Lesbians Who Have Children

[JasperIk 0]

Im not against lesbians who adopt, i just hate when they give birth. They often use a guy that they know, gay or straight to get pregnant [mostly not by sexual intercourse] and as soon as the baby is born the lesbian doesnt want anything to do with the guy, forcing the child to be fatherless. Plus all this i believe that part of the reason why there are gays is to help the world be less populated and if every lesbian has a kid, how does that help?? Besides there are kids in orphanges who need parents more then unborn babies right? And yeah the kid will be fatherless, but its also motherless technically too so when it is adopted it goes to two loving parents, instead of two 'loving' parents who have pushed the father out completley and have just litterly USED him. It just bothers me...

[Kubi 0]

Ya...this is disturbing me too...I always thought people became gay, because they had something against the opposite sex. Such as, guys can be controlling, perverts, no offence, but this is why some girls because lesbians, because they don't like guys because of the way they act. Same with guys and guys.2 Lesbians adopting is one thing, this, I have NO problem with, because it's helping the child whos in the orphanage. But using a man to give birth to there own child is WRONG. The child will never know his father, and be raised by 2 women. This could cause him to because gay as well in most cases..it's an endless cycle.I think using a man is wrong, the child never knows there parent, and what if the man had feelings twords the women, or maybe wanted to see the child he helped create.... You raise a very interesting topic...

[JasperIk 0]

Ya...this is disturbing me too...I always thought people became gay, because they had something against the opposite sex. Such as, guys can be controlling, perverts, no offence, but this is why some girls because lesbians, because they don't like guys because of the way they act. Same with guys and guys.
2 Lesbians adopting is one thing, this, I have NO problem with, because it's helping the child whos in the orphanage. But using a man to give birth to there own child is WRONG. The child will never know his father, and be raised by 2 women. This could cause him to because gay as well in most cases..it's an endless cycle.

I think using a man is wrong, the child never knows there parent, and what if the man had feelings twords the women, or maybe wanted to see the child he helped create.... You raise a very interesting topic...

I find it funny when people say people became gay because they dont like the way the opposite sex acts, well duh they are gay! I mean think logically about that statement...

And, people dont become gay because their parents are...if that were the case everyone would be straight, because their parents are straight.

But yeah using a guy to spawn your children and then litterly pushing them out of your life is wrong. Besides they often tell lies like 'your dad just didnt want to stay around' and it makes the kid hate the dad because they assume that is the truth. Plus i think the sperm doner idea is just gross, and weird.

[WindAndWater 0]

I always thought people became gay, because they had something against the opposite sex...some girls because lesbians, because they don't like guys because of the way they act. Same with guys and guys....using a man to give birth to there own child is WRONG. The child will never know his father, and be raised by 2 women. This could cause him to because gay as well in most cases..it's an endless cycle.

I don't think I could disagree with you more. Homosexuals are born with their sexual orientation, just like heterosexuals. Sometimes it takes them longer to realize that they like their own sex, but that's because they have to overcome gender stereotypes and a hostile and biased society. If you were going out with someone and then had a very messy breakup with them, would you be able to "decide" to just start liking your own sex? Neither did they.

These women don't steal men's sperm in the middle of the night. If a man donates sperm, it's because he's willing to help a woman reproduce. He directly agrees that he's willing to facilitate conception without being a parent. Are you also against sperm donations for heterosexual couples where the man's infertile? You mention that coception is usually not by coitus; would it somehow be more acceptable if it was?

You mention that not having a father figure will cause a male child to grow up gay. Do boys born to single mothers usually turn out gay? Do girls born to single fathers usually turn out to be lesbians? I don't think that there's a single credible study *anywhere* that shows that the sexual orientation of the parents determine the sexual orientation of the child. In fact, there are studies that show that sexual orientation is largely predetermined before birth.

Besides they often tell lies like 'your dad just didnt want to stay around' and it makes the kid hate the dad because they assume that is the truth.

This is another ungrounded stereotype. Yes this may happen occationally, but most lesbian couples are strait forward with their children about their conception.
You're entitled to have your own beliefs, but please try to scrutinize them more, to see if they hold any substance. I'm friends with a fair number of homosexuals, and all of your objections seem to be founded on stereotypes and misconceptions.
Edited April 13, 2006 by WindAndWater (see edit history)

[MaineFishing45 0]

 

These women don't steal men's sperm in the middle of the night. If a man donates sperm, it's because he's willing to help a woman reproduce. He directly agrees that he's willing to facilitate conception without being a parent. Are you also against sperm donations for heterosexual couples where the man's infertile? You mention that coception is usually not by coitus; would it somehow be more acceptable if it was?

 

Wow... I just had to laugh at this one, stealing sperm and I thought I had seen/heard it all . Well if there donating there thats one thing, but if they "use" a guy to get it and then throw him out I hate that too.

 

You mention that not having a father figure will cause a male child to grow up gay. Do boys born to single mothers usually turn out gay? Do girls born to single fathers usually turn out to be lesbians? I don't think that there's a single credible study *anywhere* that shows that the sexual orientation of the parents determine the sexual orientation of the child. In fact, there are studies that show that sexual orientation is largely predetermined before birth.

 

That I have to agree with you is total crap, I mean that really has nothing to do with the post, but a good sterotype to explain your point, you got all of us here. But it really depends on how the "parents" influence the child, and talk to them, and interact with the other adult.

 

Like if a kid sees tons of sexual references and porno stuff, then there going to grow up thinking its ok to "do that stuff", and blantently talk about it. If there is a ton of violence and hostile enviorment around the house then the kid will grow up around that and act that way, same thing goes for everything. Kids/Teens look up to others (like me) and we see what your doing. If your shooting the guy next door and cursing at him, most likley we will do the same to a teacher at school if we get a bad grade or someone confronts us.

 

This is another ungrounded stereotype. Yes this may happen occationally, but most lesbian couples are strait forward with their children about their conception.

 

Well if thats the way your going to be, then tell the kid when there OLD enough to understand so they know whats going on, and recieve a positive outlook on life. And the funny thing is that more gay/lesbo couples are not getting divorced rather than the normal Male/Female couple. And really there is no law saying that a Guy-Guy can have a marriage or a Girl-Girl can not have a marriage.

 

And I have to add, when two girls get together (lebso couple) really no one cares since everybody thinks is a sexual relationship (most likely not...) and thats what makes it so annoying when two guys get to together everybody freaks out.

 

~Conclusion~

 

I don't really care, who, what, where, when, why, how or anything else that I can think of. If your going to do it FINE, just don't bother me or try to get me "into" it. Because I'm fine being "straight" (gotta laugh ), and I like girls, not guys! So thats my opinion, wow that was a long, long post!

Edited April 14, 2006 by MaineFishing45 (see edit history)

[BordaForx 0]

Well, by bringing up this question, this will bring many controversies. I think it's appropriate for homosexual couples to have children, but only by adoption. I don't think "using" a man for his sperm would be right. Maybe, if you really want a child of your own, you can accept sperm donations (yes, there are such things).

 

Yes, I think it's very wrong to "use" a man. The child will probably end up with social problems because, instead of having a father and a mother, they would have two mothers. In that case, they will probably be made fun of. Children are the most evil weapon.

 

After thinking about this post, I think homosexual's adopting children will not be all right. The child will be made fun of, etc. But, I have no say in this, so discuss.

[adriantc 0]

I have heard a case a couple of weeks ago about two lesbians who used the sperm bank to make a baby. But just after one of them delivered the baby they split up and belive it or not it sued the men who donated the sperm to the sperm bank. And belive it or not she won! And now the men has to pay a monthly small fortune for beeing the biological father of the baby he didn't even know. I simply can't see who a relationship between the same sex can work.

[Tyssen 0]

Plus all this i believe that part of the reason why there are gays is to help the world be less populated

What a strange notion. Why does there need to be any 'reason' for people to be gay. Sounds like you think there's some master plan to reduce the world's population by releasing a 'gay' virus.

[HoRuS 0]

Hmm lesbians who wanna have children, it's kinda hypocrite.

First they don't want a man for whatever reason they claim, but then again some strange guy's sperm is fine.
What if the child becomes a boy? Heh, I wouldn't want to be raised by 2 women (or men), without a father (mother). It's likely to happen that the child's feelings might get confused by this as well wich can result to confusion on a sexual level.

What a strange notion. Why does there need to be any 'reason' for people to be gay. Sounds like you think there's some master plan to reduce the world's population by releasing a 'gay' virus.

lol that would be a sick reason to decrease the population.
There are plans within the 'elite' of this world to decrease the population though, but I ain't going there in here

[Sprnknwn 0]

Well, you are saying that is not correct to use a man like this, but it?s not like stealing sperm to conceive a child. The man knows well what is going to happen, there?s a lesbian couple that wants a child and he is only a way to get it. I mean, you have to be stupid for doing this if you have a problem with what is going to happen. If you want a child, go ahead, adopt it or have it with your mate but giving your semen to a lesbian couple doesn?t seem the best way. You also say that how can lesbians do that when there are so many kids in orphanges. Yeah, lesbians could adopt, but heterosexual couples could also adopt and generally only do it when there?s no other way. People are so selfish that even in this we all want to have our own child and feel that belongs to us (which it?s not true, anyway).Finally... I hope that the idea of gay people to help the world to be less populated it?s a joke. Sounds like "oh... I?d like to have sex with girls but I?m soooo worried about population that I?ll have to do it with boys"... hilarious.

[xaetos 0]

The child will never know his father, and be raised by 2 women. This could cause him to because gay as well in most cases..it's an endless cycle.

It's likely to happen that the child's feelings might get confused by this as well wich can result to confusion on a sexual level.

This is entirely incorrect. Research something before you state it as a fact or even a concept.

 

More recent studies have also found that sons of homosexual men were not more likely to become gay if they lived with their gay dad and that 9 in 10 children of lesbian mothers developed into heterosexuals (Bailey & others, 1995; Golombok & Tasker, 1996)

One research team studied the twin borthers of homosexual men. Among their identical twin brothers, 52 percent were homosexual, as were 22 percent of fraternal twin brothers [generally, 3-4% of males are homosexual] (Bailey & Pillard, 1991, 1995). In a follow-up study of homosexual women, a similar 48 percent of their identical twins were homosexual, as were 16 percent of their fraternal twins [generally, 1-2% of women are homosexual] (Bailey & others, 1993).

(Myers In Modules, by David Myers)

 

 

I'm not going to quote any more stuff, but my point is, whether you're gay/lesbian or not has a lot more to do with genes and bioligical things that the surroundings you grow up in. Again, it would do you guys some good to research this stuff first before stating your opinions off something thats not even true..

 

As for the issue of whether or not lesbian women should be allowed to concieve a child instead of adopting.. well, isn't that her choice? I completely agree that if she becomes pregnant through a male friend and then cuts him off from "his" child, its wrong. But if she doesn't? I mean, shouldn't a homosexual woman have just as much a right to concieve and birth her own child as anyone else?

 

Its not a matter of "decreasing the population". Its more a matter of a woman.. any woman, being allowed to pass her genes onto another generation. Thats her choice, not anyone elses.. If there are children in an orphanage, as long as she didn't put them there in any way, why should she have any more of a responsibility to those children over a (potential) child of her own?

Edited April 16, 2006 by xaetos (see edit history)

[terminal2k 0]

heres my opinion on this topic:upbringing does influence a persons preferences in a lot of things, it can be a small or large influence, you are slightly more likely to end up in the same profession as your parents, you are also more likely to enjoy similar things to them.i do believe that gay couples should be able to raise children, however i always think that adoption should be considered before things like artificial insemination, that goes for straight people as well, there are too many people in the world already.I do believe that society sucks though, the reason most people are against gay people is because of what society tells them, and their parents. I believe that anyone can be with anyone, who's to say that it is wrong? who's to say that we aren't meant to not be monogomous?

[JasperIk 0]

With all the posts about how its not fair to judge a lesbian and her decisian to have a baby naturally...well. If you don't have sex, to get pregnant then technically it isn't natural. In my opinion if you have to get pregnant by artificial insemination then you weren't meant to give birth. Its kind of unnatural. Often times you end up with MORE then one baby, and sometimes the baby/babies come out defected. This goes for straight women too.

[WindAndWater 0]

In my opinion if you have to get pregnant by artificial insemination then you weren't meant to give birth. Its kind of unnatural. Often times you end up with MORE then one baby, and sometimes the baby/babies come out defected. This goes for straight women too.

Once again, you're entitled to your own opinion. However, can you provide any evidence of your claim, as once again it seems very unsubstantiated. It's true that it often takes more than one artificial insemination to make a woman pregnant, but there's no higher chance of birth defects or multiple births. Also, what people don't realize is it often takes couples more than one try to have a child, so in reality the fertility rates are just about the same.A portion of our population has innate homophobia -- or at least a derisive view towards homosexuals -- that I think's completely ludicrious.

[Jesse 0]

This is not the case with all lesbians. There are a lot that have a lot to do with the father of the child they have. A lesbian couple raising a child is no different to a straight coupld raising a child, except for that fact that it has two of the same sex raising it. And my personal opinon is if a lesbian or gay couple wish to have a child and raise it, it there is choice. I don't think that it is anyone else's business.There are also fathers who once they make the child, give full custody to the lesbian couple, as they want nothing to do with the child. Yes, this is sad, but it is a choice that they have made and that needs to be respected.Yes, I am gay and I will not have children, as I do not want any. However, if I did, it would be my decision and how I would raise this child would also be my decision.