Anarchy Would it work today?

[BooZker 0]

What is Anarchy you say? No it has nothing to do with Punk Rock or criminals. Anarchy is,"Absence of any form of political authority. " Here is a passage from Wikipedia

The word "anarchy", as most anarchists use it, does not imply chaos, nihilism, or anomie, but rather a harmonious anti-authoritarian society that is based on individual self-determination and personal involvement. In place of what are regarded as authoritarian political structures and coercive economic institutions, anarchists advocate social relations based upon voluntary association of free individuals in autonomous communities, mutual aid, and self-governance.

How would a society with a goverment work? Well a man Pierre-Joseph Proudhon (an Anarchist)said

To be GOVERNED is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be place[d] under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality." (P.-J. Proudhon, General Idea of the Revolution in the Nineteenth Century, translated by John Beverly Robinson (London: Freedom Press, 1923), pp. 293-294.) With that in mind read on.

People also ask what about police, fire, and rescue? Well in a true Anarchist form of society people would make them, themselves. They would be like a private business.

 

Another thing people always ask is how would money work. Money would work by how many hours your work. Yes its a honor system in a way, but one mans job in a job would be to see if they came to work then gave them a slip with how much they worked. So example 1 hr = $1. People that could not work would be helped by others. Unlike in America today wher ANYONE can get free goverment cheese, these people would actually have to be incapable of working. America today if you have back pains you get your life paid for. (Remember that there are many forms of Anarchism and this is just one.)

 

So do you think this would work in the world of today? Some very smart people were Anarchists such as Albert Einstein. I will not say my opinion, but for sure i think some of the ideas stated by Anarchists would be great while others just would not work in today's world.

Edited April 29, 2006 by BooZker (see edit history)

[True2Earn 0]

Where are the quotes? You cut & pasted a large portion of your post from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Joseph_Proudhon (about two-thirds down the page). There are rules regarding posts and to intentional not use quotes is considered spam as you are merely trying to rack up credits. Your post should be:

To be GOVERNED is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be place[d] under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality." (P.-J. Proudhon, General Idea of the Revolution in the Nineteenth Century, translated by John Beverly Robinson (London: Freedom Press, 1923), pp. 293-294.)

as quotes are not counted toward your post. Edited April 29, 2006 by True2Earn (see edit history)

[BooZker 0]

Actualy no im not trying to get points. I just use wikipedia because they have everything on everything. And sorry about not using the quotes i just totaly didn't think about it. I just was writing an article. Please don't ban me or delete this post. I was just trying to start a topic.Plus i fixed it. Sorry. I didn't know about the point system and that quotes make a difference.

Edited April 29, 2006 by BooZker (see edit history)

[jlhaslip 4]

Thanks for fixing that. As you see, we here at the Trap are somewhat anarchistic (?). There was no "authority" which placed the burden upon you to repair your mis-quoted topic. The members here do just fine, often enough. Thanks to their diligence, there was no need for Moderator intervention, kinda like a lack of Government wouldn't you say?

[BooZker 0]

Actually thats exactly what it would be like. I mean it would be like me doing that and then fixing it or me fixing it after going to jail or court.

[LocalSeer 0]

Anarchy can work well in small systems, but it fails conpletly on micromanagement(hence the waste on corruption), why should a men work 10 hours of hard manual labour when he can spend 10 hours of typing as a secretary and get paid equal. That's why communism failed, repairmen would be sent to a house needing replacement lights and instead they take some of the good ones and put bad ones in place. Just look at the U.S. Navy. A fleet out at sea can have a carreir, several destroyers, submarines, and cruisers all bunched up, and somehow they always have enough food, fuel, ammunition. The fine accountability of personal and cargo allows them to move smoothly. When a person goes overboard, almost immediatly within minutes the captain can know who is missing, or when something goes bad exactly, where, when and who. All the paperwork the military does is so extensive there is no way someone can check it all, it makes sping on personal possible but money inefficent and ineffective. Yet no other way could a carrier have dozens of planes in such a small space and each one knowing precisly what to do. There are benefits to willingly constraining yourself like increased productivity and we in the Navy have absolutly no restraint when it comes to partying(hence the clubs/poolhalls on base.

[BooZker 0]

Very true. Isn't a bit odd too that we have all these computers, radars and more but the USA could not find Osama... hmm... lol Off subject, but...Yes, in small systems it would work, but after so many people it can't purely because of the need of someone to take command and tell them what to do.

[adriantc 0]

To be GOVERNED is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be place[d] under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality." (P.-J. Proudhon, General Idea of the Revolution in the Nineteenth Century, translated by John Beverly Robinson (London: Freedom Press, 1923), pp. 293-294.) With that in mind read on.

That are some nice words, but lack any substance. Because what he said are only ideas, he said "it would be great if ...". But you can't build something starting with "if". What he said can never be put into practice. A society like he said can never hold more then a few months, even weeks.

Well first of all I have to declare myself a strong supporter of any form of guverment and law. If I could change the laws, death penalty would be a lot more common. Law MUST exist and laws MUST be enforced (by any means). Further more I would kill off democracy since I think the people (taken as a whole) do not have the wisdom not the control necessary to guvern themself. They can be (and they have been) easily manipulated. So in order to escape that "To be GOVERNED is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so.", I would create a special class of people grown from infancy with virtues like selfsacrifice and wisdom, with knowledge and inteligence. They should rule the world, in the benefit of all people not of themself. Of course they will not be perfect, but they will be as near to that as possible. They must be as objective and fair as possible and rule with an iron fist

Well I was off topic so ... going back to anarchy... Anarchy means lack of guverment and laws. Any guverment is better then no guverment. Just think what would happen when somebody would say there is no law anymore, you can do whatever you want. Do not think people are sweet little angels. We have dark desires coming from our animal origins, but that desires are stoped by the existance of laws and punishment. An anarchyst would say "Rules are made to be broken". It is also true that when you say "don't do that..." people usually do it just for the fun of not obeying. But that are only exceptions. A society has made connections between individuals, break that connections and society as we know it will fall. People can't simply be taken as individuals. We are too many to be taken as individuals. Further more our reactions (as a mass) can easy be read and anticipated. People are a lot more predictable when taken as a whole.
What I understand anarchysts want is a society where people would do whatever then want, be whatever they what. Simply thinking about that and multiplying with 6,5 billion people will cause 6,5 billion problems. So anarchy is not good at all. Globalization is the exact same oposite of anarchy... people coming together and, besides some aspects which I will not state now, I think globalization is good since it will allow a much bigger improvment in our life style. Mixing people will, in generations, kill rasism and the problems it generates. This is a dream as old as civilization itself and its sure it can't be realized thru anarchy...
Edited April 30, 2006 by adriantc (see edit history)

[wariorpk 0]

I do not agree that anarchy would work, especially not today. Having basic services run by private companies is not a good idea. Corruption and crime would be very widespread. It is impossible for people to have a society without laws and stuff because people can do what they wish since their will be no laws to break. Anarchy benefits criminals and government usually benefits the innocent in my opinion.

[BooZker 0]

adriantc i do not agree with you at all your talking about Kings and Queens. If you havnt noticed that is not around anymore. The reasons?Tons of corruptionPour get pourer faster then capitalismOne sided answers to all problemsNot to mention that it has failed every single time. Name ONE country today that is functioning great today that has king and queensYou would not be able to choose your religion, career, or sometimes even wife/husband.DUMB IDEA. I think when you go to college, or if your in college take a world history class and politics. Think about how many revolutions there has been. Does that not even process in your mind? No matter how smart someone is there going to be faults in there thinking? Albert Einstein was one of the smartest, he was an Anarchist. So this would not work so you would have to pick someone not as smart.By the way that is called Monarchy in which the leaders are chosen from divine right. And to support the death penalty so strongly is not so thoughtful. For one your giving them the easy road out. Second, what if they are innocent? Do you know how many cases there have been that have ended up like that. I'm not religious at all, but i do think killing someone is going back, AGAIN, to the dark ages. I live in washington where it is still legal to hang people and also death by firing squad. I think put them in jail for life rather then letting them out the easy way.Seriously though does anyone agree with going back to the King and Queen ages? They were called the Dark Ages for a reason.

Edited May 1, 2006 by BooZker (see edit history)

[Zabb 0]

why pay to keep people in prison when we could get rid of them and use the meat to feed the homeless.

[adriantc 0]

why pay to keep people in prison when we could get rid of them and use the meat to feed the homeless.

At least in my country, I don't know if it is the same in your country, but I think it is since in the west the life in prison is much better, one prisoner eats food an entire month worth a minimum salary. So basicly someone who has stolen, raped or killed eats as much as someone works an entire month. Everyone says human rights, well they have lost those when the did what they did. They should be fed with bread and water, they should live in prison without everseeing the light of day and they should for their food. There are a lot of cases where people go to prison because they have a better then home, 3 times a day hot meal for free. I just hate the way they still have rights. They are getting a punishment not having a vacation in prison. Not to mention the killers which can never be put back into society. They should be put to sleep since what they did is beyond repair. Society does not have to feed someone who is no longer a human beeing...

adriantc i do not agree with you at all your talking about Kings and Queens. If you havnt noticed that is not around anymore. The reasons?
Tons of corruption
Pour get pourer faster then capitalism
One sided answers to all problems
Not to mention that it has failed every single time. Name ONE country today that is functioning great today that has king and queens
You would not be able to choose your religion, career, or sometimes even wife/husband.

DUMB IDEA.

1. I ain't talking about monarchy. Only the fact that you are born in a certain family does not make you a ruler. This is not about divine right. What I want is to have people educated from childhood to be rulers, and to be selected for it. They have to be the best of the best. Corruption has nothing to do with it, since they will have the values needed to be near incorruptible. Corruption is far more widespead in a system which shares power between people because the odds that someone is corruptible are far greater.
2. It is true that I can't name a country that today is functioning great thanks to a single ruler but we should not forget that great empires where built by one single supreme ruler. Alexander the Great, Julius Cesar, Napoleon and so on. There isn't any great country today led by one ruler because there ain't any great ruler, not because the system isn't good. Communism, for example has the worst possible leaders and it fell. Continues argue between sides isn't good at all. I accept the fact that if only one has complete and absolute power the chances that something goes wrong are far greater, but thru a harsh selection the risk can be minimized. If one has all the power decisions will be swift and above the blind disputes in parlaments. And do not think that if you share the power between people it will make a big difference. People are united be the same thing: money... wealth, the greatest value of capitalism. For them and their family, not for all. The ruler that I want would be over this small things, he would think in the benefit of all. He would be like a computer which does not take sides and does not have any interest to do so. You will probably say that is it hard to change a human in so much ways, but someone who has dedicated his entire life to this one goal could be somewhere near that description.
3. That is true. A great ruler must not have any moral problems related to religion or family. The must not see people like he is a muslim, he is a christian and so one. He must see them a people. A small part of a much bigger system. For a system like this to work he must be above all that. He mustn't think that "I have a family at home... shouldn't they live like kings, with gold and weath." He must have only one job... to rule. One man sacrifice is acceptable if the goal is high enough.

I could give you a lot of examples (from my country) why democracy isn't working as it should, but since you don't live in my country you won't understand them. But you can believe me that a lot of people are suffering greatly because the people that share power are weak, corrupted and think only for the good of them and their family.

I think when you go to college, or if your in college take a world history class and politics. Think about how many revolutions there has been. Does that not even process in your mind? No matter how smart someone is there going to be faults in there thinking? Albert Einstein was one of the smartest, he was an Anarchist. So this would not work so you would have to pick someone not as smart.

Sorry if I have changed the topic... I really didn't know Albert Einstein was an anarchyst. You are true, but I can give you the same example with democracy. Someone said (don't remember who... I already said this in a topic but I will say this once more) that democracy leads invariable to socialism, because democracy makes the gap between poor and rich bigger and bigger so the result is the same... revolution of the poor.

Regarding the death penalty... I'm not into religion... I mean I am a christian, but I have my own doubts about the divine nature of god. Anyway that is a different topic. I know about the "only god has the right..." problem, but if we would apply that why would we even put them in jail. Only god has the right to punish them?!? So let them kill 10 people, a 100 or why not 1000 people. They will be punished in the afterlife. I you so sure there is an after-life so you'd risk the life of 1000 people?
How can you find putting a killer into jail for life better then the firing squad. Usully when you put someone in jail there is a small chance that someday he can be put back into society. But a killer can never be put back. Why should we spend money on someone who is no longer normal and no longer deserves the right to live. Shouldn't we do something else with that money. Shouldn't we help people that deserve that money rather then spending them on people that killed, stole or raped?

And at least this doesn't mean we are going back to the dark ages. dark ages where the normal reaction to the growth of civilization in the roman empire. Action and reaction. There wasn't much they could do to stop the fall.
And I should remind you that the church made the dark ages dark, because they have taken science outside the law. They have switched off the light that could lighten the dark ages. They were dark because people stopped to think with their brain and they were led by the church just as the cows are led by the farmer. Dark Ages and the control of the church are long over never to return.

I do hope you have the patience to read my post and reply to each subject.
Edited May 1, 2006 by adriantc (see edit history)

[BooZker 0]

why pay to keep people in prison when we could get rid of them and use the meat to feed the homeless.

haha how umm considerate you are lol.

adriantc You know know i think your actually a lot smarter then i thought you were. Not to be a dumbazz, but i thought you were talking about having kings. I can understand your way a lot. What country are you from?

All those rulers you were talking about today were actually amazing people, but the way i see it is how are they any different then Adolf Hitler? They wanted to claim land (the world), so did Hitler. Hitler also killed tons and tons of people in the war. So did those people. Although some of them allowed the prisoners to be slaves if they surrendered this is still very harsh punishment for being in the wrong place at the wrong time..

Not to correct you and be all anal about it, but democracy is not what makes the rich richer, but it is capitalism. I do not think democracy is the best answer at all. Capitalism is a horrible to me. It is really sad when the pour just get SO pour. And the rich get richer and in capitalism as you get richer the more power you have. With money comes corruption and power. Bad forumla.


My opinion on the best form of goverment would be a world goverment (United Nations for example) A form of representive democracy. Where there is just one big group of people who make decisions like a jury. The people would elect them t represent them. The world would be the voters though, so that you could get a huge variety of decision making going on. The chance of this ever to even get started is so slim.


adriantc though thanks for writing all that out, or else i would of thought you were some idiot and hammered you on all the dumb things you said that in reality were thought out.

In your form of goverment how would you elect or grant power to the person?

I hope the forum does not care, but this song is perfect about what we are talking about. What adriantc was talking about in Democracy and Capitalism is so true to the extent it is scary. Here is a song and i will bleep out the bad words, but this song has strong opinions. While i do not support all of them i do support some. The towers in the song refer to the 9/11 trade towers. They see this as a fall of capitalism and that in every big empire such as rome or greece they all fall.

"Super Tuesday"
It ain't a mystery, that US History
Was built upon the graves
Of native ways and beaten slaves
Yeah, we're all free and brave
until we misbehave
and there's just no escape
from the crushing weight
of the police state

[Chorus:]
Two towers falling down
I'll be at zero ground
We're flying friendly skies
Until the city dies
And you don't want to see
Through human history,
Empires will always fall
This is the final call

[spoken:]
the world bank and the IMF have created a system of modern-day colonialism
to make the people in the developing world poorer,
and the multinational corporations richer,
and take the power away from all of us
it's time to take back control of our lives
and tear apart these monuments to greed
and build our new world from the broken pieces

I pledge allegiance to no flag
Top the bottle with an oily rag
we're building up an army fast
to destroy the pigs and break the upper class
I'm only one
This is my voice
But you're gonna have to make a choice
I don't care if you disagree
'cause this "F-ing" thing
It means the whole world to me!

We won't be hypnotized, by all the media lies
it's time the truth is told
when you're sick to death of being bought and sold
our freedom's been misplaced
"F" that, it's been erased,
the world's our shooting range,
I'm gonna spare some change
To bomb the stock exchange

[spoken:]
these skewed development policies kill people every day
and keep us so hypnotized that even though it's right in front of our eyes, we don't see it...
world trade is a death machine.

[Chorus 2x]

The song was by the band Leftover Crack and on the album "F" World Trade

If i missed a bad word just tell me.

[adriantc 0]

haha how umm considerate you are lol.
adriantc You know know i think your actually a lot smarter then i thought you were. Not to be a dumbazz, but i thought you were talking about having kings. I can understand your way a lot. What country are you from?

All those rulers you were talking about today were actually amazing people, but the way i see it is how are they any different then Adolf Hitler? They wanted to claim land (the world), so did Hitler. Hitler also killed tons and tons of people in the war. So did those people. Although some of them allowed the prisoners to be slaves if they surrendered this is still very harsh punishment for being in the wrong place at the wrong time..

Not to correct you and be all anal about it, but democracy is not what makes the rich richer, but it is capitalism. I do not think democracy is the best answer at all. Capitalism is a horrible to me. It is really sad when the pour just get SO pour. And the rich get richer and in capitalism as you get richer the more power you have. With money comes corruption and power. Bad forumla.
My opinion on the best form of goverment would be a world goverment (United Nations for example) A form of representive democracy. Where there is just one big group of people who make decisions like a jury. The people would elect them t represent them. The world would be the voters though, so that you could get a huge variety of decision making going on. The chance of this ever to even get started is so slim.
adriantc though thanks for writing all that out, or else i would of thought you were some idiot and hammered you on all the dumb things you said that in reality were thought out.

In your form of goverment how would you elect or grant power to the person?

I hope the forum does not care, but this song is perfect about what we are talking about. What adriantc was talking about in Democracy and Capitalism is so true to the extent it is scary. Here is a song and i will bleep out the bad words, but this song has strong opinions. While i do not support all of them i do support some. The towers in the song refer to the 9/11 trade towers. They see this as a fall of capitalism and that in every big empire such as rome or greece they all fall.
The song was by the band Leftover Crack and on the album "F" World Trade

If i missed a bad word just tell me.

It is somewhat similer to a monachy, but power will not be given thru birth but thru merits. There will be no luxury (like in a monarchy), not the ruler will be considered a god or a father figure (like in communism for example). The ruler will sacrifice his life (considering he will not be married, will not have children or have any religion orientation). Of course it will be a small sacrifice in the benefit of all.
It is my opinion that it does not take an extremly inteligent person to be a great ruler, just to have the right virtues, to have the will to do better, things which we rarely see this days. I don't see Adolf Hitler as a great ruler, but as an evil person. He not only killed jews, but he killed them for what they are not for what they did. He did not conquer the world as a noble idea, but simply to rule. The lust for power is not good, so he can't be considered a great ruler. Alexander the Great for example had this idea to unite all people under his rule. He may have been gay and he may have drunk too much, and he may even be a little too ruthless, but he had a higher goal. If you ask me the movie Alexander (not considering the actors and such... simply the historical part) best describes him. A ruler must be ruthless, since not evryone wants to be a part of their empire. If we believe the poison theorie in the case of Alexander we can see that even his own people didn't like to share the glory with others. What I want to say is that people are not so eager to be ruled by someone who is not of their own blood. I think the best policy would be "You are with us and share our glory and weath or you are against us and suffer the consequences. A great ruler can't be a weak one, he must be feared in a certain degree.
My friends say I am a communist because I consider all men are equal no matter of the skin color language or religion and because I do not belive in private property ( which I don't remember what ancient philosopher said it is the root of all evil). Some people may need more civilization but all people are born equal. If you ask me the germans would be the most suited to rule since they have the brains and the will to do a good job. After every war they grown a lot. Think only that Germany was ruined after World War 2 and it has now one of the greatest economies.

Not to correct you and be all anal about it, but democracy is not what makes the rich richer, but it is capitalism. I do not think democracy is the best answer at all. Capitalism is a horrible to me. It is really sad when the pour just get SO pour. And the rich get richer and in capitalism as you get richer the more power you have. With money comes corruption and power. Bad forumla.

Yeah your right about that... it is my mistake. Democracy is not capitalism, but in the world we live where is democracy there is capitalism. That is the effect of capitalism I think leads sooner or later to socialism. The gap grows larger, most people are more poor and so on.
I know that in the US you elect not the person but the ones that choose the persons. My history teacher told me that system is like a fail safe mechanism. As I said a large group of people can easily be manipulated, so to prevent a dictator for controling the people they made this system. So the people can't choose their ruler directly. Isn't that the system you refer to?

I haven't given much thought to that, but there must be some sort of system that would not imply a decision of another group of people. As you bring more and more people in the equation the odds are growing exponentialy that something goes bad. A system must be a very objective one and MUST NOT include other people in the decision process. Since we give one the absolute power we must make sure he is no tyrant. We must make sure he uses the power to do good no bad. That is why a small class of people must be built, a class with moral principles far better then ours, a class which values life greater then money. They must learn history so they will not repeat the mistakes of the past. Also the absolute power does not mean lack of freedom. People should be as free as possible, as they are in democracy. What communist didn't understand is that critics are good. Well they didn't want to do good so they didn't want people to critic them. Also religion is to be as free as possible. Religion gives people hope and hope is good. And above all the guverment should not mix in peoples lifes. . As long as you respect the law no one must be afraid of the guverment. The guverment must not wash the brains of the people as the communist did. The guverment should not burn books and rewrite history as the communist did. Culture should be ranked high in guvermnets priorities because it is almoust as important as wealth.

Well I am from Romania, a place in Europe where until 1989 communism ruled. We are now a democracy, but we are far from the west. I have recently made a trip thru Europe and I have seen France and Germany and I almoust cried when I saw how far we are from them. There are still people from the old regime in the new one, and they don't want to be "washed" out of the system. If I can describe the way the people are you could visit your poor neighborhood and think that 70% of Romania is like that. All because the ones who rule us think about their own pockets to be as full as they can. I have said that once in a topic, but if I could take over now I would shoot the parliament and the president. Thay have giant houses and cars, giant bank accounts and very weathy relatives. In the parlament they do nothing elese then raise their own salaries. Every month or two they vote to increase their own salaries. They are at work once evry 3 days, and when they are at work they don't do anything. All of this while people are poor, disasters hit every year making damages worth over 1 billion $. They should be ashame of themselves. But they are not and there is nothing we can do. Every 4 years they want our vote and the really sad thing is that we dont have another option. Because they will never let honest people get in a position where their own system is threatened. In 7 months we are due to be a part of the UE, but we are no where close to where they are. Capitalism is bad, but when capitalism is build on the ruins of the old regime it is a nightmare.
I have tried to discribe as best as I could why I would want something to be changed. You ust asked me from where I was but I wanted to explain the reasons for why I am so radical.

About the song... the lyrics are great. They share my view regarding the 9-11 incident and what happened after. See Fahrenheit 911 for details... I do believe in the conspiracy theory regarding the 9-11 events.

Hope you will have the time to read the whole post. I don't usually write so much, but i really believe something must change and I feel the need to express myself.
Edited May 1, 2006 by adriantc (see edit history)

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adriantc honestly your country is no different to the UK in many ways. We may look richer but trust me we are getting taxed so much that we get pennies for our work now whilst the MP's and tony blair gets a pay rise. No matter what government you have in and no matter who is in corruption is the only constant in a government; from the top to the bottom any government is corrupt in one way or another. For exmaple the great country of america, (hope this part dont offend americans but I dont really like george bush) is ruled by a man with a need to venge his father and gain money via oil. Has anyone ever seen the farhient 9/11 film or what ever its called that tells the truth about george bush. Did you know he worked for the arabs in the oil industry and did you ever relise he might have jus gone into iraq for:1/ to venge his father who was stopped by the UN2/ for the oilso you see adriantc corruption is everywhere in a goverrnment...you jus sometime have to either learn to live with it or go against the government. democracy is no differnt to anything even anarchy beccause in anarchy everyone is for themselves which means corruption would be rampant.I only have to touch on one last subject when it while adraintc is on the whole government thing and thats russia. I saw a program lately about russia and have come to the conclusion that their government is not democracy at all. I called these bunch con-artists; there are a few governments out there like this that are actually either hiding the turth or jus are a bunch of thugs who want to sound posh and intelligent. so beware jus becuase it says its a democracy doesnt always mean it is. Anyway ive said enough on that subject.