Suggestions For Version 3 Of The Credit System

[Saint_Michael 3]

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That idea is flawed in itself because then so many users will abuse it. Because non-hosted members don't lose credits each day, they could just build up a lot of credits (i.e. 500 or so) very easily, apply for hosting + domain and BAM! They don't have to post for 320 days and all that hosting space is wasted...

csp4.0 your post is illogical because when it comes to free hosting people don't want to wait and since I been hear not to many build up months and months of credits. Some post enough for like a 2 weeks and then come back and do it again. Using your example of 500, someone would have to post 167 posts that are worth 3 credits apiece. Of course some posts get less some get more, but I know most people who have come here to get free hosting want it now. Besides that has always been something everyone wanted changed.

Forbez, yes most of them have been mention , but I take an idea from you and t hat has to do with the rating system we have on this forum right now. Each rating is worth a certain amount of credits and of course if you got a spam rating your lose a certain amount of credits. I know people won't like that idea because it takes away from your credits, but it is better then them getting removed and losing 1.5x the credit amount.

Speaking of Loss of credits, we all know about the 1.5x credit loss if a post gets deleted, I say change it to the amount of credits lost in that post instead of losing a lot more. Sure most of the veteran posters here wouldn't be spamming in the first place, but it always good to make the credit system equal for everyone.

Lets another idea would be to do birthday credits when it is someone's birthday.

[jlhaslip 4]

Lets another idea would be to do birthday credits when it is someone's birthday

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One credit for every year of age? Mich and I would like that one.

and who would monitor whether a Member changed their birthdate on a weekly basis to receive extra credits once a week?

[Nabb 0]

10 credits for your first birthday, 10 credits for your second, and -51 for your third :)To anyone who falls for the trap - LOL!

[Forbez 0]

Thank your rvalkass and Saint_Michael for reading and reply to my suggestions.

Lets another idea would be to do birthday credits when it is someone's birthday.

I totally agree with this one. A little present for the person from the Xisto family.

and who would monitor whether a Member changed their birthdate on a weekly basis to receive extra credits once a week?

Well make sure members can't change their birthdays. No real need to change your birthday from registration, only reason would be that they put in the wrong date to start of with.

[innosia 1]

in fact this credit system is quite burden me.. If a day is deduct 1 credit point, that means that our hard earn credit will be gone easily. For not letting that happen we need to online a lot to ensure our credit is enough, thats a bit too pushing. How about not taken any credit point daily? Or maybe 3 days a credit instead?I have an idea, what about lottery for 10 most active user, a weekly lottery that gives them extra credit points? hohohoho

Edited September 2, 2008 by innosia (see edit history)

[DeM0nFiRe 0]

Interesting topic....
But we need to understand that the credit system is OpaQue's brain child and can be coded, configured and handled only by him. Credit system 3 too will be coded by OpaQue and no one so we might have to wait for a bit before it comes online..

Now coming to the ideas :-

This is a good idea and am sure will be possible as a similar feature is used for Feedbacker (Iguest) where a guest is send an email with the link to the topic.
Like electriic and SM said, we do not want any spammers coming here posting one liners and then teleporting to another dimension. The main reason that OpaQue had tweaked the Credit system in this way is because he firmly believes in nothing but quality. Quality posts = Quality hosting. Spammers do not get hosting.. well except for one spammer I guess

There is no point of a forum if there is nobody to participate in it, It would merely turn into a bank where you deposit/withdraw your money and then never visit it.. Xisto was designed to provide knowledge and encourage friendship through quality
An excellent and very useful idea but the most difficult to implement as it would involve a LOT of coding to make sure that credits are not deducted, to automatically suspend upon the click of a button and so on..

Instead of that I can always recommend that you deposit all of your credits in your bank(manage page) and then send a support request mentioning the period of inactivity and your login details. We will make an arrangement so that your site is not terminated but simply suspended..

How would this be difficult to code? Add a simple bool value to the profile "Paused: True/False" If Paused, suspend account and do not deduct credits, Else site is open and credits will be deducted. I mean, maybe the credit system is coded to akwardly right now to be able to make this change, and in that case it should be recoded anyway! It should never be difficult to add a feature as simple as that, if it's too difficult someone didn't do their job right in the first place.

hey, here's an idea for the new crdit system, how about we get back the 10 credits we all spent to reset our passwords when the server messed up? We were told to wait until the problems were fixed and the problems have never been fixed. Wool over our eyes or what?
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A good idea for the credit system would be to add another way to get credits. Play games or answer trivia or something. It'd be pretty fun.

[rayzoredge 2]

Here's a quick and dirty suggestion:

 

Add a credit multiplier for the little award/notation things that people get. You know those little symbols next to some of our names? People score their symbols thanks to being around regularly, being recognized, and consequently, being active. I think it would be a great way to make people more active and in a good way on Xisto. Let me explain this a little better...

 

We all have the option of clicking on a symbol for someone's post to show everyone else that the poster is agreed with, helpful, confusing, funny, or even a frequent spammer. Those of us that are on Xisto frequently become recognized for the kinds of posts that we make. We are agreed with, thanked, disagreed with, etc. If you bring more attention to this feature, regulars as well as newer posters will be encouraged to "rate" other posters as it is a very quick way to do so. Just click and make up a common opinion about someone!

 

It won't be a bad thing because people may have an off-experience and rate someone as unfriendly or whatnot, but if that person is normally nice and just rubbed someone else off the wrong way, the 10 Thanks, 3 Agrees, and 2 Informatives vs. the 1 Unfriendly rating will explain that off-experience. It would be a good thing because it will encourage people to get rid of that dreaded trash can icon next to their names... and this following suggestion will be why.

 

Have positive credit multipliers for good ratings, and negative credit multipliers for bad ones. Here's my idea with numbers:

 

Useful - x 1.25

Zing - ?

Thanks - x 1.25

Informative - x 1.30

Gold Star - x 1.10

Disagree - x 1.10

Agree - x 1.10

Artistic - x 1.25

WTF? - x 0.95

Spam - x 0.75

Good Idea - x 1.25

Unfriendly - x 0.85

Bad Spelling - x 0.95

Funny - x 1.10

 

Basically, what I'm trying to say is to encourage ratings, and with those ratings, people will add the corresponding multiplier in factoring how many credits they receive from making a post at the time of that current rating. Say that I'm a frequent spammer and I've earned that pretty trash can next to my name because a dozen other Xisto members think I have nothing good to contribute. Now for every future post that I make since my inception of that trash can, I will only earn 75% of what I would normally earn as a regular, normal poster. Now who would want that?

 

On the same token, if I'm on a lot and contribute a lot of good ideas to Xisto to make it a better place, or offer informative posts, I can earn those symbols and consequently earn more credits for my extra efforts and insight on matters that I participate in. Once I earn that i symbol, I'll be earning 30% more credits than a normal poster would.

 

This would remove the requirement for a favorites system, discourage spam and one-liner posts, and encourage moreso of an active, engaging online community.

 

What if people don't rate others?

 

Why wouldn't you? It's one click, you don't have to do anything else, and it helps everyone else out.

 

What if someone is unpopular?

 

That's why I put Disagree as a positive multiplier. Someone may be disagreed with a lot, but that person is bringing another argument to the table, which incites different sides to a story instead of having a ton of posts that basically say the same thing and only displaying one side of an issue.

 

I think that this would be a positive change. We might lose some members because of the whole popularity race, but would they have been worth keeping if all they wanted to do was post a bunch of jargon just to earn credits?

 

Also, I know that English is not the primary language of some if not most of the members on Xisto. That's why I didn't put too much of a stress on the negative multiplier... not to mention that there could be something where you can notate that English is not your primary language, in which case the Bad Spelling symbol can be waived as a multiplier.

 

Edit: Also, I want to include a sort of expiration for the ratings... because someone could be stuck with a dozen Spam ratings from a few years ago, but only some people just recently gave that member some Informative ratings and his or her dozen Spam ratings will reflect that he or she is still a spammer. On the same token, someone could have a bunch of Agree ratings and just sit on that rating, earning the multiplier forever until people actually realize that he or she is a spammer and actually rate him or her as such. Something like ratings fading away after a month, regardless of what the rating was or the member's activity. This will maintain the need for ratings to be a regular occurrence, but like I said before, why NOT take the extra half-second to click once to let others know that someone is a spammer or informative member?

 

There are ways to possibly abuse this, but I won't outline them (for obvious reasons). If this idea is a serious consideration, someone can PM me or the moderators and Opaque can talk amongst themselves to work out the kinks.

 

Thoughts?

Edited September 2, 2008 by rayzoredge (see edit history)

[-Sky- 0]

Good idea Razor. Rated. Yeah, I think this should be in production too. And maybe, some other suggestions for the site too. Like an Arcade (As I have said before), IBStore, and a testimonials page about Xisto services.

[Saint_Michael 3]

I would have to agree but I say make it simpler and you might have explained this but it is pretty late for me , but I would add the multiplier to the post itself, meaning when a person ears the default number of credits and then when they get rated they earn some more based on that rating.Example begin someone earns 10 credits on a tutorial and then divide the multiplier like so (informative) 1.30 divided by 10 = .13 credits.I know it doesn't seem a lot, but if you multiplied it people be getting 13 credits a rating, but with the division it keeps it small enough then the credits will build over time. Over time as the ratings increase people will start nulling the 1 credit loss, but of course Xisto would have to enforce the one IP per login to keep people from rating their own topics and posts and what not.

[DeM0nFiRe 0]

I think you misunderstand the concept SM. The multiplier would mean that instead of getting 10 x 1 credits for a regular post, you would get 10 x 1.3. This would mean you get 3 extra credits for being helpful, not 13 plus the other ten.Plus, if you do it your way, you get more credits for smaller posts. if you get helpful for a one word post (ok it's unlikely) you'd end up getting like 1.3/.01 which would be 130 credits.

[csp4.0 1]

The idea is really good and I totally agree with it. Except there are several minor flaws with the idea of ratings...For example mallory doesn't like victor. Mallory creates 5 different accounts using different proxies. Logs in and gives Victor many bad reviews (i.e. SPAM! Bad Spelling, etc)... So Victor will get less credits per post.A way to combat this "flaw" would be for people to only be able to rate a topic after they get above "x" number of posts and don't have warnings (not sure about that one)... That way, Mallory would have to get "x" posts for each of Mallory's accounts before being able to rate Victor as a bad person.Also consider a "credit bank" where a user can store his or her's credits safely and all the credits inside the "bank" aren't affected by the fifteen-minutley deduction of credits and that they would be able to take them out at will. The idea may seem a bit "unnecessary" but it would be a very good comeback for people that somehow "forget" about Xisto for a while and go under lets say... -25 credits. Their hosting is on the verge of extinction. And they don't have the time to post. They open up the Credit System and go into their bank and pull out lets say 30 credits they put in there earlier.Problem solved...

[Nabb 0]

I think the rating-credit system is easily exploitable, and shouldn't be implemented...

Also consider a "credit bank" where a user can store his or her's credits safely and all the credits inside the "bank" aren't affected by the fifteen-minutley deduction of credits and that they would be able to take them out at will. The idea may seem a bit "unnecessary" but it would be a very good comeback for people that somehow "forget" about Xisto for a while and go under lets say... -25 credits. Their hosting is on the verge of extinction. And they don't have the time to post. They open up the Credit System and go into their bank and pull out lets say 30 credits they put in there earlier.

Other solution: Don't put 30 credits in bank. The user will have 5 credits.

Also note that there is already a credit bank.. whether you can transfer from the bank to yourself is another question - and there is 3% surcharge on transfers, so you'd lose 3% (or 5.91%?) of your initial deposit to commission when sending to the bank and then to yourself.

Edit) Credit transfers:
When you try to transfer credits, if you don't have enough it tells you how many you have minus 30 as the maximum you can transfer.
This is incorrect due to the 3% commision. What should be displayed is (curr - 30)/1.03. A fix would be useful
Edited September 15, 2008 by Nabb (see edit history)

[rayzoredge 2]

Okay... so my quick-and-dirty suggestion was kind of... dirty. What I'm now primarily concerned with now though is the whole deal where ALL of your present credits are wiped out after signing up to be hosted. I shouldn't really have to worry about it, but 1800+ credits down the drain just because I missed the memo would not exactly make me happy when I do decide on hosting... Can that be a HUGE suggestion towards the new credit system?

[isdrobotica 0]

I think there should be some sort of reward if we choose to post in our site advertisment of Xisto and/or our blogs or whhatever means of comunication...that has a counting system like if I have a blog and many people visit it daily and I have an advertisment then that means a lot of publicity has been made for Xisto...or like If I post in myspace or facebook advertisment of Xisto...of course in our own account not on somebodys else...because to be honest this is forum has a lot of integrity and I will rather post an avertisment of Xisto than of viagra and etc etc...just my thoughts

[TheDisturbedOne 1]

So you don't make 2,000 credits and then not come back for 2,000 days.

I still see Saint_Michael here ^_^I think that the credits should be displayed in a member's postbit, like iTrader in vBulletin, just so that others can see if you are just coming here when your credits are down.
I know that this has been suggested, but more points if you post 1 post a day as opposed to seven posts for one day in a week. It will encourage people to come here and check back more often, then to just come here and post for a few hours and take the week off.
I, of course, use this forum to host my website, but I'm not going to be one of those losers who comes here JUST for hosting and their posts are a one liner that was probably copied and pasted. Don't be one of those people