Islam, Not Terrorism Proving you wrong

[sweet_princess 0]

KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE - Many people say that Islam promotes violence, war etc. BUT it actually doesn't. What Allah does say is that do not be afraid when the kafirs (non-believers) start war with you. Islam only tells Muslims to put the fire out once it has been lit up, not to light the fire ourselves because that would be a sin. Allah Himself says in the Qur'an:

"...For persecution is worse than killing" Surah Al Baqarah, Chapter 2, Verse 217
"But the other's mind imposed him on the killing of his brother, so he slew him and became one of the losers" Surah Al-Maidah, Chapter 5, Verse 30

"Even if thou stretch out thy hand against me to kill me, I shall not stretch out my hand against thee to kill thee, lo! I fear Allah, the Lord of the Worlds" Surah Al Maidah, Chapter 5, Verse 28

Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says:

"If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge."
[Al-Quran 9:6]

The Quran not only says that a Mushriq (an person who does shirk [idol worshipper, does not accept Allah]) seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, dont just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?

This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Quran to promote peace in the world.

What you think about Osma and the rest, I'm not so concerned. They are so called "Muslims". However, regarding the information above, they might call themselves Muslims but they are not Islam itself. Judge a religion by what it actually teaches, NOT by the people who follow it.

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Edited June 5, 2008 by sweet_princess (see edit history)

[Plenoptic 0]

I agree that Islams aren't out to kill. But some of them are mad at us for coming into Iraq and may try to kill. I'm not saying all Islams are bad though because I have a few that are my friends. But every since the 9/11 attacks people are questionable of different people coming into the country and go paranoid and think that all are bad. I think it's wrong that this happens and something should be done but I don't think anything can until the war in Iraq is over.

[Yacoby 0]

KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE - Many people say that Islam promotes violence, war etc. BUT it actually doesn't. What Allah does say is that do not be afraid when the kafirs (non-believers) start war with you. Islam only tells Muslims to put the fire out once it has been lit up, not to light the fire ourselves because that would be a sin.

This also annoys me, I have seen it mentioned as if it was fact in many places, including this forum that Islam is a violent religion. It may be because the only time people see Islam mentioned on the news it is something to do with terrorism, then they have got the idea that Islam is a religion that promotes violence. It may also be something to do with misquotes from the Quran, or miss understandings. There was a thread a while back where someone had quoted part of a paragraph from the Quran (unintentionally I think), so you couldn't get its full meaning.

But some of them are mad at us for coming into Iraq and may try to kill.

And you wouldn't be mad if someone came into your country and created a civil war, which is basically what the west has done. Creating a huge power vacuum and disbanding the army wasn't the best of ideas. Muslims in the middle east seems to be much more devout, more like christians in the middle ages so they share a stronger bond between countries.

[bhavesh 0]

Judge a religion by what it actually teaches, NOT by the people who follow it.

Very good quotation. I agree with you, there are good and bad peoples in every religion. Some people misinterpret their religious books and try to make and unite a group of people to fulfill their individual needs.

Economy in many of the Islamic countries is weak, which generates anger and terrorism for their survival. I am Hindu and in Huduism also their are many naxalites group, who have organised only because of unemployment.

[sweet_princess 0]

Thank you all for understanding that Islam is NOT a religion of violence, everyone has intelligence only some are sealed. Thanks Bhavesh, I thought of the quote myselfAnd yes Yacoby, the terrorism that is in process is nowhere near anything to do with religion, it is to do with something else.Iraqis bomb America, America bombs them back...How long is this going to go on for?

[LSD 0]

jazak allah khairn ya okhtii wish all Iraqs will have better future

Edited October 21, 2006 by LSD (see edit history)

[Avalon 1]

I feel sorry for Muslims and followers of Islam. It is apparent Osama and his kind have chosen this religion to try and justify their activities. I have met many Muslims (presumably followers of Islam) that are people just like everyone else, they too are horrified by the activities of terrorists. Unfortunately the acts of a few claiming to be followers of the religion has tainted the reputation of genuine followers. While it is hard not to be suspicious of all Muslims because of this, in most cases the suspicion is not warranted. It is no more warranted than to say that all Christians are murderers based on the activities a few people.And for those that might have preconceived ideas about me and my motives for this post. I live in Australia, I do not follow any religion, but I respect the right of others to follow what ever religion they choose.

[Madkat-Z 0]

This whole topic kind of makes me sick to know that there are people who are crazy enough to taint the name of a religious group with blood and try to justify killing in the name of their religious beliefs. To me that makes no sense that you should go off and kill someone because someone just told you or because it is written on some holy doctrine that you should. No matter what religious beliefs you follow, killing and murdering is not holy or godly in anyway. If I where told right now by some higher being to go kill someone right now, I wouldn't because I know that life is a precious gift and only should be taken away by that higher being. Anyway it makes me sad to know Islam, a religion that very name means Peace, is tarnished in such a way by these mad men who call themselves the servants of Allah. However, every religion has its mad men/women who try to bend religious scripts to fit/justify their own needs.

[Dragonfly 0]

One must understand that there are religious fanatics who form a very small percentage who are however taking their religion for ransom. They have hijacked the whole idea. That had happened with Christianity, and now its happening with Islam. The silent majority must come out and condemn these people less topics like this will continue be seen in many forums online.....

[Jon Jon 0]

Good debate but I dislike these type of topics.

If I where told right now by some higher being to go kill someone right now, I wouldn't because I know that life is a precious gift and only should be taken away by that higher being.

Something more precious than life is the passport to heaven and getting 72(wrong amount?) virgins to fulfill your sexual needs in heaven. That's what the muslims believe.
Edited November 9, 2006 by Jon Jon (see edit history)

[truefusion 3]

[. . .] and getting 72(wrong amount?) virgins to fulfill your sexual needs in heaven. That's what the muslims believe.

The amount is correct, but i think you got two religions mixed up. Islam does not speak about 72 virgins being in Heaven. And i'm pretty sure there will be no sex in Heaven.

[Jon Jon 0]

The amount is correct, but i think you got two religions mixed up. Islam does not speak about 72 virgins being in Heaven. And i'm pretty sure there will be no sex in Heaven.

There are two religion that believes that way. Hindu and Islam if I'm not mistaken. Hindu is the Nirvana concept. Islam is also the same.

[assasinkilla 0]

Islam, very different of terrorism, i heared a lot of people telling that.... ya those muslims only wants war, and kill innocent people.... WHAT THE .... Islam is a religion how the ..... will be bad.... Tell me a good religion that wants war.... So please stop saying that about islam, and muslims......Im with GOD who is vs me?.... (love this phrase) (sounds better in spanish) xD

[mojoman 0]

I find it sad that since 9/11, topics like this actually have to be put up to remind people that islam isnt evil.

 

anyone who says islam is a violent/evil religion is a total, utter moron, and probably has a bad memory, because if i remember correct, there was absolutely no dispute on the matte before 9/11.

 

The only people more moronic that these are the Al Qaeda, and other noobish clerics/organisations that have twisted the religion into a weapon to use against the west. Why cant they just get some guts - they can preach anti-US stuff if they are pissed at the US, but to say it's what god wants is just medieval...

they've even twisted the passages in the koran about Jihads, though in fairness, the medieval saracens did that against the crusaders as well.

In the koran, a "jihad" is indeed a "holy war" - a holy INTERNAL war, in which you defeat the evil INSIDE OF YOURSELF.

I kinda wish that wasnt in the koran, its pretty easy to twist to what it is believed by many to mean today

 

 

@ jon

ya ive heard that one before...can you get the koran quote where it says that? thanks..

 

 

/endrant

 

PS

nice quote assasin

[Lethe 0]

the only real verdict is the media. Yes a small group of militants blew up a few buildings. If you step back and take it all in on a global perspective it's utter crap. They've blown up the story to such extent that we can hardly make sense of reality. To associate a muslim with terrorism is like a reflex.Don't blame the kid in the street who's had his brain turned to oatmeal by the media. He can practically visualize you holding RPG under one arm right now. Blame those money hungry bastards who corrupted your religious image.AS a side note...Society has turned to crap, and our children into programmed drones. We get so caught up in all our so-called progress that we lose touch of what we truly are. Human .