How To Calculate The Average From Differnt Data Inputs...

[anwiii 17]

i actually did tell you not to bother replying twice. i will have a professor do the proof and i will post it. it's no use arguing here when the math is obviously wrong and people aren't seeing it. please just post the specific question you want answered in your own words and i will hand it off to a third party who should in effect be better at math than the both of us.

[web_designer 7]

i actually did tell you not to bother replying twice. i will have a professor do the proof and i will post it. it's no use arguing here when the math is obviously wrong and people aren't seeing it. please just post the specific question you want answered in your own words and i will hand it off to a third party who should in effect be better at math than the both of us.

well, you know what i am trying to prove and i SAID and PROVED everything i want to and when you get that explanation from the professor just post it here, and i will argue about it too if it didn't convince me, i used to argue with my teachers all the times .

but i won't argue about that with you anwiii any more, because it seems you taking things personal whereas i don't, and if you see our discussion as a kiddie math then forgive me i don't do that math anymore, so this is the end for me in here.

kiddie math

whatever...

[anwiii 17]

haha well i am not going to waste my time when you are going to tell me you would argue with an expert. that's just ridiculous. now that i know that you will just continue to argue even if you're wrong, i have to say this conversation is over. you haven't proved a darn thing and assuming you have the correct ratio was your downfall because below, i use your same logic with the same ratio values and i come up with two different results. this proves you cannot go by your logic UNLESS you can somehow prove to me that .5,1,2,and 4 were the correct values. but you can't. you picked those #'s in thin air to calculate a so called "average" which isn't even an average. also it's funny when you came up with .076 or something when trying to calculate the HIGH average when MY OWN AVERAGE was calculated at .10. you calculated for the highs and mine is still higher oh boy.....

 

the whole subject started when opaque announced that i earned 46 USD from 443 posts, and anwiii calculate the average of my ALL POSTS that they will be equal 10 cents for each post.

 

i just reread your post...haha WRONG! i NEVER EVER said all your posts equals .10 each. never in a million years. i said your average post value is .10 taking in the highs and the lows.

 

and i am considering only the long of the posts. i think getting the same average for all posts is wrong because according to anwiii's way i got 10 cents of ALL MY POSTS, either they are two lines long or twenty lines long.

i didn't even read this part of your post either. this explains ALOT. you taking the highest value for each group. sorry wd. taking the highest value in each group(5,10,20,40) will not constitute a correct average when in each group you also have 2,5,10,20. also, your table is wrong because you list 5 twice, 10 twice, and 20 twice. but i still understand what you were trying to do. why is taking the highest #'s only the correct way to do it but when i tried to average the group, taking the medians 3.5,7.5,15,30 is wrong? how can you possible figure that?

 

again, you have shown absolutely NO PROOF in what you did. i ask you questions and you ignore them. are you even reading my posts and my formula to calculate things? because when you ignore me, i have to either assume you aren't reading everything or you don't want to answer because you can't answer. i mean which is it? you're in a catch 22 here

 

you used .5,1,2,and 4 as a ratio to you highest posts in each group(5,10,20,40). so we can very well use .25,.50,1,2 OR 1,2,4,8 as the ratios since all you did was chose random #'s that doubled. if they weren't random, please tell me who you came up with your figures. so now let's see my two examples using my #'s. the logic is the exact same but it will produce difference results and the proof will remain the same at $40

 

group a- 70*.25=17.50

group b- 200*.50=100

group c- 100*1=100

group d- 30*2=60

 

40/277.50=.144144

 

according to your logic, this would be correct too.

 

group a- 70*1=70

group b- 200*2=400

group c- 100*4=400

group d- 30*8=240

 

40/1110=.036036

 

3 calculations with the same logic and different results. i want to know why you chose .5,1,2, and 4! all these answers can't possibly be correct.

 

with both examples, if you do the math backwards, ofcourse it will all equal back to $40 just like yours did so just because we can show supposed proof of that doesn't mean it's the right forumula to figure out an average. you have not proven a darn thing yet. nor will you because i don't think you can because not only did you input #'s that are wrong, your forumla is wrong and you don't account for EVERYTHING when all you're doing is trying to take the hight post values in each group. that is NOT an average. at most, it's an average on the high side. what if we take the average using your logic on the LOW side instead of the high side. do you know what the result will be? what would happen if we take the result of the high side and add that to the result of the low side and divide by two. do you know what that result would be using your logic and mine combined?

 

well, i am not going to brag about how i taught math or how math was my major or anything like that but i will still say this is kiddie math

[web_designer 7]

EXCUSE ME, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS NOT PAYING ATTENTION IN HERE.i already answered your questions, in here.

i already give it a value which MAKES SENSE because the post from 2-5 lines i give it an initial value as 0.5 and because the post from 5-10 lines are OBVIOUSLY DOUBLE IN LINES from the post from 2-5 lines therefore i MULTIPLY IT BY 2, same for post from 10-20 is DOUBLE in lines from the post from 5-10 so i multiply it by 2 and so on

i said that before and i will repeat it, SINCE THE NUMBER OF LINES IN EACH POSTS IN A GROUP ARE DOUBLE THAN THE PREVIOUS THEREFOR I DOUBLED THE RATIO EACH TIME TO BE(0.5,1,2,4).

and i didn't came up with this ratio according to the highest number, but according the logic of double in lines = double in ratio, and YOUR RATIO PROVE THAT I AM RIGHT, bear with me hear, you suggested to change the ratio to be (0.25,0.50,1,2)and get these results

group a- 70*.25=17.50group b- 200*.50=100
group c- 100*1=100
group d- 30*2=60

40/277.50=.144144

if you continue then you will get THE SAME RESULTS AS MINE.

o.144*17.50 = 2.52
0.144*100 = 14.4
0.144*100 = 14.4
0.144*60 = 8.64

and these are EXACTLY THE SAME RESULTS I GOT for each group and which they will equal finally 40$

same as your second ratio (1,2,4,8)

group a- 70*1=70group b- 200*2=400
group c- 100*4=400
group d- 30*8=240

40/1110=.036036

0.036*70 = 2.52
0.036*400 = 14.4
0.036*400 = 14.4
0.036*240 = 8.64

also EXACTLY the same value that i got for each group, and their summation will be approximately 40$.

the difference in value of each post every time because YOU USED DIFFERENT RATIO every time but THE RESULTS ARE THE SAME because you are standing on the same basis in here.

and all these ratios lead to the result that i want to prove which is

if i wrote a post from (group A) that's mean a post from 2-5 lines this post will equal or earn mycent HALF the post from group B and quarter the post from group C and quarter the quarter the post of group D.

foe explaining in another way, writing 200 posts from 5-10 lines will equal 100 posts from 10-20 lines, why? because the value of the posts from 10-20 lines is double the value of posts from 5-10 lines. and the posts from 10-20 lines earn mycent double what the posts from 5-10 lines earned.

i hope that PROVED my idea, and i hope i made myself clear.

[The Simpleton 2]

Wow you guys, you're really stretching this matter too long. When I read in the first post that

again please it is all about math and how to get the average of different data inputs, not about mycent.

I thought it would just be about math and sat out of it, but from your discussions it looks like you slowly drifted back towards the mycent issue again. I hope you resolve this thing soon 'coz it seems to be getting a bit too complicated for everyone!

[magnafrost 0]

@Anwii.You learn and then taught math? No offense but I would stay out of those institutes. First of all, you are NOT seeing the logic here. 1/1 = 1; 2/2 = 1; 3/3 =1; and so on! When you are talking about ratios and percentages, the numbers cancel out. Which is why it does not make any difference is the number wd is choosing is 0.5,1,2,4 or 100,200,400,800. They cancel out. The only mistake we made was in assuming that you would know this. We had already pointed out enough times that it was about the ratio and not the numbers. If you are unable to understand that, I suggest you take(as in attend) a course in algebra, and try using the numbers 1x,2x,4x,8x. They'd cancel out and you would get the same result. If you are going to not understand why this x also comes into the picture, it is the end of discussion. Go to some math site, I havent had to because I dont have a problem with numbers. Your problem is, you call it kiddie math and you are applying the same amount of logic that a 4 year old kid would be able to. Grow up and see that you are wrong and accept it. I am sorry for being a little harsh but it is very obvious that you are being adamant on not accepting that you are wrong. Ask experts, learn that and you don't even have to accept that here. Lets call this the end of the discussion.@wdGive it up. I do not see how we can explain it any better. Someone who he accepts is better than math than him needs to talk to him, and not us.

[anwiii 17]

i said that before and i will repeat it, SINCE THE NUMBER OF LINES IN EACH POSTS IN A GROUP ARE DOUBLE THAN THE PREVIOUS THEREFOR I DOUBLED THE RATIO EACH TIME TO BE(0.5,1,2,4).

ahhh! ok. so you are assuming that each post in each group is double. i get ya now. so much for assuming. you are wrong in your assumptions there

and i didn't came up with this ratio according to the highest number, but according the logic of double in lines = double in ratio, and YOUR RATIO PROVE THAT I AM RIGHT, bear with me hear, you suggested to change the ratio to be (0.25,0.50,1,2)and get these results

i think i get you now. you think each group should double in value because you assume a doubled value based on the highest post in a group. hmmm. i would love to agree with you but unfortunately i cant. first, 2-5,5-10,10-20, and 20-40 do all double if you take the HIGHEST #. but you can't take the highest # when this highest # in one group is also the lowest # in another group. even if you put 1-5, 6-10,11-20,21-40 the highest #'s may double but that doesn't prove the group is doubling. there are 5 #'s in 1-5 which means the odds of posting a post with any of those lines in it is 1 out of 5 times. repeat. you can only assume you will be posting that highest # 1 out of 5 times! 6-10, same odds. the interesting part comes now. with 11-20, the odds of posting a 20 line post within that group is 1 out of ten times! in group D, the odds of posting a 40 line post is 1 out of 20 times. you are only taking 5 figures to assume each group is doubling. the total odds of this happening is 5 times out of 40. those are pretty low odds to make assumptions wd.

if you continue then you will get THE SAME RESULTS AS MINE.
o.144*17.50 = 2.52
0.144*100 = 14.4
0.144*100 = 14.4
0.144*60 = 8.64

and these are EXACTLY THE SAME RESULTS I GOT for each group and which they will equal finally 40$

same as your second ratio (1,2,4,8)


0.036*70 = 2.52
0.036*400 = 14.4
0.036*400 = 14.4
0.036*240 = 8.64

also EXACTLY the same value that i got for each group, and their summation will be approximately 40$.

the difference in value of each post every time because YOU USED DIFFERENT RATIO every time but THE RESULTS ARE THE SAME because you are standing on the same basis in here.

n ow we are getting to the nitty gritty!. you see, i look at your title and it says "how to calculate the average from different data inputs". in fact, your whole proof isn't even doubling as you say it is because you are missing math. the ONLY thing that i see doubling is the HIGHEST lines per post # in each group. but i already proved the odds of any one post in that group. even if the odds were 50-50 in each group that the largest post would be posted in each group, it still VERY unlikey that each group is double the worth. you aren't even trying to prove an average. you said it yourself. so why the title to calculate an AVERAGE? all you are trying to prove is that each group should be worth double than the next group. that isn't claculating an average! haha

and all these ratios lead to the result that i want to prove which is
if i wrote a post from (group A) that's mean a post from 2-5 lines this post will equal or earn mycent HALF the post from group B and quarter the post from group C and quarter the quarter the post of group D.

i think you meant to say 1/8 of group d as what you are saying, group d hold 8x the value of group a. but i already proved you were wrong. the odds of any one post hitting that top post in any one group is RARE! it's 5/40 or 12.5% chance.

foe explaining in another way, writing 200 posts from 5-10 lines will equal 100 posts from 10-20 lines, why? because the value of the posts from 10-20 lines is double the value of posts from 5-10 lines. and the posts from 10-20 lines earn mycent double what the posts from 5-10 lines earned.

you don't have to explain it another way. you keep repeating the wrong logic over and over again in this group doubling theory of yours

i hope that PROVED my idea, and i hope i made myself clear.

actually haven't proved anything by your math. you haven't proven that each group is doubled, you haven't proven that .076 is the AVERAGE mycents earned per post if someone posted 400 posts and recieved $40 mycents, and you sure as heck didn't prove that taking the highest value in each group is the correct way to do this math. really, you haven't proved a thing. although, i can discredit ever step of your logic. i thought this was a proof to show the everage mycents earned per post. it turned out to be a post to try to prove that each group doubles in value
now i want to run a more realistic scenario by you. if we are going by 400 posts, then you have to take in the laws of odds and averages which dictate if you flip a coin 1,000,000,000 times, you should notice that the coin lands on heads almost 50% of the time and it lands on tails almost 50% of the time. so we take this same law in to effect with your proof. with 400 posts, 10 will be 1 liners, 10 will be 2 liners, 10 will be 3 liners, 10 will be 4 liners, 10 will be a 5 line post, etc...etc...all the way to your 40 line post. if we use this law of odds and averages which i am sure you would never argue, in group a, you would have a total of 150 lines in group A, 400 lines in group b, 1550 lines in group c, and 6100 lines in group d. this actually proves by the LAWS of odds and averages that each group does NOT double in value. you are not using correct math OR and logic to prove any point. whether it's proving average mycents per post OR proving each group doubles in value. what you are doing is ASSUMING by taking the highest # post in each group and YOU CANNOT ASSUME when you are trying to prove anything and you cannot take only a PARTIAL bit of any one group to try and prove a point.

now that we know that each group does not double in value and this was the only thing you were trying to prove and not the AVERAGE as you stated in your title, we can now lay this thread to rest. i mean, if you are going to argue my proof, you are arguing with the law of odds and averages, wd. and if you ARE going to keep arguing, then whatever your proof is, state it in a way that doesn't go against proven laws in math.

@Anwii.You learn and then taught math? No offense but I would stay out of those institutes

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magnafrost, where in the world did you ever get that i taught math or majored in math? i said i will never brag about majoring in math or teaching math. i never did. math was just a hobby of mine when i was learning to code at the age of 16 and then later on when trying to figure out casino odds. web designer stated that she taught math and was a math major in the chat room. i am not one to try and build up my credentials. also, what do you mean you would stay out of those institutions? i should stay out of school? why do you say that? that makes absolutely no sense bud. i don't take offense to ridiculous comments, sorry and yup! kiddie math. i am sorry you had to follow the band wagon of misinformation. i also think my math is better than a 4 year old but your statement just proves my point that you don't know what you're talking about either
Edited July 14, 2010 by anwiii (see edit history)

[web_designer 7]

god anwiii, why can't you understand what i am talking about, if you said it is a kiddie math then you should understand it.

and i told you i didn't came up with these values according the highest but you keep on repeating that i am. BUT I AM NOT.

and why you keep on digging in small details to prove i am wrong?
it is called hypothesis, and hypothesis created to prove the wrong and the right of the formulas, and in hypothesis we use general information and factors not digging for every single detail.

and your example about flipping the coin is COMPLETELY not related to the whole subject. because flipping coins results only two option either head or tail, and there's absolutely any other factor that will change the result so no similarity in here at all.

whereas i took the calculating the student degree for example because it is the same data.
a student has many subjects and each subject has a certain amount of hours that differs from the other subjects, to calculating the average we should took those hours in consideration.

same as the example here, we have posts that have different amount of lines in each post which should took in consideration when we calculate the average. this is the similarity between them.

AND REALLY, if you still look at it as a kiddie math, then this is the end for me here and i won't reply anymore. i PROVED my idea and i have nothing to say more.

@wdGive it up

i am magnafrost, i won't explain anymore because I EXPLAINED ENOUGH AND PROVED WHAT I MEANT, and thank you for your help in here.

I thought it would just be about math and sat out of it, but from your discussions it looks like you slowly drifted back towards the mycent issue again. I hope you resolve this thing soon 'coz it seems to be getting a bit too complicated for everyone!

yes simpleton, it is all about math but we took mycent as an example so it is obviously to talk about mycent right and sorry if this discussion bothers you, i told everyone in the beginning that this will give you a headache .

web designer stated that she taught math and was a math major in the chat room

said that between us anwiii when we wer chatting, and i said it to state a fact that i know what i an talking about and one of my majors was the math but i never taught math i only taught computer science. but i was calculating students degrees that way, it was a long and complicated way and i hated it but it was the way for calculating the averages of students in college, so don't take it personal please i never underestimate you i know you are smart enough to discuss with me here, so don't take it personally and this is THE END for me now. things getting out of control in here. i stated what i believe and that's it. i will only reply to anyone else who will ask something about my math.

[deadmad7 4]

@ magnafrost , thank you for your explanation you are FULLY understood me in here.

 

deadmad, i didn't start a topic to prove that anwiii is wrong, this is too childish and silly. do you think i am a child or silly?

it is a discussion to exchange knowledge, maybe i am wrong not anwiii, we are discussing to get the right way to get the average this way, and again please pay attention, it is all about math not abut how mycent works? i don't care how it works but i care the way we doing math in here, so i hope you get me in here, and thank you for your reply.

 

Well, it does seem like your are childish and silly -- the whole reason of you starting this topic was to prove everyone wrong -- and even after Anwiii did it the way you did it (which is the out of reach method, you say that it is still wrong, who might be 'childish' and 'silly' here? I don't think you are-- but this topic is.

 

'The Right Way' to get the answer is 40/400= 0.1 mycents, it IS the right way to find the average of all your POSTS. IT IS MORE ABOUT HOW MYCENTS WORKS REALLY, that is the whole little problem here, why can't you just see that you average .1 cents a post? Are you afraid of or something? It's the best of everyone in the forums... $40 bucks in 2 months from the INTERNET? That's hella good.

[web_designer 7]

Well, it does seem like your are childish and silly

thank you for your kind reply deadmad.

[deadmad7 4]

thank you for your kind reply deadmad.

Please read the rest of the paragraph where it clearly says "i dont think you are -- but this topic is". Is that why your mad at me? I think you just didnt read the end of the paragraph or i shiuld have wrote it more understandable

[web_designer 7]

Please read the rest of the paragraph where it clearly says "i dont think you are -- but this topic is". Is that why your mad at me? I think you just didnt read the end of the paragraph or i shiuld have wrote it more understandable

well, i did, but you already said that i am silly and childish in the first and explaining later that my topic is childish and silly make things even more worse. and if you think so, please re think again because in this forum i wrote some silly topics that lead absolutely FOR NO WHERE, but i never called them silly because i should respect other people's opinions and thoughts even if i thought they are useless but they did make sense to them. so, if i can't respect their ideas then i shouldn't expect them to respect mine.

[anwiii 17]

i am magnafrost, i won't explain anymore because I EXPLAINED ENOUGH AND PROVED WHAT I MEANT, and thank you for your help in here.

actually, you didn't prove a thing, but think what you want yes....thank you for supporting wd, magnafrost. she needed all the help she could get haha

anyway, i would do the correct math in evaluating the laws of odds and averages as i mentioned in my last post to prove your math wrong, but i seriously don't want to waste anymore of my time on this. you will find some other way to argue that odds and averages shouldn't fit in with what you are trying to say.

[The Simpleton 2]

actually, you didn't prove a thing, but think what you want yes....thank you for supporting wd, magnafrost. she needed all the help she could get haha
anyway, i would do the correct math in evaluating the laws of odds and averages as i mentioned in my last post to prove your math wrong, but i seriously don't want to waste anymore of my time on this. you will find some other way to argue that odds and averages shouldn't fit in with what you are trying to say.

You seriously don't want to waste any more of your time? Hmm this topic has run into two pages already so it seems too many people have free time on their hands! I hope you all reach a conclusion soon - this show is starting to get a bit boring now

[web_designer 7]

this show is starting to get a bit boring now

yeah i know that simpleton, and thank you to pass by even when it get you boring , just kidding. but really even i won't argue more, and it seems like the topic will end like that: every one have his own point of view and insist on it. and that's make me remember what one of my teachers told me before, he said that math is like a maze so confusing and long way to reach the end but finally all the ways lead to the end.