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while i personally do not believe in the mayan calendar, i do not think pathofneo is 'unreal' in believing it. do we all have to follow the georgian calendar set up by the Christian West? i do not think so. if someone believs in the mayan, aztec, or vedic calendar they have every right to do so without westernised purists asking them to get real. what makes u think you're own calendar is true? or not inspired by earlier calendars for that matter?anyways, no i do not think Humanity will end anytime soon, and anytime soon for me extends for a remarkably long period. speaking of calendars and time measurements i believe in the ancient vedic dating systems and according to them mankind goes through waves of peaks and valleys, currently is the period where the cycle of time is such that we are experiencing a bad reign, but we are not going to end.....come 12000 AD (yes we will survive that long) Humanity will reach a peak again, a Utopian crest if u will..

to me it seems as if you are making a simple concept difficult. to ask who is slower or who is shorter reveals that u dont understand relativity. when we ask who is slower we cannot answer that without asking 'relative to' because as Einstein showed time itself gets curved when a body is in motion. life for the people on the planet will go as normal even if it seems slower to us.....life of the people in the spaceship will go normal too but it will seem slower to the ppl on the planet, that is wat is meant by time dilation. of course they are not illusions, they are products of the einsteinian discovery of relativity, when 2 bodies are moving relative to each other there is time dilation, no matter how fast or slow one is travelling.even if im running and u are stationary our clocks will move at different speeds, we dont notice this only because the difference is very miniscule at the speed im running at.

yes, if we keep relativity in mind then we cannot travel faster than light as Einstein declared, but his own later investigations into quantum physics and seperate works by various minds reveals that when dealing with the bizzare laws of quantum physics, relativity and the speed of light as a limit break downrelativity says that nothing can travel faster than light, not even information. Thus when a hydrogen atom goes bust (hypothetically) in andromeda there is no chance that this event would happen somewhere else in the universe simultaneously as the information would travel maximum at the speed of light.......however we see through repeated experiments in quantum physics that this does in deed happen sumtimes and information can travel faster than light, instantaneously in fact.this has some startling implications on matter and mind as we understand it. quantum laws are now making it increasingly clear that the human mental consciousness directly interacts with the matter around it......ancient Chinese and Indian texts claim that the mind and matter are both two forms of the same one energy, something that quantum physics is starting to believe.the way i understand all this then is such: - due to relativity, we cannot ever travel faster than light, because we have a mass and as such our mass would need to be pushed infinitely to travel faster than light.....but the very components of light, photons, are massless!!!thus we can travel to the stars provided we are massless, how do we do that? we use our mind. i do not mean imagination but that if we can understand the interactive relationship of mind and matter, we might go to any end of the cosmos using our mind as the propulsion drive, as the hyperdrive or as the improbability drive

we talk of how humanity has failed us and how in the next 50 years or so people will fight nuclear wars, but by another decade it will be us youth who will inherit this earth, so if we say tht humanity will indulge in the ghastly act of nuclear holocaust we mean that WE will nuke each other, which i refuse to believe, the younger generation is becoming increasingly aware of the dangers that are plaguing us and most probably will seek to secure them.as for the question for alternate sources of enery, we are still experimenting on the controlled fusion of deuterium which is an isotope of hydrogen and is abundant in the world's oceans. If we can manage to fuse this in a controlled manner we have an almost unlimited supply of energy since ocean water is more or less renewable. I think in the next few decades this dream will become a reality and we will have a new source of energy.by 2050 the US will definitely not be the sole superpower. I read only today that China has stated tht it will NUKE the US if the latter intervenes in Taiwan, the world is already emerging bipolar. Almost all UN and private agencies also say that by 2020 India would have emerged as a superpower greater than Europe and possibly China......we can no longer look at the future as being dominated by the US whose technology is now lagging and which is heavily outsourcing itself to China and India, these Asian countries will emerge as giants and it will be a new game when we have the US as the world police, China as the defiant dragon, and India as underestimated powerhouse.

i dunno about this island but i have read somewhere that the Yellowstone National Park in america is a volcano that is 60 years overdue.......when this volcano erupts (which could be anytime now) it will be worse than a full fledged nuclear attack on America and the results would be lethal

seems to me like new technology revolves around computers for everyone. but i think that soon we are going to acquire the ability to fuse hydrogen in a controlled environment which will open up all the worlds ocean's with their deutirium as an abundant source of energy

kaputnik raises a wonderful question and this is what cosmology eventually seeks to unravel...questions like wat was before the Big Bangfrom wat i have read here and there so far, the universe IS the space and space IS the universe itself. To use rashid's own example, the crumpled piece of paper when put in the jar does not resemble our current model of the universe, if the paper is the universe then it HAS to fill the jar as there is not space outside the universe......of course we may be wrong about this but there are certain things we have to asuume before we set off on our cosmological theories.mayb one day we find that this is only one in a series of infinite universe, that our universe itself is as small in the whole picture as a proton is in this universe. theories abound and right now we can only speculate.

i have nothing against religion either but let us settle this here that before Christ the word 'religion' did not exist. It came about as a need to differentiate between Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Before that religions in India and China went hand in hand with scienctific development. It is written in the Vedas that "blind faith in God is not acceptable, one must understand why things are such and such to understand the mind of God and only then begin to believe in him." they also say that "whether one calls the wind a wind god or merely the wind, he is talkin of the same thing and no view is wrong"even atheists were respected in those societies and there was no such thing as the Law of the Church, every man could find his own way to the truth. Science was put down only after Christianity, not before it. And in the B.C. eras wars were NOT fought for religion, but for territorial supremacies. Even the world wars were not fought entirely for religion. The first was a result of european rivalry for colonies in africa and asia and the 2nd was fought for one man's belief of 'racial' superiority,not 'religious'

NASA has already conducted an experiment where a group of people lived in a controlled enclosed environment for a year. They simulated conditions similiar to those on mars and had to grow their own food and take care of their waste. NASA has announced plans to try and establish a similiar base on the moon, and eventually on mars.I think human colonisation of other surfaces is going to turn into a reality soon. The stuff we say will be real.....battery run cars, robots etc is because this is what we have heard from the media recently....but human colonisation of planets has not been given attention due to its proximity with science fiction which somehow remains a taboo with the working society.way i see it is tht by 2050 we will have bases on both mars and the moon, and further conflicts might not be for oil or land on earth, but for resources and minerals on other planets. if the US has a base on moon let us say then till another country established one of its own the US owns moon's resources, and then if India for example gets its own base, how will they decide the sharing? Being the only species in this solar system with ability to transport long distance, we are destined to spread across the Sun's family at least.

It's been more than 48hours since that post and i still do not see anything that would make me believe the big bang theory, where's your clinching evidence?

Well, not that this should matter but i prefer we give the name Vedic Scriptures and not Hindu scriptures because the very name 'Hindu' was coined by the Greeks and Arabs and is not a name existing newhere within Vedism. Coming to the issue at hand, the Vedics hold the belief that this is not the only universe in existence, there are infinite existing presently, were infinite existing before, and infinite will exist in the future. The possibility of infinite universes is incidentally emerging out of quantum physics and einsteinian philosophy too. Moreover, one can say that there universe cannot be eternal as 'God' must have created it, someone must have created it! But then who created God, an often asked question i admit. Now, first let me give the allegory of a bacteria that lives for 10 seconds and a civilisation that lives for 10000 years. Can the bacteria even begin to fathom the time the civilisation lives for? Is not the civilisation immortal and eternal for the bacteria? mere semantics you might say. Take mankind as the bacteria now. There exists the Primordial Being (call it God, Allah, or Vishnu, whatever pleases you) which is primordial not because it was created first, but because it just was there before us. This Primordial Being is the universes and it manifests itself as the 3 gunas i mentioned, as humans, as stars, as protons and electrons. In short this Being is Everything; That Which There Is. Everything comes from the Being and shall go back to the Being. now 20^12 human years is the time this Primordial Being takes to blink an eyelid (this is an approximate of a calculated number). Modern physics proves that it is highly possible in the gravitational and time-dilating world for beings to exist that live at a time scale entirely faster or slower than us. To us they may take a second to do wat takes us days but to them everything goes as normal. The time taken to blink an eyelid is called a Nimesh and the Primordial Being lives for a 100 years. So 20^12 Human years is 1 Nimesh for the Primordial Being. If you can calculate how many human years the Being lives for, then you might have decoded Vedism, but there is a catch: Vedism believes that time and life is a circle, a cycle. Before this age of humanity there was another and there will be one after. Similiarly before this Primordial Being there was another and there will be either. If i give u a circle can u tell me where it starts? If i draw a circle before your eyes you might tell me where I started the circle from but this circle of existence was not drawn by us or in front of our eyes, hence we cannot determine where it started from or where it shall end. That the galaxies are forever expanding might be proof of Big Bang but Jain philosophies says that even the universe is still under construction. A tenet of String Theory says that universes are being constructed even now! One might take birth right under your legs but it would not affect our space and time. It is by this philosophy that Vedism says that the universe is eternal and immortal. It is backed by 2 basic laws of physics of conservation of energy and mass; neither can be created nor destroyed, only transformed from one form to another. Thus this universe was never created, it came out of a previous one, the previous one came out of its predecessor and we go on without reaching an end point. This concept is totally different and new to you i understand and i felt equally bewildered and confused when i heard it for the first time but i see the sense in it now and have come to believe it, fuelled by the amount of scientific laws and findings that back it or are similiar to it atleast. More on vedic cosmology coming in further posts. In the meantime does anyone know of other theories apart from this and the Big Bang and the 6 days of creation ones? Truly, only God can know, but Vedism believes that our real Self is our soul, the physical body is only a vehicle for the driver. This soul or Real Self is a part of that Primordial Being, that Divine, and hence if a human can attain the recognition of his Real Self and free himself from the recognisation of the Self as the physical body, he becomes one with the Divine and witnesses the Ultimate Reality that is known to 'God'. This viewing of Ultimate Reality is what happened to Buddha when he attained Nirvana. Only God can know but since 'I and my Father are One' I can know what my father knows by practicing the told methods. small correction, i mentioned the 3 Gunas as rajas, samat, and tatva but they are rajas, sattwa, and tamas. sorry

sorry sorry my mistake. yes i intend this to be a discussion and i just started it, i have much to say abt vedic cosmology which cannot be summed up in just one post.one of the basic premises abt vedic cosmology is that the universe is eternal, it was never created and will never be destroyed, how that works is a long explanation i shall give in the coming posts. but anyways this eternal universe exists due to a balance of 3 states called the 3 Gunas ( 'u' pronounced as 'u' in ubermenschen and 'a' as 'o' in son):Rajas: action, activitySamat: lightTatva: inaction, idlenessThe equilibrium of these 3 states maintain Existence. When one state exists more than the other 2 a different form of matter or consciousness is created. Guna in the vedic language of Sanskrit means a string, or strand. I have not found anything to back this up but im developin my own theory of connection between this meaning of Guna and the nascent String Theory. Vedic cosmology says that the universe is maintained by a balance of 3 strings where if one string is more a different matter or consciousness is produced and String Theory says that the most fundamental particle is 2 strings vibrating in different frequencies to produce different dimensions and sorts of matter. I find this similiarity highly intriguing and seek to find more. Any opinions are highly welcome.Ofcourse there is more to Vedic cosmology and what happens as a result of the balances of these 3 strings i shall explain in the coming posts as the complete overview of our cosmology is quite long.One thing i would like to mention is that vedic cosmology is completely independent of the hindu and vedic religions. One can explain this philosophy without ever mentioning hindu Gods and i shall try to do the same to as to keep religion out of this discussion at least on my part.

Yes, the Big Bang is a theory of the universe's birth, but i notice that no one hardly mentions other theories. I dont know many others myself but I know the Vedic cosmology pretty well and this is what i will share here, my request that ppl with alternate theories of creation (apart from Biblical which is far too often said) please share them.Amrit

Plato was not the only one who wrote about Atlantis, he was the only one who called the region that name. Numerous other mythologies from the Aztecs and Mayans to the Norse, Hindu, and Chinese ones talk of a great civilisation, lightbearer to its contemporaries, being drowned out by the ocean and sinking forever.Here we must also refer the to Great Flood which again appears not only in Christianity or Judaism but also in Islam, Hinduism, and Chinese mythology. I think that there is a high possibility that it was in this Great Flood (for which there is now scientific proof, it happened millions of years ago, as claimed by Hindu and Chinese mythologies) the island of Atlantis was drowned and this truth over time became legend and now myth. Do u think this is a possibility?

well, when we ask will a robot ever be human, then the answer is plain simple 'no' bcoz we define 'human' as what we are, and will never accept a replacement.but can robots have consciousness? free will? desire? though that day is very far off it will come and yes one day we mite have robots of the sort but since we will be creating them we have every rite to create them as it pleases us. if it was us creating pandas and tigers then we could kill them wantonly too but we dont thus they are independent creatures.

Well in the Brief History of Time Stephen Hawking says that if in the future we do learn to time travel, then we should be visited right now by people from the future, but since that is not happenin time travel atleast into the past would not be possiblethe string theory, in short, states that after atoms-protons-quarks come 2 uni-dimensional strings that vibrate with different frequencies to produce different sorts of matter. according to it there may be as many as 7 more dimensions apart from out known 4 of space and time.

Let me say first that Vedic mathematics is derived as already stated from the Vedas which are the religious texts of the Hindus. To credit the Arabs with much of the mathematical discoveries is a blunder. The Arabs themselves called 'Math' as 'Hindse' which means 'from India'!! It is from Vedic mathematics that we get the concept of '0' without which i doubt math and science would have gone much far.Secondly Vedic mathematics was NOT formed in around 1500 B.C., that is the sort of stuff said by the same people who discredit the Vedics with their mathematical achievements and its part of the Imperialist propaganda during Britain's rule over India. The Vedas, as ample proof now dictates, were written around 12000 B.C (yes, that early) and Vedic mathematics was written then. Apart from that for millenia the Vedas were transferred orally, they were only written in that period, known for much longer.In 1879, a team of French and British mathematicians visited a Vedic mathematician in India who solved many problems in his mind quicker than they could buy punching numbers in their calculators. A bewildered French mathematician asked "Is this magic??!!" to which the reply was that "It is magic till u do not understand it, after that it is pure math"I have personally tried 4 of the 16 Sutras of Vedic Math and they are awesome to say the least. Mind, the easier it is to solve problems by Vedic methods, the tougher it is to learn the methods in the first place, one needs immense practice, but once u master it, numbers are nothing but toys, really!!To people interested i could name the Vedic mathematics book i studied, i borrowed it from a friend and i forget the name of the author and the publisher but i can get it if required.

Seems to me that the confusion is dual and everyone is solving only one. Yes neither mass nor energy can be created or destroyed. Mass of a baby does come from all the biological stuff that has been mentioned and i am not knowledgeable about. But what about the energy? Apart from a physical and biological question, this issue is also psychological or even metaphysical. The energy of a baby can also be equated to its consciousness. The glucose, sucrose etc does give it the ability to move and walk etc, but why does it move and walk? that in itself is also an energy but since energy cannot be created, where does that come from.Many might not appreciate that im including religion into this but the truth is that the principle of reincarnation is far seperate from just a religion. Almost every psychic in the world today claims that reincarnation is true and most of the Eastern religions do the same. A baby's energy is not created but is derived from its soul which has in the past inhabited many bodies and is a storehouse of information and experience. This philosophy ofcourse creates so much more questions but that perhaps deserves a thread of its own. Suffice to say that yes, energy is not created, a baby has it because the REAL baby is within the physical body and has "always been there". To explain this concept of "always been there" take the example of 2 creatures on of which lives for 1 second and the other for 100 years. To the former the latter does in fact live infinitely and the former does not possess the ability to fathom a period of 100 years, hence terms it infinity. The baby derives its energy from its infinite and eternal existence.

I dont mean to offend anyone here but for all those people who say that aliens cannot exist because the Bible says so, this very Bible once said that the Earth was flat and that it was the center of the Universe. Apart from that, let us take our understandings of aliens beyond ET and Independence Day please, and beyond religion more importantly. In this regard it is also essential to differentiate between aliens and UFOs. UFOs a exaggerated stories fueled by the US intelligence itself to direct attention away from its fast advancing technology.Before i say whether i believe in aliens or not, let me bring the famous Drake's Equation to attention, developed by Frank Drake in 1961 to detemine the amount of alien civilisations in the milky way galaxy:N = M * Fp * n * F1 * Fi * Fc * FlN: number of communicating civilisations in this galaxyM: number of stars in the galaxy (100 billion..)Fp: fraction of stars with planets around them (20% - 50%)Ne: Number of planets per star capable of having life (1-5)F1: fraction of Ne where life could evolve (0% - 100%)Fi: fraction of F1 where intelligent life evolves (0 - 100%)Fc: fraction of Fi where communicating life evolves (10% - 20%)Fl: fraction of the planet's life during which the communicating civilisation lives (highly variable and uncalculable)using values from the above ranges and 10000 years for Fl we find that 1000 civilisations is the answer.No, the Drake's Equation is not perfect, nor is it an equation in the real sense. Apart from Earth we know of no other planet to satisfy his criteria but this equation is revealing because it was the first to attempt an age old question scientifically without conspiracies or Biblical references. It is the start to what might one day be a formula that would give us the conclusive evidence. For more information on Drake's Equation simply type the same in google. I am a Hindu and that too one who believes in the old Hinduism which existed before Christ and was a culture, not a religion. According to it we are taught first and foremost never to assume anything superior or unique about the human race. What is happening to us here, today; is happening to other somewhere else too in an endless chain of infinite universes. Those souls there are aliens to us and we are the same to them.It is absurd and ridiculous to believe that in a universe to unimaginably huge Earth is the only planet to hold life, that just cannot be my friends.