sounds like a bunch of cheap Physicists to me, who wish to have everything working perfect rather than needing to buy more than one item. i basiclly pay for no software though so i can definatley see that an alternative is sought after. anything good people tell me about, i will find the trial, then download a patch/crack/keygen insted of paying, as i feel alot of the software is overpricedit is not hard to get cracks and *BLEEP* for free, someone posted 'gamemaker version 6' up in the programming section of these forums, and i now own the full verison, free