all good father put burning pain as if he was in hell? GOD WOULDN’T.

 

 

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The Devil: Satan

 

The devil is bad. 666 is the number that represents Satan.

 

I don’t know much about the devil and I may be wrong as I do not

?care to know about Him, but I will try to say what I know. This information

?may be wrong but the general Idea is true.

 

Supposedly Satan was a good angel who disagreed with God or something

?in Heaven, and God sent Satan to hell. Then Satan did all the things of whatever he did, I don’t know.

 

But I can say this though…

 

Back to the God knows everything past present and future.

GOD CREATED THAT ANGEL TO INEVITABLY DO WRONG AND FALL TO HELL.

?IN OTHER WORDS, GOD PURPOSEDLY CREATED THE DEVIL TO DO WHAT HE DOES.?

 

Now…Why would an ALL-POWERFUL, ALL-LOVING, AND ALL KNOWING FATHER

?create such a thing? GOD HAS CONTROL OF EVERYTHING, GOD IS ABOVE ALL.?

THERE IS NOTHING GOD CANNOT DO. GOD IS CAPABLE OF COMMITING ANY FEAT,

?INCLUDING TURNING SATAN GOOD WITHOUT EVEN TRYING.

 

 

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PUNISHMENT. HELL

 

The bible explains God as an All-Loving and All-Powerful Creator. A Father.?

The ultimate Good. The Source of Light.?

BUT YET, GOD CREATED HELL. GOD PUNISHES.

You see, why punish? Why let something bad happen and then punish for it

?later? Why let someone steal something, why let someone have sex before

?marriage, WHY LET SOMEONE KILL SOMEONE AND THENNNNNN PUNISH THEM FOR IT??

 

An all-loving, all-perfect, all-grand father would NEVER do that. An all-loving

?father would prevent crime, and then everybody would live in peace, because

?everybody is loved by their creator, GOD.

 

This is sort of like this scenario.

 

There is a madman with an AK-47 assault rifle running wild in the streets. Police?

are called (GOD IN THIS STORY) to come and stop it (AS PEOPLE WOULD PRAY?

TO GOD TO BE SAFE AND/OR NOBODY DIE) and the police arrive. The Police stay

?in the car and let the madman kill everybody.?

 

And so the madman kills as many people as he can until he runs out of ammunition.

?Then the madman drops his gun and starts running. The police follow him everywhere he goes.?

 

30 Years pass, and police are on him every second. Letting him do whatever he

?wants. He kills 82,000 more people.

The madman is now 67 years old. He is lying sick in his bed. Police are there and are watching him.

?The madman takes his last breathe and dies.

 

AS SOON AS THIS HAPPENS, THE POLICE ALL JUMP ON HIM, HANDCUFF HIM,?

PUT HIM IN HIS CAR AND HIM OFF TO JAIL.

 

EVEN THOUGH THOSE 82,000 + PEOPLE HAVE INNOCENTLY LOST THEIR LIFE AND

?SUFFEREd, THE GUY IS BEING PUNISHED NOW, WHEN HE COULD HAVE JUST BEEN?

ARRESTED BEFORE THOSE 82,000+ PEOPLE DIED!

 

This is basically what God is doing. Let crime happen, and then punish for it later.?

An all-perfect God would never do that.

 

 

 

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Towards Muslims: Praying 5 Times a Day.

 

Religious Muslims pray 5 times a day. The Nonreligious Muslims do not. This is?

another example of believing in God when you want to.

So they pray 5 times a Day to God.

 

The prayer is in Arabic. But yet less than 50% of all Muslims are Arabic. What

?does that mean? They are just reciting something they memorized to their supposed?

God, when they have absolutely no idea of what they are saying.?

 

First of all, may I ask, “WHY DO YOU PRAY TO YOUR GOD 5 TIMES A DAY?”

 

How come the Christians don’t pray 5 times a day? How come the Jews, Catholics,

?or other religions don’t need to pray 5 times a day? You think reciting the same?

chant over and over again is actually praying?

 

Almost all Muslims pray because *It’s right, or *Everyone else does it, or *Just

?because. They are missing out the point. You don’t thank God by forcing yourself

?to do it five times a day.?

 

God is perfect and doesn’t need thanking. But if you want to show your appreciation,?

you don’t think Millions upon Millions of Muslims praying 5 times a day, reciting the?

same chant over and over again gets boring??

 

Seriously, if you want to thank God, you do it because you want to, not force?

yourself to do it because It’s part of your religion. “OH MY GOD I’m GANNA BE LATE IT’S ALMOST TIME TO PRAY!!”

 

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Fasting.

Wow. Sorry. I was Muslim, and even though I wasn’t always agnostic, I NEVER FASTED.

 

The reason for fasting is to primarily clear your system and to be reminding of

?the poor and hungry feel. This is really stupid. I honestly can say this and not opinionize it.

 

First of all, an all perfect all loving God will not create a world with poor, suffering,?

and hungry people. And to think he would want the rich to feel how they poor and

?hungry feel is just pathetic. I usually don’t curse but it’s *BLEEP*ING pathetic. It’s a new level of stupidity.

 

Instead of having a month of fasting, why not have a month of donating to the poor??

Why not do some charity work or something like that? Instead you go to outrageous heights of religion. Think people.

 

 

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So you have a Religion…

 

To all of you with Religions. What religion are you? Jewish? Catholic? Muslim? Christian?

 

I’m sure you were born into a family who has the same religion as you.

But…have you ever read the bibles of other religions? Have you ever studied?

Catholicism? Have you ever read the Koran? Torah? Bible??

 

Most people, who have a religion, have not read up on other religions.?

Almost all religions say, “If you don’t believe, you’re going to Hell.”

So which is right? If you’re a Muslim and don’t believe in Jesus, does that mean?

you’re going to hell? If you’re a Christian, and don’t believe in Mohammed are

?you going to hell? How about Bhudda? How about the Greek mythology Gods?

?If you don’t believe in Zeus are you going to Hell to chill with Hades?

 

You people have to think about this. Don’t just say “NO”

 

Lets say you are Homosexual. You know you were born that way. It’s not your

?choice, and you didn’t ‘choose’ to be gay. You are just gay.?

Most homophobic people don’t understand this. Just like you are not attracted to

?men, and see a hot peace of *bottom* and say “damn”, they see a female and are no

t attracted, and see a man and go “Wow.

 

Why is it that God hates Homosexuals? This is why the Bible is inconsistent. God?

cannot make mistakes. God cannot make his creation wrong. God cannot not know what his creation will do.?

Religion causes discrimination. Religion causes wars. Religion causes arguments. Religion does not make a person good.

 

Just because you are Atheist does not mean you are Evil. Just because you?

don’t believe in God doesn’t mean you promote evil.?

LIFE IS THE SAME. YOU JUST DON’T SPEND SUNDAYS GOING TO CHURCH

?CHANTING AND SINGING FOR NO APPARENT REASON. YOU DON’T STICK

?PAPERS INTO A WALL AND SWAY FOR HOURS CRYING. YOU DON’T PRAY?

5 TIMES A DAY. YOU DON’T GET DISCRIMINATED FOR BEING A “Jew”

 

This makes me laugh every time I think about it

A lot of Christians use “Jew” as an insult. Yet their own PROPHET JESUS?

was/is a Jew. What do you have to say about that? Mary Was a Jew. Jesus Was

?a Jew. Yet you are ignorant of that fact or choose to ignore it.?

 

 

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Lets say I’m wrong

Lets say I’m wrong and there really is a God. Do you honestly think God will send

?me to hell because I didn’t believe in him? If God is real what can go wrong? God

?created me to do exactly what I did. I’m not going on a murdering spree, I’m not

?promoting bad, and I’m not sinning.

 

Don’t get me wrong, If God was real and came in my presence, I will cry and

?bow down in submission. Until then, I will not believe in God.

 

God will understand why I do not believe, as in this essay I have posted nothing

?but sane reasons into which I do not believe in God.

 

And besides, If God really wanted to be believed in, He would just appear before?

us all and make this world good.

 

Think about it. A Perfect World. No crime. No drugs. No shooting. No terrorists. No war. No hunger. No poverty. No suffering. No ruler other than God. God will be anything and everything. That is a world of God. Open up your heart and honestly see all the wrong in this world. If there were a God, none of this pain would be existent.

 

 

Thank you for reading. Newer versions with more content will be coming soon.

Edited June 6, 2008 by amirborna (see edit history)

[mikeyboy63 0]

I know god(s) don't exist. We have detected all forms of matter in existence and god isn't made of any of them or we would have detected him. If there is a god(s), who created him? His mommy god and daddy god? Wouldn't the big bang destroy them? If not, why not? Because they're made of weakly interacting particles? If so, weakly interacting particles couldn't create the universe because they're WEAKLY INTERACTING particles!!If there is a god(s), and they continue to play cruel games with my species, I reject and condemn them. I am human and support my species!!If this god(s) wants me to worship him and be his slave for all eternity, I reject and condemn him. I will not be a slave for all eternity to any alien from outer space!! After all, isn't god an alien from outer space?If there is a god, nobody knows him. It's like millions of people who LOVED Elvis Presley, but how could they? They didn't know him! To live with him, to see that he was a drug addict, an abusive control freak, most people who claimed to love him would have hated him for who he truly was! What if god is an egotistical bore? How will billions of spirits serve him? Will we feed him? Wipe his rear end? Give him a pedicure? Billions of souls waiting in line for millions of years for their turn to give god a pedicure? How ridiculous is that? Or will we just sit around for trillions of years praying to him 5 times a day? 25 times a day? 2500 times a day? This sounds like hell!! I reject and condemn him!There is no god. It's a manmade fable.

[amirborna 0]

Look at the other thread I posted. No matter what you tell theists, they push the idea out of their head and try to say the fastest explanation that comes out of their heads.They say atheists are ignorant, and all these other analogies they call us. Yet they are the ones going to school (Church) listening to their teacher (pastor/priest I really don't care what it's called) brainwash them.Hey Christians, Jesus will save you all. Just keep waiting. Or you can kill yourself and go to Jesus faster.Churches all throughout history have been used as scams and ways to get money. You don't think they are doing it now? Jesus = Ripoff of 200 other prophets.Have a great day I hoped you enjoy reading my long story.And if you come back and still defend your religion, I really don't want to read it, but I think it's in your best interest to type your explanation as to why I am wrong just so you can never second guess your God.I know how it is to fear going to hell. Which is why you choose not to say maybe your wrong, which is why you do not question the existance of your God / Jesus, because all of your life you've been told you'll go to hell for doing it. I understand, keep believing.

[dwolters 0]

We have detected all forms of matter in existence and god isn't made of any of them or we would have detected him

Ok i don't believe in god. But the argument about us finding all matter is very laughable. Do you know how large this universe is?? Do you even know how many universes there are? How many planets are there? Have you ever heard of dark matter? We suspect it is there and makes up 99 % of the universe but can't detect it. Can we see whats smaller than a quark? We can't see all the micro-micro-micro-scopic stuff. or the macromacromacroscopic (see the universe from a large view, imagine being a trillion times bigger, so that our solar system would be microscopic) Who's to say our universe isn't just one cell of a massive sentient entity or a virus of a humongous turtle? hehe. Trust me we know about .0000001 % (if that) about the universe. I'm all for science, and have researched alot. But we are not even close to solving all the mysteries of the universe. Ask any physicist.
Anyway back to god: When I said I don't believe in god, i meant the christian religion. Or any modern religions for that matter. Christianity was made up less than 3,000 years ago. Almost all religions can be traced back to some point in time. This earth came along way before man did. And with man came religion.

In all animals, there is a survival instinct. Avoid death at all costs. From evolution of man, sprung "evolution" of this survival instinct. Let's take it one step further!! We're going to live forever!!! Riiiiight. What about every other form of life? Why don't they live forever? Because of a conscious mind? Have these christians ever been a dog, a cat, how bout a dolphin or an amoeba.

Well I guess we kind of live forever. No matter is ever destroyed, just turned into energy (according to common theory). So eventually we'll be energy! GREAT! Will we be sentient? Very doubtful. It could be. I think this is the basis of some hindu religions. Don't quote me on that though.

Ok...so here's where I stand! Ready for this?


I DON'T KNOW! And No one knows for sure. Why waste your time on faith? I'm pretty positive christians are wrong. If there was a god, he wouldn't be like christians say. And in the bible he changes his mind way too much. . So I say just live life to the fullest, and whatever happens, happens. But don't expect too much!

[amirborna 0]

Exactly. Back 3,000 years ago, when you looked at the sky, you didn't know what clouds were. You didn't know what thunder or rain was.And you know how people are. Always wanting to explain things.Oh that lightning is God being bad.Oh that rain is God cryingOh this period of darkness is our punishmentNever in history, well I'm not going to say never, has someone just said "We don't know". They always tried to come up with something even though they didn't know.Now if you say "God did it" Who'se going to disagree with you? "Ohh, yes! Brilliant Idea! God did it! God is great! God is wonderful""Hey son let me tell you about God""Hey Grandson let me tell you about god"

[Janissary 0]

The all-knowing God, who knows Past, Present, and Future, has emotions. How can that

 be? Emotion is how you feel and respond to something that just happened. How can a 

God, who is all perfect in every-way beyond human comprehension, have emotion? 

I think you are identifying the emotions wrong. And thinking with human terms, imagining a god with red face, jumping and cursing when it sees a sin In computer games, NPCs get angry, right? When you attack them, they attack back. OMG, AI has emotion? Well, actully not. Anyway, what Im trying to say, when you read god is mercifull, god loves its creation etc it has written like that because thats how we, humans can understand the God.

 

And about your examples of touching hot oven. Ive seen many times, children do things which bring them pain for %100 like touching oven

 

If there is no money around, there would be no stealing. Is that mean, everyone here is honest? How can human can know his/her limits and weakness if he/she wont be challange. How can we work on our bad habits, if we never chance to practice on it.

 

*These quotes are shorten, please read original post of the AmirBorna*

 

Freewill cant be real if God knows everything.

Why? Knowing something and forcing something to happen is different things. Cant you see? You know, modern science says if we can get enough info about an event we can accurelty know the outcome. Engineers do that all the time with closed systems. So, God created the universe. It has all the info needed. Like a father knows how his daughter will react to certain events. Does that mean father has a control over his daughter's freewill.

Yes, God knows what will you choose but not determine your choice.

 

You say you believe in God but you commit sins.

Example: You say you want to be get into a good school but you dont work hard. So you dont want to go good school?

Humans are flawed thats why God is mercifull. Just know the difference between commiting sin and rejecting something is sin.

 

NOAHS ARCH

1st of all, in that story. It's say human tribes became very ill-behaved. And people who are willing to give up their old ways are welcomed to the Arch. Now you can say, how can all the people on Earth can be bad. Well, why you think whole Earth. Do we know if human race got that huge numbers in age of Arch? (Im talking from a muslim point of view) Do we know if the whole Earth got flooded? And about babies dying. Yes, we muslims believe all humans born sinless so babies are innocent. And yes, their life-span has taken away from them to punish their fathers/mothers. We, muslims believe God doesnt always give bad things for punishmest. Like in case, baby lost something in false-life but gain something more in afterlife. And about animals, we muslims believe animals are soulless creatures created for special purpoues. So when their job is done, God can delete them.

 

Thanking God in sports

So..? I even know people who prays so their evil scheme will be succesfull. What's that going to do with religion or God itself.

 

Thank God! Praise Jesus!

Once again, you are talking about human behavior. You can also find people who endure their loses with an attidue of "Lord gives it, Lord takes it" By the way, freewill doesnt mean God having no control over what we do. Cant a mother infuluence her son? Does that means she has negates her son's freewill?

 

PUNISHMENT. HELL

Again, freewill. And any human who has even little faith will eventully go into heaven. And many our minor sins, escpically the ones commited against God will be forgiven if you awere of yourself. Hell is a place for arrogant people who reject God and giving him/herself the credits, thinking himself, herself is the one who is powerfull.

 

About Satan

Satan isnt an angel. A creation, another being who granted the rank of the angels. Satan has freewill and therefore God didnt create him to do evil things.

 

Towards Muslims: Praying 5 Times a Day.

The benefits of praying 5 times a day.

1st, you need be clean physicaly. So praying 5 times a day prevent a person from geting lost in a daily life and stay clean all the time.

Then praying 5 times a day prevent a person from forgeting about God. It will strength your willpower.

Praying is a meditation, you need to do certain physical movements. That helps your body. And in praying sesion, you need to try to meditate, try to forget about worldly worries. Chanting helps. Why in arabic you say? Becasue Quran written in a poetic way, translating it makes it lose its rythme.

 

About fasting

You said: The reason for fasting is to primarily clear your system and to be reminding of

the poor and hungry feel. This is really stupid.

Why? By the way, for non-muslims. During fasting, you should also stay away from bad habbits. Its not just about foods.

And you also said Instead of having a month of fasting, why not have a month of donating to the poor?

Are you sure you were a muslim? Every muslim should donate 1/40 of his wealth to poor every year and people usually donate during the month of Ramadan.

 

About general idea of yours:

You keep saying why God makes bad things as cancer or Ak-47.

I want to say the attidue of "Why God created bad things?" is childish. I believe in freewill and therefore I believe many bad things are the choices that we make. Even the disasters are results of our influence on Earth. And earthquakes dont kill people, bad buildings kill. Which hurt more Kathirana or the looting and late help from goverment?

Reapting:

If there is no money around, there would be no stealing. Is that mean, everyone here is honest? How can human can know his/her limits and weakness if he/she wont be challange. How can we work on our bad habits, if we never chance to practice on it. How can you be a good man, if you never encountered bad things. You can say, you are courgoues if you never felt the fear? You can say you are kind, if your patience never tested by an annoying kid?

 

If youre a Muslim and dont believe in Jesus, does that mean

youre going to hell? If youre a Christian, and dont believe in Mohammed are

you going to hell?

Are you sure you were muslim? Muslims do respect and love Jesus!

By the way, many of the orders of God is about how you be a better man. Its a guide for living. And as I said before many our minor sins, escpically the ones commited against God will be forgiven if you awere of yourself. Also God says, it wont punish people without giving them warnings and second chances. Therefore, I believe every person on Earth had or will have chance to find true way. But it wont be divive message as you imagene. No, its like... meeting with someone, reading something, being invered to a place.

 

Anyway, I have discussed religion with mant atheist and some of them really made good arguments which made me thinking but none of your arguments here are strong. They are mostly like whining of a naughty boy who couldnt get the toy he wanted.

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[KansukeKojima 0]

Lets say Im wrong

Lets say Im wrong and there really is a God. Do you honestly think God will send

me to hell because I didnt believe in him? If God is real what can go wrong? God

created me to do exactly what I did. Im not going on a murdering spree, Im not

promoting bad, and Im not sinning.

Unfortunately....... if you do not change your mind: You will suffer for an eternity. Can you even begin to comprehend that? You will face unbearable and unending pain. If you do not change God will cast you down, and you will be crushed. He will unleash the full measure of His wrath upon you!

 

I assure you, that you are sinning. You are rebelling against Him, and by not acknowledging Him as God.

 

On the day of your judgment, you will weep and you will howl with regret!

 

That is all I have to say if you choose to rebel against God. You have been warned, if you do not heed it, you will get the full measure of what you deserve.

[amirborna 0]

Unfortunately....... if you do not change your mind: You will suffer for an eternity. Can you even begin to comprehend that? You will face unbearable and unending pain. If you do not change God will cast you down, and you will be crushed. He will unleash the full measure of His wrath upon you!
I assure you, that you are sinning. You are rebelling against Him, and by not acknowledging Him as God.

On the day of your judgment, you will weep and you will howl with regret!

That is all I have to say if you choose to rebel against God. You have been warned, if you do not heed it, you will get the full measure of what you deserve.

Sorry bro, I don't believe in an evil God. The God I know of, if ever existing, is loving no matter what.
You can believe what you want to believe in, and I'll believe in my Unicorn God.

This is the same stupid *BLEEP* I'm talking about. You go to church and they brainwash you with this *BLEEP* and instill fear into you so you can't even think for yourself.

[KansukeKojima 0]

Sorry bro, I don't believe in an evil God. The God I know of, if ever existing, is loving no matter what.You can believe what you want to believe in, and I'll believe in my Unicorn God.

This is the same stupid *BLEEP* I'm talking about. You go to church and they brainwash you with this *BLEEP* and instill fear into you so you can't even think for yourself.

God does indeed love you. In fact, He offers you salvation through Jesus' death. It's clear that you have rejected God as a whole. Why would He show you that love if YOU have rejected Him?

Luke 13: 22 - 28
22Then Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he made his way to Jerusalem. 23Someone asked him, "Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?"

He said to them, 24"Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, 'Sir, open the door for us.'
"But he will answer, 'I don't know you or where you come from.'

26"Then you will say, 'We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.'

27"But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!'

28"There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.

You will not be able to pass through that door. You have rejected the love of God, and He will never allow you in His presence!

This is the same stupid *BLEEP* I'm talking about. You go to church and they brainwash you with this *BLEEP* and instill fear into you so you can't even think for yourself.

I'm not brainwashed. I think for myself. You want to know what I think? I think that there is a reason why I exist: to follow God. If anything you have been brainwashed. Whenever I read something about God that you have written, I see nothing but fallacies.

[amirborna 0]

Yeah alright dude, I respect your opinion, but I think it's just really funny to see religious people talk like that.I stated about 2 pages of things I feel wrong and the only thing you can say is "Let's say I'm wrong part"Again, you fear the wrath of your angry evil God.I don't blame you dudeKeep believing man, I'm out.

[KansukeKojima 0]

Well... its clear you made your decision. Enjoy the terror your going to experience.

[amirborna 0]

Well... its clear you made your decision. Enjoy the terror your going to experience.

I'll see you in hell

[hitmanblood 0]

Well, now I have finally figured you out Amir it is not that you do not believe in God or something similar to that you have certain hatred against Christian God since it is Christianity you are talking you haven't included any other example from another religion for inconsistencies that might have occurred. So this is first thing it seems that you are just fighting against and speaking out against Christianity Christian ways and Christian God and I do not respect this at all. (Important thing to consider here is that I also am not believer and follower of exact Christian Church dogma). But you coming from another religion are trying to say how Christian God is bad angry and hateful. Meanwhile these are adverbs that I would assign to you in the first place. And you are doing all this under the flag of atheism. And all the time you are saying that God doesn't exists while you have stated in one reply to me that you believe in god. And that I am insulting your god. (Which for those that haven't read the other discussion is not true I was explaining that there is distinct possibility that god in religions on earth might be the one and exactly the same entity.) So you see you are just writing and starting all of these posts and topics all over religious forums just to show your own hatred against Christian God. Why? Well, I do not know why but it is just wrong in todays world when everyone have ability to practice their own faith as long as it doesn't endanger others it is very interesting that yours crusade.Now I would like to add my very personal opinion of you and your posts. Since to me you seem very young (17) and foolish and certainly not educated for the themes that you are starting and things that you are talking about. And you should start with more reading and more logical deduction then just to go straightforward and believe in every thing that someone else is saying to you. So now to the very analysis of the post you made at the beginning of this topic:At first I would like to explain some things and certain facts about bible it self. So you must understand the way and how it was written. The bible was written by too many people over the prolonged period of time. Written in many languages and many Hebrew dialects. And one more very important thing is to consider how they were writing it in those days. Hebrew written language was not that similar to the spoken language because they were not writing down vocals. And because of this some words may be interpreted in wrong way making certain contradictions and unfeasible things. Also depending on the translation it might happen that most of the newly translated bibles are in fact translated and misunderstood from their translators and because of that further meanings are lost in the translation itself. Also one more important thing is how many times bible has been rewritten since its first issue if we can take that there was first issue since it was almost and throughout most of the Jew history being written all of the time. Now I would also like to say what I think of bible. I see bible not as a holy book but rather as a historical book in which certain things to simple man that wass writing it were explained and gained godly shape. It is pure historically based book and especially the old testament where everything is based on previous tense. However there are certain things in bible in the new testament that are contradictory. But since this is not issue of this discussion I wil explain it in the few words. The main point is that there are some prophecies and historians haven't yet agreed whether those are prophecies or simply descriptions in the way of creative writing of current situation happening in the roman imperium. All these things have to be consider before reading the bible itself.Now some of the replays.To show you that you haven't in fact read bible and you are basing your opinion and opinion of that text on only few to you available things from videos and Hollywood movies. First of all after great flood god has promised that he will not interfere anymore in the affairs of the humans. This is very important fact and keep this in mind.Now you are explaining Adam and Eve from the point of humans logic you do not know how God thinks maybe he thinks in binary and for him there are only two options there and this is the reason why would he put apple tree there. The point is that god has given people ability to learn and expand and tree was named in fact tree of knowledge. So humans are not in fact obeyable like Angles went and eat it I don't see something ignorant in this. Why? well most people will in fact do things that they are forbidden to do. This is very simple psychology. And god didn't go aroudn corner and waited to expel them from eden. In fact he figured out later on when adam already ate apple. These are few things just to make you thinking of course if you are not that ignorant and just disregard this post.

[ivantoar 0]

Well, everybody has it point of view. It's okay to be religious or atheis. But atheis and religious SHOULD NOT flaming and disrespect each other. That's just my point of view, no offence.

[KansukeKojima 0]

I have to agree with hitmanblood (again).

 

You seem to be demonstrating a serious hatred for my God. You are not attacking other religions, nor are you pointing out their flaws, etc. You seem to be on a mission to destroy what Christians believe in.

 

 

To show you that you haven't in fact read bible and you are basing your opinion and opinion of that text on only few to you available things from videos and Hollywood movies.

Its fairly apparent that you are obtaining your knowledge from those 'videos and hollywood movies'. I think that if you actually read the Bible, and read some of the very old documents that pertain to it, you would maybe change your mind about this hate-war that you seem to be trying to start.

 

At first I would like to explain some things and certain facts about bible it self. So you must understand the way and how it was written. The bible was written by too many people over the prolonged period of time. Written in many languages and many Hebrew dialects. And one more very important thing is to consider how they were writing it in those days. Hebrew written language was not that similar to the spoken language because they were not writing down vocals. And because of this some words may be interpreted in wrong way making certain contradictions and unfeasible things. Also depending on the translation it might happen that most of the newly translated bibles are in fact translated and misunderstood from their translators and because of that further meanings are lost in the translation itself.

Its clear that you yourself do not know how it was written. You make it sound like it was written like a novel, from front cover to back cover. It was not. The Bible is a series of scrolls, letters, etc. that was compiled by the Council of Nicaea(I could be wrong there... it may have been compiled elsewhere...... but I'm pretty sure it was there.)

 

 

well... I have to go to math class... so that is all I have time for...