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Alright, got it, and no9t9, there's no issue about this that you propose and standards? I know it helpsother people understand the code, but there's nothing official about this in parsers or validators or just standards?

Yes that one! I havent finished understaning it completely, the main issue about using AP is that it gets the element which is being positioned absolutely, out of the normal flow of the document, and that could be a trouble if we want the layout to behave normally and get one element after the other in the normal flow...

I believe robots are used to both index or not indexing your pages am i wrong? As far as i know the possible values are:index, followno index, no followindex, no followno index, followallnoneIn fact there are just two values: index and follow, and you can turn them on or off.Index is for appending that page to the search engines database, and follow is for seeking the links it finds on the page, and indexing those pages to its DB.

haha I'm not demanding anything, i just said what "I'll have to do", but "I" references to me.I do support my original statement, I support both, just telling my part of the story, I believe in both arguments, can't we believe in several stuff at the same time? They are not opossed, just complement each other, in some ways.

I found something about that when i was learning xhtml, and i read that the problem was actually with netscape, but havent checked it at all.But i think xhtml and css is interpreted differently becouse they are different things right? So the white spaces of css should be parsed differently, well thats what i thinkAnd the white space between lines i think its ok but the white space between the brakets (i think these are called brakets right? { } ) and the whitespace between the colon and semi colon...I find it more readable like this, becouse its all shorter and avoids extra spaces, thats why i like to write it all down in a single line, so it doesnt bug me off, becouse i know what im doing, but im planning to make all this better and with line breaks where needed for some one who wants to see the code (after i have finised it), and learn from it...

I dont quite understand that yet hehe bythe way... :)I know that the more specific the rule is the higher the importance of inheritance is and i saw a rule to get how much weight exactly a rule has, for the name of the element, the class and the id (the more specific, the more weight) but dont understand it totally...

I always write my css with no spaces between the rules, and everything inline, like this: #content {padding-top:1em;background-color:black;}#left p {margin-top:0;color:white;} Just Im not sure if it affects the code, but all code i see in other pages is separated like this: #content { padding-top: 1em; background-color: black; }#left p { margin-top:0; color:white;} Like a space after and before { and } and between the rule and the value (after the ':' ) and between rules (after the ';' ). I dont see anything going weird in my final tests in some browsers but i dont know if this is a bad habit i should correct or something, its just im used to it and i recognize better my own code like this... Does some one know something about it? Notice from cmatcmextra: When writing code, please put code tags around it.

err, i didnt quite understand that... you are sure it is what? that google isnt using it any more? Thanks, i do know everything you said about meta tags, but i didnt actually find an answer to any of my questions (what i asked was which search engines are using meta tags to filter and organize their databases). Thanks!

1. Are the meta tags really working? which search engines actually use them?2. Do i have to declare description and abstract meta tags in every page? and What are the differences between them?3. Can Keywords be the same across all pages?4. What exactly is the content that should come inside a copyright meta tag? (I use the name of the site and a full URL with the path to the "Legal Advice" or something)5. Language meta tag for spanish from mexico is just "es"?6. What are the most common and recomendable meta tags that we must try to include in our sites? These are what i use:a) http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Language" c) "language" d) titlee) descriptionf) abstractg) keywordsh) revisit i) ownerj) generator x) rating y) distributionz) copyrightIn that order (i know it doesnt have to do but i like 'grouping' sets of meta tags to have them in a personal way that helps me understand them faster across the sites i develop, or something like that (have some one found a better way to classify them)?Thanks in advance...

I do know about the hacks, but what i ask about the css filters is how they work or what exactly are them, js + css amalgam or what? Couse i've seen some around, im not sure if they are actually hacks or built in kinda custom scripts which make crazy things, like blury text and other stuff, im not sure which or how but i once got to see one, but i didnt understand css back then, all i know is that dreamweaver actually supports them but i dont know how to use them (they can be found in the last section of the css style panel when you visually edit a rule, i mean, not in the code part). And about the !important thing... some arboc said that why dont i use a fully standards compliant rule (refering to !important) so i ask is it not !important a standard?Thanks!

I got a link that some one posted about absolute positioning issues and understanding the real purpose of absolute positioning, but i didnt quite understood it though hehe, yet I'm actually trying to avoid as much as i can using it, but if you get to see that link it will be useful and maybe you could then teach us the correct use of A.P.

Yes, dont get mad, and please first read the whole question to avoid misunderstaning, im talking about the js file, not the agent support, im asking if the file itself can contain html code without the need of using the "print" js command...Please read and understand... dont get mad

Doesnt it work if you put whatever you want, for example pure html or xhtml, or even css in a file called wathever.js instead of print: <div>...</div> ?

But the problem won't fix by us having our norton configured, becouse most users dont know how to do it.A few months ago i had a problem like that and it was that dame norton thing which caused the trouble, i figure it out but didnt know why, til now... and take a look at my code: <object classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,29,0" width="460" height="93"><param name="movie" value="bannerx3.swf"><param name="quality" value="high"><embed src="bannerx3.swf" quality="high" pluginspage="https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/; type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="460" height="93"></embed></object> The only thing that was messing was the actual name of the swf file... I think that norton should take a note about this, becouse most users dont know what to do about this, so it should be better if this feature would be 'hidden' but for the advanced settings for someone to hide, I'm not sure where its set as deffault but ...Thanks for sharing this issue!

I'll have to ask an apologee from all other members about this, but truth is that i have found out that XHTML is NOT THAT GREAT RIGHT NOW. Besides cross browser compatibility in an actual market composed of 95% of IE users (stats from google analytics, in a university portal which makes an average of 8000 visits a day, on week days that is, it goes down on weekends), there is no other overwhelming reason to change... Dont get me wrong! I am actually coding each and every of my latest works and projects in strict xhtml 1.0, and im proud to tell that its valid code(except for the php send mail which requieres the transitional "name" atribute, in which i switched the doctype to transitional hehe ). I go for it, i support it and encourage other people to use it, and i state the same things you have said before in this thread.But when it comes to it, when some one ask something like this (what else?!) i have no answer but "Its the latest trend, its the biggest fashion and it looks cool and geeky and great, it validates on the w3c standards, its the mode, you are out if you dont use it".This is not my main reason to do it, but its also works for encouraging ourselves to do so.. am i wrong? would some one tellme that has never done so?I'd like to get this point clear, the future is coming and firefox is coming for IE. Standars are begging to rise again like the fiery phoenix from the ashes of what it first was meant to be the html and world wide web, according to Tim Berners Lee. So sooner or later everybody (like it or not) will just have to switch, or be left off the market in the first place (what advantajes can a web developer offer against that who uses "International Standard Code endorsed by the World Wide Web Consortium, the non-comercial organisation which dedicates to the development of web technologies to further increase its usability among users and platforms"... astonishing huh?) and later it will just have gone...There are several products that make your life easier, some commercial and some free. Im not much into the free ones but im sure anyone here can post a few links. Besides is not that hard, and it really helps the community. Its the web 2.0 attitude. It also really makes a lot easier to count in people with disabilities. There are programs that literally read the screen for blind people. Blind at all, so the program reads it for them. And they are not too far away, if you use win xp go to start -> run -> and type "narrator". There is also a very famous screen reader named "JAWS" which also does the trick. That's why people keeps telling you websites with tables layout are bad for them, becouse the screen reader reads text, but not images, and it reads it in the logical order that it finds the code, so if you see td's after td's the order wont be as logical as if you have just plain text, see what i mean? And well, the way xhtml helps actually helps those people, is by thinking with another kind of markup structure, like a microsoft word document, first the title, then the index or list of content, then the content and then the last notes about the document.So it shifts to: h1 for the title, immediately next, a menu with the site content, usually it has trend to be an unordered list (with lots of css to look more than just a list), then the paragraphs and all content of the site. Then the footer notes.It is just an example, a very simple one. But thats what is all about, to make web sites more accesible to everybody, and better sites that might be already accesible, lighter-weight, and easier to update.XHTML does not grants your site to be accesible, it depends in a lot of things, but its the mentaility. Like ajax, if you have heard of it, its not a technology in itself but a group of technologies and mentalities that astray into another.In short: its not that different from the old school html, but it lumps together lots of details that are becoming more and more important while designing for the whole globe, not just win/ie, or not just people without disabilities, or people with low speed connection, or people with a pc (we know people access the web in all sort of devices today, cellphones, pda's, different os platforms etc), or people with little time to spend in the site, or whatever. Its the "everybody-in" fashion now. Hope it helps ya out

I didnt get the user name... what was it?

Yeah cool, im glad at least that theres a way to get a tableless way to do it, though if some one knows how to do it without spans or divs i'll apreciate, though im really happy with my brand new fancy tableless design... like someone said: "Look ma... no tables!"... hehe, heard it somewhere...

And is there a way of doing this without any span? just label and input floats? A way of selecting through the cointainer div and tell the form, the fieldset or whatever to float some where or something?

alright, ill give it a try then, but then are you sure that php can only read post variables through 'name' only? couse i find it to work when i switch, but i may be getting it wrong or somethin

Im using xhtml strict, and trying to send a form to 'mail.php' which actually sends the data, but it seems that php does not detect the $_POST['m_name']; if i do not assign a "name" attribute in the form, but strict xhtml does not accept the name attribute in my form elements...When i try to validate, it says... "there is no name attribute" and stuff... and what i say is yeah yeah whatever you perverse Markup Validation Service, i knew that... but php does not recognize an id attribute to use with $_POST so i can not send info, or tell me if i'm wrong? What is going on?hehethanx

So instead of $headers = "MIME-Version: 1.0\n";$headers .= "Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1\n"; We should use $headers = "MIME-Version: 1.0\r\n";$headers .= "Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1\r\n"; ??? And what php mailer? Notice from jlhaslip: edit to include code tags

Yeah thanks for that page tyssen! i have not read it all but i think that will make :hover life easier right? and i think moldboy wanted to know a little bit about dropdowns...

Hi, yes i guess the images are more content than decorative, they are suposed to be a glimpse of what the link offers, thanks for that tip (to consider if the image is decorative or actual content) ill think in this in other stuff where i had doubts about css, its a really good question you must ask your self. Yes jlhaslip i got the link on the pm but i already know how to float things, but just what i wanted is to know how to structure a markup and css layout that will of course validate and be the most logical and well formed, for a list of links that include an image on the li itself. But the image is different for each. The other project i was doing i completed what i wanted, the same but in this case the image is the same, you can give this thing a look here: http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ The background image for the thing itself i put it inside the anchor, so it was like this: a {display:block;background-image:url(bg.jpg)} which at the beggining was more kind of thinking that the background will be more logically but in the LI not the link, but i got it like that, i dunno hehe... cheers Notice from jlhaslip: Edit as per report

Dont know if from a script but certanly through a meta tag. Yes im sorry that was the other topic about, meta tags in refreshing.And guess the javascript will do easier than pasting the actual link for the same page, becouse its a code that you can just copy and paste every where without having to worry what page is it.I think its easier but it also depends on javscript. But hey, how many actual users have javascript blocked? most users dont know even how (hehe i have not ever blocked it, so i actually dont know how to, i mean without firefox extensions)...

I have a site under development where you can see this applied. http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ If you have firefox and the webdeveloper tools extension installed, it will be easier and faster to locate the css, which is attached to the documents by a style which @imports the main style. _Im currently working (hehe not true but planning to work in) the other media styles. The shorthand for style is like this: list-style-type list-style-position list-style-image for example #liststyle ul {list-style: none inside url(bullet.gif)} Greetings... -10730