Nameless_ 1 Report post Posted September 6, 2009 Sorry guys, I'm so very sorry to be wasting your time - again.New questions coming up about blogging... at least there will be more threads to reply to...OK, now, The Simpleton has suprisingly convinced me to move my blog over to Wordpress.org (the installation plug-in thing, not the free hosting platform service), and these are a few questions that I want answered...Someone (won't post names here, but I remember you) told me to install Xampp, so I can work on my blog offline (the templates and the widgets and stuff) before I buy the hosting package off from Xisto and Xisto, but now that I've downloaded it, I really don't know how to use it. When I open the application, there's a grey window with three "Start" buttons next to it, and the words that are next to the "Start" buttons (from top to bottom respectively) are: Apache, MySQL and FTP... now, I have a vague idea on what those terms mean, thanks to you people answering my other threads, but I really don't know what to do, because it doesn't do anything when I press "Start" on any of the buttons...Also, if I go to the folder with Xampp in it, and open another .php file, it will open in the Aptana Studio that someone else told me to download to make my website. Which is weird, because they are two completely different applications and things... I still don't really understand what Xampp is for, I know that Aptana is like a WYSIWYG website builder without the WYSIWYG function (meaning you have to code everything), but how does Xampp relate to Aptana?I'm just finding a way to work on my Wordpress site offline before actually buying the actual hosting package, so I can actually work on something before I go on a hiking camp where I will have absolutely no internet connection whatsoever, and because the first month of a site is very important, I intend to do that after the camp...Just a way to work on stuff off line and not hosted... Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puneye 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2009 (edited) Sorry guys, I'm so very sorry to be wasting your time - again. New questions coming up about blogging... at least there will be more threads to reply to... OK, now, The Simpleton has suprisingly convinced me to move my blog over to Wordpress.org (the installation plug-in thing, not the free hosting platform service), and these are a few questions that I want answered... Someone (won't post names here, but I remember you) told me to install Xampp, so I can work on my blog offline (the templates and the widgets and stuff) before I buy the hosting package off from Xisto and Xisto, but now that I've downloaded it, I really don't know how to use it. When I open the application, there's a grey window with three "Start" buttons next to it, and the words that are next to the "Start" buttons (from top to bottom respectively) are: Apache, MySQL and FTP... now, I have a vague idea on what those terms mean, thanks to you people answering my other threads, but I really don't know what to do, because it doesn't do anything when I press "Start" on any of the buttons... Also, if I go to the folder with Xampp in it, and open another .php file, it will open in the Aptana Studio that someone else told me to download to make my website. Which is weird, because they are two completely different applications and things... I still don't really understand what Xampp is for, I know that Aptana is like a WYSIWYG website builder without the WYSIWYG function (meaning you have to code everything), but how does Xampp relate to Aptana? Sorry Nameless_ I am not using Xampp yet So I have not much knowledge about what are you talking above. I'm just finding a way to work on my Wordpress site offline before actually buying the actual hosting package, so I can actually work on something before I go on a hiking camp where I will have absolutely no internet connection whatsoever, and because the first month of a site is very important, I intend to do that after the camp... Just a way to work on stuff off line and not hosted... Thanks. If you want to run Wordpress blog offline and add other stuffs such as plugins, themes and other you need to webserver that have PHP and Mysql. I know Xampp is also one of the webserver to run it. You are unable to run wordpress blog, I don't know what is the reason because I am not using Xammp. I run Wordpress blog offine using WAMP. You can download freely from WAMP website. Then install it (It is very easy installation-single click installation). After finishing installation run wamp server. Open your Browser like Mozilla Firefox or Internet Explorer then Just type LOCALHOST on you browser's addressbar you will get information about php. It shows your web server and php running smoothly. Now I am going to tell you to install wordpress on it. There is WWW directory on you Wamp Installation for eg. c:/wamp/www/ make a folder naming blog (name doesn't matter) Download wordpress installation package from wordpress.org and copy it to blog folder. Now you need to make a database for your wordpress for that do following process: By default there is no mysql password on installation so you need to put mysql password on it. Left click on wamp icon and go to mysql then Mysql console Just hit enter you will get following mysql> mysql>update mysql.user SET password=password("newpassword") hit enter mysql>where user="root"; hit enter Query OK mysql>Flush Privileges; hit enter Query OK mysql>quit hit enter or just go to http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ to set root password. now open your Phpmyadmin then create a database naming wordpress. Then follow instruction given by Wordpress documentation. I hope you can test your blog offline before buying host. Edited September 7, 2009 by puneye (see edit history) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rvalkass 5 Report post Posted September 7, 2009 Someone (won't post names here, but I remember you) told me to install Xampp, so I can work on my blog offline (the templates and the widgets and stuff) before I buy the hosting package off from Xisto and Xisto, but now that I've downloaded it, I really don't know how to use it. When I open the application, there's a grey window with three "Start" buttons next to it, and the words that are next to the "Start" buttons (from top to bottom respectively) are: Apache, MySQL and FTP... now, I have a vague idea on what those terms mean, thanks to you people answering my other threads, but I really don't know what to do, because it doesn't do anything when I press "Start" on any of the buttons...I've never used Xampp, but this is from people who have used it When you click the Start button next to Apache and MySQL (you don't need FTP) then the word Running should appear in green next to the button, to confirm everything went OK. If it doesn't appear then the installation might not have worked. There should also be a Status button that will tell you a bit more when you click it. Also, if I go to the folder with Xampp in it, and open another .php file, it will open in the Aptana Studio that someone else told me to download to make my website. Which is weird, because they are two completely different applications and things... I still don't really understand what Xampp is for, I know that Aptana is like a WYSIWYG website builder without the WYSIWYG function (meaning you have to code everything), but how does Xampp relate to Aptana?Xampp does not relate to Aptana or have anything to do with it. Your operating system assumes when you double-click a PHP file you would like to edit it. To get it parsed by PHP and the output displayed by Apache you need to open the file in a web browser. Open your web browser of choice and enter LOCALHOST/ in the address bar, and hit enter. From there you should be able to navigate through the folders and find the file you want. It will then by PHP and output by Apache as a web page, rather than as the code. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nameless_ 1 Report post Posted September 7, 2009 Sorry Nameless_ I am not using Xampp yet So I have not much knowledge about what are you talking above. If you want to run Wordpress blog offline and add other stuffs such as plugins, themes and other you need to webserver that have PHP and Mysql. I know Xampp is also one of the webserver to run it. You are unable to run wordpress blog, I don't know what is the reason because I am not using Xammp. I run Wordpress blog offine using WAMP. You can download freely from WAMP website. Then install it (It is very easy installation-single click installation). After finishing installation run wamp server. I hope you can test your blog offline before buying host. Thanks for the tutorial... I've bookmarked this site so I can access it easily when I need to use it, maybe tomorrow when I more free. I just came back from a busy day today and it's pretty late already. I might only make one post on Xisto (this one) today, so I'll make sure it's a good one... But nice blog, puneye. If I can have a blog that's half as good as you're then I'll be extremely happy. And you have your own sponsors too!!! Already... I would say "lucky", though I'm not going to say that because it really doesn't have anything to do with luck at all... it is only the hard work and posts and the commitment that you have put into it that that reflects on it's achievement today... Can someone explain to me what webservers are? If they're not web editors (like Microsoft Frontpage, Dreamweaver and Aptana), then what are they? I think there are some FTP and mySQL and stuff files from Aptana too, so wouldn't that make Aptana a web server themselves? Also, I've done a research on the best web servers. Apparently the Apache HTTP is the best (yes, I did a search on the best web servers without even know what they are in the first place, and no definition or explanation from other sites have worked at all)... and most would prefer Xampp to WAMP, for some reason... lots of technical geeky terms being thrown about, so I really don't know the main reason... But yeah... thought you would like to know that lots of people uses Apache HTTP... I've never used Xampp, but this is from people who have used it When you click the Start button next to Apache and MySQL (you don't need FTP) then the word Running should appear in green next to the button, to confirm everything went OK. If it doesn't appear then the installation might not have worked. There should also be a Status button that will tell you a bit more when you click it. Xampp does not relate to Aptana or have anything to do with it. Your operating system assumes when you double-click a PHP file you would like to edit it. To get it parsed by PHP and the output displayed by Apache you need to open the file in a web browser. Open your web browser of choice and enter LOCALHOST/ in the address bar, and hit enter. From there you should be able to navigate through the folders and find the file you want. It will then by PHP and output by Apache as a web page, rather than as the code. Well, I'm on a Apple Mac Computer, so it might be a bit different. but when I press Start, it will (after a while of waiting), eventually turn the stop (the button I mean, not the actual program). Also, there is a red circle next to the words (FTP and mySQL and the such), and when I press start, and when it turns to "stop", the red circle turns green, though no "Running" appeared on my screen. But I'm guessing that the green circle means that everything is OK... Hey, you know the Wordpress blog you made for my to show me what a CMS was (I still haven't thanked you enough for that...)... is that a self-hosted blog that you install from Wordpress and then upload it on the sever? Like what I want to do now, except on a main domain and not on a page? How did you do that? You described it as, as I recall correctly: "It's very simple to set up, and only requires a few clicks...." Well, a few clicks for you might be a few days of hair-tearing, eyebrow shaving, and self-inflicting pain on myself for me, from all the technical stuff... But yes... Also, the "Blogging for Dummies" book that I've borrowed did have something on cgi-bins, which is one of the folders I see in the Xampp application, so it might have some information on that, though I don't have it here with me right now, so I'll have to check it up tomorrow... But I might download WAMP anyway for puneye and see how things go and which one looks better, I mean... simpler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rvalkass 5 Report post Posted September 7, 2009 Can someone explain to me what webservers are? If they're not web editors (like Microsoft Frontpage, Dreamweaver and Aptana), then what are they? I think there are some FTP and mySQL and stuff files from Aptana too, so wouldn't that make Aptana a web server themselves?A web server is a computer that serves web pages (and other services such as databases, email and such) to other computers. The software they use to do this is also often known as a server. For example, Apache is a piece of software that receives a request for a web page, goes off and finds it on the server, then sends it back to the computer across the Internet that asked for it. FTP allows you to transfer files between a computer and a server, so you can upload the files that make up your site, or download them again later as a backup. MySQL is a database (tables of data and information) that can be accessed by web pages to draw in data to fill the pages up, or check usernames and passwords, or many other things. Aptana Studio is basically a jumped up text-editor, like Dreamweaver or FrontPage. They allow you to edit the code that makes up your pages, but they can't run it, and they can't serve it up to people around the globe. Also, I've done a research on the best web servers. Apparently the Apache HTTP is the best (yes, I did a search on the best web servers without even know what they are in the first place, and no definition or explanation from other sites have worked at all)... and most would prefer Xampp to WAMP, for some reason... lots of technical geeky terms being thrown about, so I really don't know the main reason...LAMP and WAMP stand for "Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP" and "Windows, Apache, MySQL, PHP" respectively. They're acronyms that tell you the basic software needed for a web server, and an easier way to refer to them than typing the four words out in full. Xampp is a program that automatically installs the AMP part (Apache, MySQL, PHP) on Windows. Some people think it is difficult to get Apache, MySQL and PHP set up and working, so Xampp does the whole lot for you to make it easier. Well, I'm on a Apple Mac Computer, so it might be a bit different. but when I press Start, it will (after a while of waiting), eventually turn the stop (the button I mean, not the actual program). Also, there is a red circle next to the words (FTP and mySQL and the such), and when I press start, and when it turns to "stop", the red circle turns green, though no "Running" appeared on my screen. But I'm guessing that the green circle means that everything is OK...Green is generally a good sign It sounds like it means exactly the same, so you should be fine. Hey, you know the Wordpress blog you made for my to show me what a CMS was (I still haven't thanked you enough for that...)... is that a self-hosted blog that you install from Wordpress and then upload it on the sever? Like what I want to do now, except on a main domain and not on a page? How did you do that? You described it as, as I recall correctly: "It's very simple to set up, and only requires a few clicks...." Well, a few clicks for you might be a few days of hair-tearing, eyebrow shaving, and self-inflicting pain on myself for me, from all the technical stuff... That is self-hosted (it's on my web hosting at the moment). It is exactly what you want to do, apart from I put it in a separate folder so I didn't replace my blog with your one Wordpress is famed for its simple installation, and it really is quite simple. Below is the exact process I used to create that blog: Go to https://wordpress.org/.Click the blue button labelled "Download Wordpress 2.8.4" (or whatever version they're on).Click the same blue button on the right.Save the ZIP folder somewhere on your computer, and extract it.Log in to your hosting cPanel and create a database: click the MySQL Databases link, find the section to create a new database, give it a nice name like "blog" and click the button to create it.Rename the file wp-config-sample.php to wp-config.phpOpen the file in Notepad or Aptana or any other text editor, and put in your database username, password and database name where it needs them. Save the file.Use your chosen FTP software to upload the extracted files (it's drag and drop into the FTP program).Once all the files are uploaded, visit your blog and you'll get an installation page.Type in your blog's name, your email address, etc.Done! That looks quite complicated, and I suppose it can be the first time you do it. I'd happily do the installation for you if you wanted (like I did for the demo blog I set up for you) so all you'd need to do would be put in your blog's name and email address when asked, and you'd be done. But yes... Also, the "Blogging for Dummies" book that I've borrowed did have something on cgi-bins, which is one of the folders I see in the Xampp application, so it might have some information on that, though I don't have it here with me right now, so I'll have to check it up tomorrow...You don't need to worry about cgi-bins... They're for running Perl scripts on your web hosting, which you don't need to know or care about Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mahesh2k 0 Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Can someone explain to me what webservers are?Webservers are the machines(for you to easily understand) that processes webpages (be it static or dynamic) on the internet. Static web pages are HTML, while dynamic pages are the one which interacts with database and fetch and manipulate results based on that. Another type of server is application server which is with more functions than webserver, intended for enterprise or highly scalable applications.If they're not web editors (like Microsoft Frontpage, Dreamweaver and Aptana), then what are they?Frontpage, dreamweaver and aptana are web page editor and not web server. These editors offer you capability to edit web pages and upload files to webserver. So difference is those are web editors and the one where files are uploaded are web server. I think there are some FTP and mySQL and stuff files from Aptana too, so wouldn't that make Aptana a web server themselves?Aptana is an IDE. Concept of IDE is easy to understand it allows you to work with multiple languages and files so that you can develop web based applications. I tried to explain it to you in simple way, there are some complex terms involved but this will get you started. Also, the "Blogging for Dummies" book that I've borrowed did have something on cgi-bins, which is one of the folders I see in the Xampp application, so it might have some information on that, though I don't have it here with me right now, so I'll have to check it up tomorrow...There are plenty of ebooks that tells you how to get started with wordpress and blogger. you can type in necessary keyword like "wordpress installation", "using wordpress" type of keywords will let you know more about those wordpress related issues. Also there is officially promoted book on wordpress.org site. That book is very simple and easy to understand for beginners. For using AMPP servers, you've plenty of options. XAMPP, Uniform server and MAMP, WAMP. Out of these options, you can choose uniform server or XAMPP if you're from windows or linux platform. MAMP and Lighttpd is available for mac and windows as well. My suggestion to you is use : XAMPP or Uniform server. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nameless_ 1 Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Sorry people... I thought I'd take a rest from Xisto for a while, in case I have to get glasses or square eyes from sitting too long in front of the computer... But now I'm back and ready to reply!!! A web server is a computer that serves web pages (and other services such as databases, email and such) to other computers. The software they use to do this is also often known as a server. For example, Apache is a piece of software that receives a request for a web page, goes off and finds it on the server, then sends it back to the computer across the Internet that asked for it. FTP allows you to transfer files between a computer and a server, so you can upload the files that make up your site, or download them again later as a backup. MySQL is a database (tables of data and information) that can be accessed by web pages to draw in data to fill the pages up, or check usernames and passwords, or many other things. Webservers are the machines(for you to easily understand) that processes webpages (be it static or dynamic) on the internet. Static web pages are HTML, while dynamic pages are the one which interacts with database and fetch and manipulate results based on that. Another type of server is application server which is with more functions than webserver, intended for enterprise or highly scalable applications.Ah... so that means that I CAN work on my blog without having to put it online first. That's great!!! ...right? So let me get this right. So it's just self hosted, and it doesn't require Xisto or any other hosting company to host it up for you. But because you don't have (well, I don't) all the hosting equipment required to host your site, it will only display your site in the browser, like the IDEs (Apatana and Dreamweaver and such) but they don't have all the other functions behind it, like Databases for usernames (I won't need that), FTPs to download them as a backup site in case your site goes wrong or anything.So in short, a WYSIWYG editor (even without the WYSIWYG part) just lets you work on the "cover" on the front page, like a book, but it doesn't do anything behind it, like all the technical and geeky stuff to load your website up, and have usernames and such. So, in a nutshell... if I want a community and a non-static website, I will need a "-AMP" software, and if I just want to work on the appearance and what it looks like, I will need a Notepad or a SimpleText (on a Mac) or those WYSIWYG softwares... Aptana Studio is basically a jumped up text-editor, like Dreamweaver or FrontPage. They allow you to edit the code that makes up your pages, but they can't run it, and they can't serve it up to people around the globe.OK... I don't need that one. But I won't take it off my computer just in case I need it... apparently it's quite good. People in other forums were talking about it when I searched the web.,,LAMP and WAMP stand for "Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP" and "Windows, Apache, MySQL, PHP" respectively. They're acronyms that tell you the basic software needed for a web server, and an easier way to refer to them than typing the four words out in full.Xampp is a program that automatically installs the AMP part (Apache, MySQL, PHP) on Windows. Some people think it is difficult to get Apache, MySQL and PHP set up and working, so Xampp does the whole lot for you to make it easier. So, it's just basically the same thing? Except that it just installs different parts? Hmm... OK. So, what does XAMPP stand for? Or is it only the AMP part?Green is generally a good sign It sounds like it means exactly the same, so you should be fine.Maybe it was just waiting for me to put in the Wordpress files...That looks quite complicated, and I suppose it can be the first time you do it. I'd happily do the installation for you if you wanted (like I did for the demo blog I set up for you) so all you'd need to do would be put in your blog's name and email address when asked, and you'd be done.No, if I asked you to do everything, it would mean that I won't be learning anything at all, and should you ever not come back for some certain reason, then I'll be stuck with no one to help me, because if the other Xisto members ask what I've done, I will be like:"I don't know! Rvalkass did everything!!!"SO yeah... I'll ask you questions if I get stuck though... that is, if you're not sick of them already... Frontpage, dreamweaver and aptana are web page editor and not web server. These editors offer you capability to edit web pages and upload files to webserver. So difference is those are web editors and the one where files are uploaded are web server.Thanks.. that's know cleared and out of my head. Aptana is an IDE. Concept of IDE is easy to understand it allows you to work with multiple languages and files so that you can develop web based applications. I tried to explain it to you in simple way, there are some complex terms involved but this will get you started.Web based applications? So, you make PROGRAMS with them??? Like, a word processing program like Microsoft Word? Huh??? Well... web based... so it's an online version of Microsoft Word?There are plenty of ebooks that tells you how to get started with wordpress and blogger. you can type in necessary keyword like "wordpress installation", "using wordpress" type of keywords will let you know more about those wordpress related issues. Also there is officially promoted book on wordpress.org site. That book is very simple and easy to understand for beginners.Yeah, they're really good. Especially the blogs that are about blogging (metabloggers do that).For using AMPP servers, you've plenty of options. XAMPP, Uniform server and MAMP, WAMP. Out of these options, you can choose uniform server or XAMPP if you're from windows or linux platform. MAMP and Lighttpd is available for mac and windows as well. My suggestion to you is use : XAMPP or Uniform server. OK... I'm got XAMPP... so that's alright, I think. Wait. Apparently you can put Uniform Server on a USB stick, when you can't do anything with XAMPP. Hey, that's cool! I can work on it at school too... I'll download it down too and see how it goes... I've got a 250G Hard Drive, so it should be big enough, I hope...But then, can't you just drag the whole XAMPP folder and dunk it in your USB/Hard Drive? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
