Obesity In Young Children Who is to blame?

[Wetton 0]

Obesity in young children.

Obesity seems to be a growing concern, particularly in England and America. Obesity in young children seems to be an even bigger concern. Some people beleive that it is the parents fault, for letting their children eat 'Junk food.' Some people think that the fast food industry is to blame, for advertising their foods without mentioning that it is in-fact an un-healthy option. But whose fault is it really?

.:.Parents.:.
I understand why people think that the parents could be to blame, they should be aware of the content in foods such as McDonalds, or Burger king. Because the kids may not be aware, the parents should be responsible for making sure that their children get the nutrition they need, and that they are healthy. But is it really the parents fault? When their children are out with friends, they may choose to go to a fast food restaraunt for dinner, the parents cannot be at fault if the children are out with friends, they cannot possibly keep their children in sight at all times, children need freedom (To a certain extent.) So lets explore the other possibilities.

.:.Fast Food Industry.:.
Many people blame the fast food industry. They should warn people in the adverts, that the food they produce is of high fat/salt content. Children today aren't aware of the dangers of junk food. They don't necessarily choose to eat junk food because it tastes nicer, but more the way it is promoted. Children see eating as a social occasion; and children see the contradiction between what is promoted in theory and what adults provide in practice. Children do not see it as their role to be interested in health; children do not see messages about future health as personally relevant or credible; fruit, vegetables and confectionery have very different meanings for children; children actively seek ways to exercise their own choices with regard to food.

.:.The Children.:.
Whilst most people believe that it is the parents, or the fast food industry that are to blame, there are a few who beleive it is the childrens fault. It should be their responsibility to check what they are eating, and be aware of the risks. Most children are aware of the risks, but then choose to have the food anyway. The fast food industry provide the food, btu don't we all have the power to say 'No'? Aren't we all responsible for our own health? We are not obliged to buy the food, just because it is there. The fast food industry only produce the food, but this does not mean that the children MUST gorge themselves.

Obesity is a growing concern, and there are many theories as to why the numbers of obese children are growing. There is no real answer to this dabat, but I would love for this topic to turn into a debate, and we can hear different views from different people.

Thank you.

[bishoujo 0]

I don't think the people behind fast foods and their ads can really be blamed. They are here to make a living. If they wanted to advocate healthy lifestyles for the sake of the people, they would have gone to do something else. Besides, I don't think warning people actually works. In my country, a lot of people like to eat oily greasy food from roadside stalls although we know perfectly well that it is unhealthy and sometimes, unhygienic. People go for what appeals to their stomach when it comes to food, not what appeals to logic.Perhaps the best solution would be to educate children from a young age in school about healthy eating habits and a healthy lifestyle. You can eat fast food and not get fat, if incorporate enough exercise into your lifestyle. I do agree that parents are also largely to blame. They should educate their children too and not indulge in their children and let them have whatever they want. Then again, some parents are fans of fast food and other unhealthy foods themselves.

[Wetton 0]

I agree that the parents should educate their children as to the dangers of fast food, and should not give in as easily. But when they say obesity in young children, they don't just mean little tots. Anyone up to the age of 16 is still considered a child, and so teens often contribute widely to the number of obese children.

 

At this age the parents cannot be to blame, it is reccomended that you give teenagers freedom, and let them go out. If this happens, the parents cannot be blamed for giving in to their children when it comes to fast foods, because they are not there to be asked.

 

It would be great if they taught children from a young age about the dangers of fast foods, maybe a topic in science. This would make children think about what they are eating before cramming it into their mouths.

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.:.Parents.:.

I understand why people think that the parents could be to blame, they should be aware of the content in foods such as McDonalds, or Burger king. Because the kids may not be aware, the parents should be responsible for making sure that their children get the nutrition they need, and that they are healthy. But is it really the parents fault? When their children are out with friends, they may choose to go to a fast food restaraunt for dinner, the parents cannot be at fault if the children are out with friends, they cannot possibly keep their children in sight at all times, children need freedom (To a certain extent.) So lets explore the other possibilities.

The morbidly obese children are the ones who are fed the fast food from a young age at home by parents. And you can't blame them. Fast food is cheap and tasty food that young children enjoy, more importantly it's cheap. This means people on a low income can afford to feed their families.

 

Solution?

 

Tax fast-food and use the money to subsidise healthier foods or lift some of the taxes on oil or alcohol. Not the most popular solution but it will make healthy foods cheap and more desirable for poorer families.

 

Also, if you ban ads for fast-food like they've done for cigarettes, then you decrease the demand by children for fast-food products. (Unfortunately, if you do this, the laws of supply and demand tell you that fast-food will become cheaper and increase the parents' want to buy it!)

[Wetton 0]

I agree that maybe the price should be raised so as to promote healthy food options, or better yet, lower the price of healthy foods. The children at that age cannot be to blame for obesity, I suppose. But like I said, there is no correct answer.This debate has been going on for many years, and still no conclusion has been reached. I suppose it depends on each child in question, as to whose fault. But to be honest, I think people are making way to big a fuss over it. Its up to the child/parents (depending on age off child) to look after them, the government needn't get involved, if I'm honest.Thanks for replying, I'd love for more people to show their opinions.Thanks.

[electriic ink 1]

Its up to the child/parents (depending on age off child) to look after them, the government needn't get involved, if I'm honest.

You see, this where the socialist side of me kicks in. If you look at various points in history where people have disagreed with governments intervening with the welfare of the people, it turns out that in the end intervention was the right thing to do.

 

Example :: Liberal Reforms, UK, 1906 - 1914

 

The UK was in serious poverty and someone needed to do something. The Labour Party promised help and the Liberals were worried they'd lose votes to them so they introduced a series of Reforms to keep the punters happy. These reforms included helping children, the unemployed, the elderly and the sick. They were popular with everyone but the rich, the House of Lords and the Opposition. However, nowadays the government giving out benefits like this is applauded; in order words, it is acknowledged that the government should interfere with the welfare of the people.

 

SO, let's NOT make the same mistake this time. Parents are poor, fast-food is cheap. Spot the link! Parents know full-well the dangers of this food but it's a choice between cheap food or starvation. If they were your children, what would you choose?

 

You want the problem solved, this is how you solve it!

[Wetton 0]

I totally see where you are coming from, the government wouldn't have a job if it didn't need to be enforced, but surely in the case of obesity, frankly if they decide (klnowing the risks) that they wish to idulge in fatty foods, and gorge themselves, then quite frankly, its their fault.I understand that its fast, affordable, and easy, but you can make meals for a lot less if you are willing to put some work into cooking, and not just resorting to the unhealthy option. Those who are un-willing to try, and put some effort in, don't deserve help, they are aware of the risks, they should be the one to take action.I know that sounds harsh, and perhaps it is, but I think if people have a problem with being fat, or any other aspect of their looks, then its up to them to fix it. Either go to the gym often, (Or just excercise casually with friends, E.G. Football) and/or dont eat as much fast food. Theres nothing wrong with fast food, but its like the Greeks said, all things in moderation.thanks.

[electriic ink 1]

My apologies for not replying, Windows XP went mad after I tried a technique I found on the Internet to improve my computer's speed (guess I had it coming I suppose )

 

I totally see where you are coming from, the government wouldn't have a job if it didn't need to be enforced, but surely in the case of obesity, frankly if they decide (klnowing the risks) that they wish to idulge in fatty foods, and gorge themselves, then quite frankly, its their fault.

Smokers know the risk of starting smoking: does that mean, then, that in the UK the NHS should not provide stop-smoking clinics for addicts and that adverts for cigarettes should not be banned? Despite, people knowing the risks, the government has intervened.

 

I understand that its fast, affordable, and easy, but you can make meals for a lot less if you are willing to put some work into cooking, and not just resorting to the unhealthy option. Those who are un-willing to try, and put some effort in, don't deserve help, they are aware of the risks, they should be the one to take action.

A typical family has two parents who work from 9.30am - 5pm and get home at 6pm, tired and exhausted. They don't have the energy to make proper to dinner some of them. It's a lot easier to eat fast-food or stick something in the microwave. I can assure you that 500g of mincemeat; a few carrots, new potatoes and a broccoli is more expensive than a Big Mac and chips.

 

 

I know that sounds harsh, and perhaps it is, but I think if people have a problem with being fat, or any other aspect of their looks, then its up to them to fix it. Either go to the gym often, (Or just excercise casually with friends, E.G. Football) and/or dont eat as much fast food. Theres nothing wrong with fast food, but its like the Greeks said, all things in moderation.

The typical cold-blooded capitalist. People who are upset by being fat and are still eating fast-food are heading for depression. You've got to stop these seemingly petty issues before they develop otherwise you will have a much greater problem on your hands. And depression is terrible, takes years to get out off and leaves a permanent scar on your memory.

[gaspe86 0]

It all becomes a chronic cycle of who is to blame, well everyone is; the parents for not educating their children, the children for not caring for themselves, the fast food franchises for putting the food their and bormbarding the world with propaganda, and the government for not doing anything. This is a topic where everyone points fingers, that is the easy thing to do. Yet, we must see this from every single perspective. Parents: The greatest mayority (the common class) has both parents working full time. That means you have parents arriving past 5 pm at any given afternoon. What happens between the time parents leave for work and arrives... ideally kids are in school til say 3 pm. The crucial part, is that 2 hour lapse when children are under their own supervision. What can a parent do if their kid is hungry at 3:15 pm and "oh" Mc Donalds happens to be in the way home? Not much, take away there allowance? For what? Being Chubby? Don't think so. Children:Sure they should control what they it and excercise regularly... but hey most consider Physical Education meeting the daily excercise amount "required." Again Mc Donalds is in the way home and trust me a dollar menu double cheeseburger tastes better than a ham a cheese sandwich. A coke hits the spot perfectly, water does not quite hit it. Fast Food Franchise Hey they are just making money, you put the bucks they give you a burger. If they wanted to sell healthy food, they would have started that long time ago. The same goes with beer franchises, cigarrettes, etc.Government:Hey Mc Donalds contributes more than you do, why limit them?Lets see, who are the healthy kids and who are the unhealthy kids. Those doing extracurricular activities are the healthier ones... is it because they do more excercise? Probably, but what is also a fact is that the gap between school time and parents being home is iliminated by this activity. Its because those childrens have less time to think of Mc Donalds in the way home.

[Wetton 0]

No problem electric, reply in your own time.I can see what you mean about the dangers of smoking, and people getting help, why shouldn't it be the same for obesity? It shouldn't. I'm not against them getting help, but I do think its their fault. People who die of lung cancer from smoking, yeah its sad, and maybe a little harsh, but they were the ones to choose to take up smoking in the 1st place, they were ware of the risks.The government have banned smoking in public places such as restaraunts, mainly cause it damages other people health too, via passive smoking. its not like they can just ban eating in public places such as restaraunts though.There are a number of groups out there dedicated to helping people loose weight. Weight watchers, Fat fighters, Slim fast. There are many solutions, but some people just arent taking it upon themselves to try and sort it out.And Gaspe, you're right, there is no real answer to this dilemma. I see why its easy and convenient, and how some people dont have the time. But there are many cheap and fast solutions. Many foods can take as little as 10 minutes to cook, but just take the effort. If people were willing to put in the effort, then perhaps there would be less obese children in todays society:Pasta- This can take as little as 20 minutes, and if you cant be bothered, you could always use the pasta sauce in jars, rather than making your own.Sausages- By frozen sausages in a bag, they only take a few minuits too cook, sure its not the healthiest food in the world, but its a damn sight better than McDonaldsInstant mashed potato- This goes with anything, and doesnt take long cause you buy instant, none of that mashing up potatoes yourself.Theres no end to the list. Use fast food every once in a while, but do not over indulge.Thanks.

Edited May 1, 2008 by Wetton (see edit history)

[electriic ink 1]

I can see what you mean about the dangers of smoking, and people getting help, why shouldn't it be the same for obesity? It shouldn't. I'm not against them getting help, but I do think its their fault. People who die of lung cancer from smoking, yeah its sad, and maybe a little harsh, but they were the ones to choose to take up smoking in the 1st place, they were ware of the risks.

People aren't perfect - they make mistakes. Don't tell me you've never done something that endangers your health or personal safety just because it seems like a good idea at the time. (If you haven't, you will). The thing about smoking is you do it once and you find you're not addicted yet, you do it again and until you do find yourself addicted. It draws you into a false sense of security.

 

The government have banned smoking in public places such as restaraunts, mainly cause it damages other people health too, via passive smoking. its not like they can just ban eating in public places such as restaraunts though.

No, that would be stupid.

 

There are a number of groups out there dedicated to helping people loose weight. Weight watchers, Fat fighters, Slim fast. There are many solutions, but some people just arent taking it upon themselves to try and sort it out.

FatFighters

 

People aren't taking them up because they're lazy and these weight-loss "clubs" cost money. People are by nature inconsiderate to the future and despite how much they get told, don't quite comprehend the consequences of their actions. Why do think people still take drugs? They know the risks inside out, sure, but something about human nature does not stop them doing it. It's not a fault with the addicts specifically, it's a fault with people in general. Put yourself in the situation where you go to a party, all your friends are smoking and they offer you one, what do you do? Deny? They'll only keep bugging you until you do...

 

 

Pasta- This can take as little as 20 minutes, and if you cant be bothered, you could always use the pasta sauce in jars, rather than making your own.

 

 

Sausages- By frozen sausages in a bag, they only take a few minuits too cook, sure its not the healthiest food in the world, but its a damn sight better than McDonalds

 

Instant mashed potato- This goes with anything, and doesnt take long cause you buy instant, none of that mashing up potatoes yourself.

 

Theres no end to the list. Use fast food every once in a while, but do not over indulge.

No vegetables in your quick meal suggestions then?! For all the good a meal of sausages, pasta and instant mash potato will do you, you might as well be eating burgers - at least they come with lettuces and tomatoes in them!

[Wetton 0]

Yes it would be stupid to ban eating in restaraunts

People aren't taking them up because they're lazy and these weight-loss "clubs" cost money.

Yes, people are lazy. It is up to them to pull their fingers out and try something. Some people should set up local weight watchers or whatever clubs for free, I suppose. But who cares if it costs, good help doesn't come cheap. For those less fortunate who can't afford it, thay can still excercise and choose to eat healthily. Fat fighters and weight watchers mainly work because its easier to loose weight if you have the encouragement from other people trying to do the same, much like stop-smoking groups. I'm sure everyone can find a fat-friend who they can talk to and they can both diet.

You are right, I have made mistakes that endanger my life, in fact- most of my hobbies include risking my life (Free running with friends ETC) But I'm not stupid enough to blame the government if I fall, like the obese society are blaming others.

Y'know what really grinds my gears? Fast food restaraunts saying their meals are healthy cause they have a slice of tomato with them. They still have the same fastty foods, but they are havving MORE by having salad, too. This is actually even more unhealthy cause people are still eating the fast foods, PLUS the salad. Although salad isnt bad for you, it doesn't mean that the food it touches also isnt bad, otherwise everyone would rub lettuce on their chocolate before eating...

Irealise there are no vegetables in my examples, but everything can be served with salad rather than fries/beans or whatever else you would serve those things with. I did say the list goes on, and it does. Salad is just one of the many quick and easy options.

I have realised that people don't like salad because of hgow it is viewed globally. People on T.V saying "Eat your greens" to their children and what-not, who refuse because it is nasty. People don't want to try Salad because they dont think it will taste nice, due to how people talk about it. This plays a big part in why people try fast foods, too. It is viewed as the tasty sustinance, and so people choose it over a healthier meal.

Thanks.

P.S- I know it seems I'm arguing with you but I am greatful for the replies XD Good discussion to be honest.
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[electriic ink 1]

Yes, people are lazy. It is up to them to pull their fingers out and try something. Some people should set up local weight watchers or whatever clubs for free, I suppose.

Lol - the "can't someone else do it?" attitude. But anyway, someone has, the NHS run numerous stop-smoking programmes, advertise on TV and lots more. Help is there. But no-one is forcing people to quit as it's their personal choice and withdrawing free help for cancer victims caused by smoking would be seen as taking away that right to choice. Because of this right, there will always be some people who choose against and they have the right to get free treatment.

 

But who cares if it costs, good help doesn't come cheap. For those less fortunate who can't afford it, thay can still excercise and choose to eat healthily. Fat fighters and weight watchers mainly work because its easier to loose weight if you have the encouragement from other people trying to do the same, much like stop-smoking groups. I'm sure everyone can find a fat-friend who they can talk to and they can both diet.

You do know Fat Fighters isn't a real weight-loss club?!

 

Anyway, I am not fat myself and I do not know any fat people although I do know of fat people. I'm sure they wouldn't want to be diet-buddies with me even if I were fat. Life's not as simple as you make it out to be...

 

You are right, I have made mistakes that endanger my life, in fact- most of my hobbies include risking my life (Free running with friends ETC) But I'm not stupid enough to blame the government if I fall, like the obese society are blaming others.

That's because you make the choice to do free-running totally independently. Your parents didn't take you free-running with friends from a young age, like fast-food addicts were; and the media did not pressure you to either. Never underestimate the power of parents and the media.

 

Also, if you did fall, I bet you would expect the government to provide you with nurses and a hospital bed, despite knowingly undertaking those risks.

 

Y'know what really grinds my gears? Fast food restaraunts saying their meals are healthy cause they have a slice of tomato with them. They still have the same fastty foods, but they are havving MORE by having salad, too. This is actually even more unhealthy cause people are still eating the fast foods, PLUS the salad. Although salad isnt bad for you, it doesn't mean that the food it touches also isnt bad, otherwise everyone would rub lettuce on their chocolate before eating...

By advertising their food as healthy, they are persuading the more health-conscious people to join and perhaps eat some of their less healthy food. The power of the media. And because fast-food addicts were and still are, under their control, as it were, they keep on going; it is not their fault: they should get free help.

 

I realise there are no vegetables in my examples, but everything can be served with salad rather than fries/beans or whatever else you would serve those things with. I did say the list goes on, and it does. Salad is just one of the many quick and easy options.

Chips are easier than salad. Salad takes time to prepare. Cutting up all the fruits and vegetables etc... It might sound stupid but that is their mentality and they won't see the other way. It is, whatever you say, still easier just to go down to McDonalds. Besides that, you can't have salad every night because it would get bland and boring.

 

I have realised that people don't like salad because of hgow it is viewed globally. People on T.V saying "Eat your greens" to their children and what-not, who refuse because it is nasty. People don't want to try Salad because they dont think it will taste nice, due to how people talk about it. This plays a big part in why people try fast foods, too. It is viewed as the tasty sustinance, and so people choose it over a healthier meal.

Again, the social impact of the media means that it is not the addicts' fault. Why do you therefore not agree that help should be provided for them to stop?

 

 

P.S- I know it seems I'm arguing with you but I am greatful for the replies XD Good discussion to be honest.

Tis a good discussion...

[Wetton 0]

Yes, I do know Fat Fighters isnt real (Little Britain ftw )You say that salad takes time.. Seriously, if they are too lazy to be bothered cutting up some veggies then its purely their own fault that they are fat. And life is simple if you know hoe to play it right, why wouldn't people want to be diet buddies with you? Knowing that theres somebody else doing it with you gives you the determination not to let them down, you dont see a problem with letting yourself down, but you'd hate to let somebody else down. The NHS adverts on T.V say you are 40% more likely to quit with them, than if you go it alone. I don't see how it would be different for belly-busting.As far as I am aware- There IS help for those who seek it- FREE. Most people seem to be embarassed though, and don't have the courage to go to a gym or weight loss club. I can understand why, tbh, I can see it must be hard.Yes, the media does have a HUGE impact on how food is viewed, and I agree they should get help- I'm not saying that they shouldn't. What I'm saying is they should be prepared to try, they'll get nowhere otherwise.This thread was supposed to be a 'Who's to blame' thread, and its turned into more of a 'How to loose weight' Thread, still a good topic none the less.

[rabidrabbit 0]

The problem seems to be twofold as in a lack of eduction reguarding diet and the rubbish found in food now adays.It seems that in the UK most obesity is most commomn on families on a low income bracket, due to this cheaper food stuffs are bought these are mainly processed foods. These foods stuff are usually made with stuff you will not want to know! Such as recovered meats, which the taste and apperance are changed drastically with dyes added sugars added salt etc. This is not health food but if you are on a budget, combined with working late, this is what you are going to be servering your kids. Needs must, this trend started in the 80's and now those adults raised then are giving their offspring the food that they have always known.Its these kids that must be educated in proper eating, along with govermental sancations on the food producers.Once the chain is broken obesity levels with be reduced and the only reson why the goverment is now watching over this issue due to the cost of the health service wil have to pay in the long run.But another factor to take into consideration is that the way the media portrays the ultra slim giving the impression that certain persons although having a safe and suitable body maybe deemed as obese.