Church Tries To Control God? 3rd secret out

[HoRuS 0]

Icemarle, that is the point I was trying to make. Your clrifying opinion was greatly needed. Thank you.

 

HoRuS:

You are saying that we go to heaven instantly? Let me first ask for evidence. Because you need it to back your claim. Here is mine:

Now it doesn't sound to me like you are instantly transported to heaven after you die. No, you remain in the ground. When the unjust and sinful die, they stay in the ground. A right and godly person does otherwise? No! Here is proof.

And there you have it. We will rise first. When? When Jesus comes AGAIN. No this is not the Rapture, which doesn't exist anyway. and no this is not that instant thing we talked about earlier, this is down to earth, where the rubber hits the road, Christ coming again. Check it out for yourself.

 

Now of this second coming. You say that he is already here. Are you denying a second coming? Because if that was so, then Revelation is nothing but a hoax. which it isn't, since the Bible says that the Word of God is valuable and worthy to be used for reproof, and for teaching all people. Now ytour evidence:....

 

Sorry, but a book ain't no proof for me. Especially a book used to opress humans, written by human hands.

And I didn't say we go to heaven instantly, we get reborn All civilizations before ours talked about reincarnation, wich i believe were very much apart from eachother, so how did they get the same interpretation of life?

And true, I don't believe in a second coming, at least in the way the 'holy' book tells us. Jesus is no God, he was a prophet. Jesus has been here more then you know, in the name of Boeddha, Krishna, Quetzlpatl (typo), Tutanchamon and as Jesus and maybe the same soul is somewhere here right now, who knows. And yes, he is allready among us, I said that, but I also said in our hearts, his teachings are still here, his knowledge is still here... Only problem is that it has been falsified by human hands, the same hands who crusified him.

 

In the book Heaven and Hell are described as places we go to when we are good or bad, nothing is more false... It is what you make of it yourself... For example: when you do bad, like hurting people, your soul will reincarnate on this Earth, in this dimension, untill you learn, that is what Hell truly is. When you do good, your soul will have a choice, whether to go to a higher 'level' (what you call Heaven) or remain here to gain more knowledge about this specific dimension. Since we all are part of God, there is no final destination because when we learn, God learns as well, wich is an infinite process.

I'm not gonna throw with quotes, because it's different for every individual and everyone has their own experience. Those who feel it, know it.

Edited March 3, 2006 by HoRuS (see edit history)

[wild20 0]

May I ask, are you a Christian? What religion are you.

Here is my take on your opinion. I can say the Bible is true. I actually proved that in my last topic on Evidence for god. Here, read it: http://forums.xisto.com/topic/31359-evidence-for-god-the-real-evidence-for-a-living-god/

Don't respond to it there, we can discus it here. It is an old topic, unless you want to bring it back. But my point is, the Bible can prove itself. And it has done so. Meaning that even though human hands wrote it, it was inspired by God, and IS accurate. If God didn't want it in there, He would have removed it somehow, even if it was an act of nature, it wouldn't be in there.

So you don't believe in a second coming? And you don't believe in the Bible, but you believe in Jesus and His death? I am not getting what your beliefs are. Let me target what you said. You say that He is among us. The Bible says that Jesus, besides His life here around AD will never touch the ground again until His second coming, and even then His feet won't touch are filthy, sinful soil.

May I ask where you got all those opinions? I see no evidence for your claims and therefore I can neither believe them, or even think of your explanations as even comprehendable until you produce some proof. I have given mine, which you can't deny because you don't believe in it anyway. So you need something to stand on now. If you could, that would be great.

[HoRuS 0]

I told ya, I have no religion... religion is only a way to use faith to control people.

And as I said, I have no touchable proof of my faith, but I don't need proof, I just know inside... Allthough it's less then 1% of what I know, the quote beneath will explain some of my way of thinking:

 

Abraham the Israelite father of mankind, and Hiram of the Freemasons, are one and the same, and both are based upon serpent worshippers with Indian Naga or serpent deity backgrounds. A grand statement, but one that I am not alone in making.

 

Flavious Josephus said in his History of the Jews:

 

?These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calani.?

 

Megasthenes, sent to India by Seleucus Nicator, also said that the Jews were called ?Kalani? and that they were an Indian tribe.

 

 

Clearchus of Soli said: ?The Jews descend from the philosophers of India. The philosophers are called in India Calanians and in Syria Jews. The name of their capital is very difficult to pronounce. It is called Jerusalem.?

 

If Abraham as the father of the Jewish race is therefore a legendary figure of India, then who is he? And did he exist at all? It?s time to upset traditionalists.

 

The obvious person for an Indian Abraham is Brahma (A-Brahma) who just happens to have a consort and sister named Saraisvati [1]? which is amazingly similar to the name of the Biblical Abraham?s wife - Sarai. Indeed Abraham is said to have learned his trade in Ur (the ?Ur of the Chaldees? in the Bible ? said to be in ancient Sumer), which is very close to the Persian border ? being en-route to India.

 

It is also a fact that the name of Brahma spread throughout this entire area ? so much so, that the Persians even adopted him as one of their deities. So, the very area where Abraham is said to have learned his priestly trade is the very area that the Indian Brahma was being spread and worshipped. What more can we find within this area of the Chaldees?

 

The Chaldeans were called Kaul-Deva, and they were a priestly caste living in among other places, Afghanistan, Kashmir and Pakistan. (Kaul-Deva meaning the Shining Calani, hence these were enlightened Shining Ones, a group going back to ancient Sumeria and outlined in my book The Shining Ones).

 

So Abraham/Brahma learned his trade among the Chaldees, who were a priestly caste related to the Indian sub-continent and were the Shining priesthood or enlightened souls. In this respect then Abraham was simply a title given to the high priest or Lord of the sect of Brahma. But if, like in ancient Egypt, he needed to duplicate the life of the gods, then he too would have needed a wife/sister. The fact that Saraisvati was both Brahma?s consort and sister, also relates to the Biblical account of Abraham.

 

?But indeed she is truly my sister. She is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.? (Genesis 20:12.)

 

This same pattern of hidden Gnosis would later become part of the Mary/Jesus myth. The complex twists and turns that modern writers such as Dan Brown in the Da Vinci Code seem to have to create to explain the seemingly peculiar nature of Jesus? relationship with Mary the Mother and Mary Magdalene are really quite remarkable. In fact it is simple.

 

Like Sarai is Saraisvati, she is also Isis, the greatest of Egyptian goddesses. Mary too is a duplicate of Isis. You see Isis was the consort of Osiris, hence the wife part. She was therefore the mother of Horus the Saviour - hence the mother of god. But Horus was Osiris reincarnated and so Isis was also his sister. Mary the Mother, Mary Magdalene the lover/consort and Mary of Bethany the sister are really and truly the hidden aspects of a much older Gnostic tradition that has no literal element at all! The three Mary?s are in reality three aspects of the one feminine principle - the feminine trinity.

 

Of course, we could find ourselves in trouble here, as nowhere does it state that Mary of Bethany was the sister of Jesus. However, its does state that Mary of Bethany was the sister of Lazarus, whom Jesus raised from the dead, or more pertinently was Jesus, raised from the dead.

 

You see, in Egyptian mythology it was the role of the son of God and saviour, Horus, to raise his father, Osiris, from the dead and in a sense resurrect himself, as Horus was Osiris resurrected.

 

However, Lazarus and Osiris are distinctly different names and so cannot be related. How wrong this is, although there is still much debate on the exact etymology, many believe that there is a proven link. How?

 

The ancient Egyptian designation for Osiris was Asar or Azar. Now, when the Egyptians spoke of their Gods they indicated them with ?the? and so we would have had ?the Azar.? This term ?the? also meant Lord or God, like the Greek word for God The-os or Theos. One of the Hebrew terms for Lord was El and was applied to their many deities, such as El-Shaddai or El-hoim. So when the Hebraic writers included Osiris in their myths they put him in as El-Azar ? The Lord Osiris. This in the later Latin translation was changed to El-Azar-us. This use of the ?us? was the way that masculine names ended under the Roman language. In fact, in Arabic Lazarus is still spelt El-Azir, hence missing the ?us?. So we now have El-Azar-us, which reduced further into Lazarus. In this way the Egyptian, or should we say much older mythos, became the literal truth of the Biblical record.

 

Horus therefore raised ?El-Azar-us? or ?El-Osiris? from the dead, just as Christ was to raise ?Lazarus.? This story in itself is an allegory of the sun god Osiris being reborn but never the less gives us the remarkable fact that Mary of Bethany, as the sister of Lazarus, was in literary and esoteric reality, the sister of Jesus.

 

And so, as we find that Jesus and Mary were in reality based upon a much older Egyptian mythology, which itself stretches back even further in time to ancient Sumeria, we also find that the story of Abraham and Sarai are no different. In the Koran (6:75) we find that Abraham?s father was called Azar (Osiris), and so Abraham was Horus, just as Jesus was Horus. Lo and behold, we also discover (Luke 16: 22-25) that Lazarus himself rested in the bosom of Abraham, just as Osiris as the crippled god, rested in his resurrecting son?s arms.

 

And it was this Abraham, this Brahma or Osiris, that is said to have spawned the very Children of Israel. Let?s take a look at Abraham?s sons and see if we can reveal the hidden serpent lineage or serpent secrets that we found elsewhere in The Serpent Grail.

 

Abraham?s son Ishmael, by Hagar, his maidservant, also had children who lived in India, or Havilah (land of serpents), as it is in Genesis. Both famous sons of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac have names that revert back to the worship of that serpent Hindu deity Siva. [2]

 

Ishmael is Ish-Maal in Hebrew, and in Sanskrit, Ish-Mahal means ?Great Siva.? Isaac is Ishaak in Hebrew, and Ishakhu in Sanskrit ? which means ?Friend of Siva.? Most startling of all is the very name of Abraham himself, which could mean that Abraham was nothing other than a Naga King ? Ab Ram ? actually means ?exalted snake.?

 

Hiram, the famous Freemasonic and Biblical builder of Temples was Ahi-Ram and it is time to take a look at this mythical character.

 

Hiram and the Temple

 

Hiram of Tyre, the son of a Jewish mother and a Phoenician father is credited with the decoration of the fabled Temple of Solomon. He was said to have been the ?son of a widow of the tribe of Naphtali . . . He cast two bronze pillars? 1 Kings 7:13-15.

 

The standard of the Tribe of Naphtali, according to Jewish tradition is a serpent or basilisk and this could have come from the Jewish sojourn into Egypt, as Jewish tradition states that Naphtali was the brother of Joseph chosen to represent the family to Pharaoh. Hiram is also said to be a son of the Tribe of Dan (Chronicles 11) and even the tribe of Dan had an emblem, which was the serpent and the horse. Barbara Walker in The Woman?s Encyclopaedia of Myths and Secrets points out:

 

?Writers of the Old Testament disliked the Danites, whom they called serpents (Genesis 49:17). Nevertheless, they adopted Dani-El or Daniel, a Phoenician god of divination, and transformed him into a Hebrew prophet. His magic powers were like those of the Danites emanating from the Goddess Dana and her sacred serpents?. Daniel was not a personal name but a title, like the Celtic one.?

 

Here we have a distinct conclusion, that Daniel of the Bible is related to the very same Danu or Dana goddess of Celtic Europe and that this goddess is conclusively related to serpents ? in this case the serpens astrological sign as worshipped by the Danites. We also have confirmation that the Jewish people collected their belief system from those around them. Thus far, as we have gathered, they have melded the beliefs of India, Egypt and now Phoenician into their own growing system.

 

According to the book of Chronicles, this son of Dan, Hiram, was a cunning man, endued with understanding and skilful in the work of gold, silver, brass, stone and timber. He was also credited with certain tools, which could pierce stone. According to the book of Kings the Temple was prepared in stone before it was brought to the site ? being something like a ready-made or prefabricated building. It was said that neither hammer nor axe, nor any tool of iron was used in the building. So how was it built? At least, symbolically?

 

Well, in Exodus, Moses is told to build an altar to the Lord without tools, lest he should pollute it, and it seems the same symbolism was utilized here in the building of the Temple. According to Rabbinical teaching the prefabrication was performed by the Shamir, a giant worm or serpent that could cut stones. Not dissimilar to Norse and Celtic beliefs where Valhalla and Camelot were built with the fire of the dragon. According to the Islamic accounts of Rashi and Maimonides, the Shamir was a living creature. This is hardly likely, unless we understand this creature to be ourselves. Indeed what is more likely is that the idea of the wisdom of the ?worm? (which evolved from the word orm for serpent anyway) or snake, Shamir, was used in the construction of the symbolic Temple of man - a Gnostic belief. [3]

 

It was fabled that serpent-linked Naga?s escaped their country and took this deep and seemingly, architectural, wisdom abroad. This linking of the esoteric and underlying principles of self-illumination manifested here in architectural symbolism eventually gave rise to modern Freemasonry.

 

The ?architect gods? such as Thoth or Hermes are linked strongly with the serpent wisdom as we discovered in The Serpent Grail. Other references also link the Shamir to the snake, such as the Testament of Solomon, which calls it a ?green stone,? like the Emerald Tablet [4], which obviously provides further evidence for the Shamir to have been serpent wisdom.

 

Returning to Hiram we find that the name Hir-Am actually means ?exalted head of the people:? (Hir = Head, exalted, Am = people) ? and is closely related to Abraham (Ab Hir Am).

 

However, it also has another and more telling meaning.

 

Ahi-Ram actually means ?exalted snake.? So, in either meaning Hiram was the ?exalted head? or ?snake,? both meanings being paramount to the discovery of the thread of the snake cult and religious underlying beliefs - the mixture of the opposites within one?s own head as shown in The Serpent Grail.

 

Hiram was also believed by some (according to David Wood in his book, Genisis) to be descended from Cain via Tubal-Cain who was said to be the only survivor of the ?superior race? after the flood.

 

The race is supposed to be called Elohim (people of the ?fiery snake?) or the ?Shining Ones,? also known as the ?serpent people.? This tale is derived from a text known as E or Elohim from around 750 BC and also gives rise to the stories of the Dionysiac Architects - themselves also linked with the Freemasons.

 

No wonder therefore that the pillars of Hiram should be related closely to the worship of the snake. Rosslyn and especially one of its mock Temple pillars, as we are now so acutely aware, is entwined with the symbolism of snakes ? not just as a direct relation to the Norse myths of Yggdrassil, with its gnawing serpent ? but ultimately as symbols of the religious power of the Gnostic serpent.

 

On the Secret Scroll discovered by Andrew Sinclair one of the most important images is the sight of a large, coiled, Serpent beneath the Temple steps, with a crown, a pick and a shovel, as if pointing towards the excavation of the Temple itself.

 

There is a legend which may back up Andrew Sinclair?s findings and which he does not mention.

 

This oriental legend tells how the Queen of Sheba was attracted to Hiram and that King Solomon became jealous ? so jealous in fact, that he plotted the death of Hiram. Molten metal used in the casting of a ?brazen sea? was going to be used to kill Hiram, but he was saved by the ?spirit? of Tubal-Cain ? his ancestor ? who is linked with serpent worship - he was therefore saved by the serpent from death. Hiram threw his ?jewel? down a deep well, but was then killed by Solomon?s assassins by a blow to the head. It was said that three masters later found the body and venerated it. The jewel was found and placed on a triangular altar, which Solomon then had erected in a secret vault beneath the Temple. (Josephus, Antiquities V111, 3:4) What was the jewel of this builder, which caused so much veneration? Whatever it was, later crusader knights ? under the guise of Knights Templars ? were supposedly to dig furiously beneath the Temple to discover. Of course the Templars are believed to have dug for other items, they and others, such as St. Bernard, thought were located there ? like the Ark of the Covenant. It may be of course that even this is symbolic and Gnostic language - the eternal search for our own divinity.

 

Following these dubious excavations both the Templars and the Cistercians under St. Bernard grew in immense wealth. Great building works were carried out across Europe ? all hiding secret symbolism of the snake, and all using the architectural skills discovered whilst on their travels in the Middle East. Greatest of all however is the symbolism that was brought back with them and which invaded European culture like a contagious virus, seeping into and onto our buildings and works of art and keeping alive an ancient tradition for us to one day rediscover.

 

The hollow and non-literal Brazen Pillars of Hiram became the twin pillars of the later Masons ? who themselves, like Moses as the emergent serpent, emerged from the Templars. These pillars were said to be hollow and to contain secret manuscripts ? which reminds us of the supposed discovery of the manuscripts from Rennes Le Ch?teau, also thought to have been found inside a pillar. In truth they do hold a secret, but not one that can be held in the hand.

 

Now it is time to take a look at another exterior source on the modern Freemasons to see if there are any parallel influences at play - the Dionysiac Architects we have just mentioned.

 

These are said by Masonic historians to be the prime originators of their guilds. A secretive group or secret society with doctrines said by Manly P. Hall (in Masonic, Hermetic, Quabbalistic & Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy) to be similar to the Freemasons. They are thought to have been great builders, reminiscent of the idea of the great architectural Naga?s who escaped India.

 

It was supposedly this secret society, under Hiram Abiff, who built the Temple of Solomon and erected the great brass pillars now seen as Boaz and Joachim in Masonry. They were also known as the Roman Collegia and were said to have wandered around like the Medieval Masons, building such fantastic places as the Temple of Diana at Ephesus (John Weisse, The Obelisk and Freemasonry.)

 

Weisse also points out that the Collegia influenced the Islamic building efforts, which were later to become a turning point in Western European architecture after the crusades and possibly via the Collegia?s influence over the Templars amongst others.

 

These Collegia were also thought to have been known before the Romans in Greece and were said to have worshipped the serpentine Bacchus. Considering the Masonic fascination with the Druids, there is little wonder that the infamous historian and archaeologist William Stukely believed them to have been the builders of Stonehenge and other ancient monuments. Many Masonic writers love to associate themselves with the Druids and we find that they ?had a high veneration for the Serpent. Their great god Hu, was typified by that reptile.? George Oliver, Signs and Symbols (Macoy Publishing New York.)

 

If it is true that the Dionysiac Architects and the Bacchus/Dionysius-worshipping Greek and Roman Collegia, were among the originators of the Freemasons, then it is highly likely that they were linked also with the serpent-worshipping Druids who were also known as Adders or Snakes. They were all in fact a later showing of the worldwide serpent cult ? the same as those in India, Egypt and elsewhere, who all had fantastic building skills and held secrets of the true and hidden Gnostic traditions. Today we can still see a remnant of this great architectural, serpent-worshipping and secretive cult in the Masons. As George Oliver points out ?The Serpent is universally esteemed a legitimate symbol of Freemasonry? and now we see its history is world-wide and some would say justifiably kept alive within the initiated Freemasons.

 

Philip Gardiner is the author of The Serpent Grail, Gnosis: The Secret of Solomon?s Temple Revealed and The Shining Ones. He can be contact via his website at http://www.philipgardiner.net/

 

Notes:

 

1 Brahma is the subtle life-force or the spirit itself and Saraisvati was the River of Life. See The Wonder that was India by A. L. Basham, Fontana Ancient History, 1967.

 

2 Mahadeva, one of Siva?s names, is often represented with a snake entwined around his neck, arms and hair. His consort, Parvati, is likewise represented. Bhairava, the Avatar of Siva, sits upon the coils of a serpent, whose ?head rises above that of the gods.? According to Hyde Clarke & C. Staniland Wake in Serpent and Siva Worship, Siva is the same as Rudra, the healer, and is called the King of Serpents. He is depicted with a garland of skulls, symbolizing time measured in years, the changing of ages. He is called sometimes Nagabhushana Vyalakalpa or ?having serpents round his neck? and Nagaharadhrik or ?wearing serpent-necklaces? and also Nagaendra, Nagesha or ?king of Nagas? is also known as Nakula, the ?mongoose? which means one who is immune from the venom of the snake.

 

3 See Gnosis: The Secret of Solomon?s Temple Revealed by Philip Gardiner due out March 06 under Radikal Books.

 

4 The word, Emerald comes from the Greek, smaragdos, which simply means ?green stone? ? although true emeralds have been popular for well over 4,000 years. Cleopatra, the famous Queen of Egypt who died from the bite of an Asp, was fond of them ? and more than any other gem! She had the emerald mined near Aswan. The emerald is found on Jewish breastplates and is used as Indian Talismans. Spaniards stole it during the conquest of South America and the Incas held it in high veneration. It is said to cure fevers, epilepsy, leprosy, dysentery, opthalmia, bleeding, liver problems and stings from venomous beasts. It was also strangely said to ?blind? serpents.

 

The Emerald Tablet is a summary of alchemical thought - existing in Arabic and Greek - and mainly having roots in Roman and Greek alchemy, especially that of Hermes - thus bringing to mind that it must originate from the same source as the Dionysiac Architects or the Roman Collegia.

 

One of the earliest recordings of its existence is from an 8th century, Arabic work. Some relate the Emerald to the Sacro Catino of Genoa, the supposed Holy Grail, said to have been in the possession of the Queen of Sheba, which was made from green or emerald glass.

 

It was believed that a physician named Galienus who calls it the Table of Zaradi recovered The Tablet from the Thrice Great Hermes. Many believe Galienus to be the surgeon Galen, but others believe it to be a mistranslation of Balinas (Apollonius of Tyana.) If this is the case, then the Emerald Tablet of the great serpent deity, Hermes, would be coming directly from the sage who visited the Naga (serpent) kings of India and Kashmir and who is himself said to be long-lived.

 

The term, Zaradi derives from the word for ?underground cave? or ?chamber? and alludes to an ?otherworldly? domain ? possibly the Shamanic Underworld.

 

Other people said to have discovered the Tablet are equally incorporated into the serpent worship story. Alexander the Great and Zara (Sarah) ? the wife of Abraham ? who is said to have taken it from the hands of Hermes just after the flood.

 

Original article by Philip Gardiner

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[CinnamorollTK 0]

I am a Catholic and we do not "worship" Saints. We only pray to them for guidance and to pray for us. Same thing with the Virgin Mary, we do not consider her as God-like and we do not worship her. We only pray to them for guidance and to pray for us.

Wouldn't praying to them mean that they have power equal to God or similar? I always thought that saints were just people that were given a higher "status" than regular people by the Catholic church meaning God had nothing to do with it. I may be wrong but I don't remember the Bible saying that one man would be incharge of a bunch of people just because (meaning the Pope).

Plus aren't the saints just people who are dead? Isn't that like asking a dead person to help you with your problems? I remember hearing that one man in the Bible tried to talk to a dead person and lost the battle he was in because he followed the dead person's commands. (The dead person was an evil thing so it wasn't really who the guy thought he was talking to)

As for Mary, she wasn't sin-less. She was a human being. I've seen people pray to her like they do to the saints and it makes me think once again: Do you really think this person is going to be able to help you more than God will?

(Excuse me if I've been rude. I didn't mean to be. I just want to understand better.)

[Archangel_Baw 0]

TRUTHFULLY:

Personally, I'm a Matriarch which means I worship The Goddess (Gods' Wife:)

And I don't believe anything in the bible about hell or demons or a devil or sin or any of that. I believe that most main-stream religions, like catholic, Mormon, Jehova witnesses etc, are for the most part good people with good intentions, however they've been taught about who our creator is through a lot of false prophecy and thats how things have come to where they now stand.

 

And it's sad really because people are turning against eachother over some very unimportant things, such as who believes what, and who the one true god is etc. These are all false teachings that pit people against eachother, calling some people evil for really ridiculous reasons. There are NO evil people, just evil acts performed by people who make poor choices.

 

The Good/Evil & Heaven/Hell complexes have to go! Theres no such place as Hell. The creator is NOT some scary, manipulative wrathful, jealous God. Those qualities exist only in Human Beings. MANKIND is power hungry, God and Goddess are ALL POWERFUL, and it makes no sense that we would be created by them just so we could all screw up and they could punnish us with some absurd eternal torment.

 

I believe in our hearts we all know better than to believe that propaganda. We all personally know our creators wether we talk about it or not. So regardless of what your beliefs are THINK! Would you do any of that crap thats in the bible to your own children??? Not likely, and you are a human being NOT PERFECT. So Why would our creators who ARE PERFECT, who have DIVINE love for us ever harm us? They wouldn't.

 

I would not put any stock in what any religious leader swears to be true because they are governed by things like greed, money, power etc. NOT by God or Goddess. These so called EXAMPLES Have their OWN agendas and the sooner people realize that, the better off they will be.

 

The followers of the mainstream religions are NOTHING like their leaders Thank God and Goddess for that. But unfortunately people are taught to judge each other as sinners and so forth for stupid reasons, and most of those reasons revolve around mass manipulation & control started by the false prophets and manipulative church leaders.

 

I realize in text it says JUDGE NOT and bla bla bla, but if you keep thumbing though the bible with an OPEN set of eyes you will see very little BUT judgement. And that Judgement is NOT Gods, OBVIOUSLY! It's MANS!

 

The sooner people stop quoting that b*llshit book of contraditions, (The so called HOLY BIBLE) that was clearly written by idiots on a power trip of some sort, the sooner world peace will come about. Really read that book, there is NOTHING HOLY about it. That stupid book of lies is the very thing responsible for all the horror that takes place on this planet, and that adam eve story was all bull aswell. theres no devil or demons or any of that crap, it was all fabricated for the sole purpose of scaring the masses into doing the will of the churches.

 

It should be re-named the UNHOLY *BLEEP* written by drunks and cowards who were terrified of their own shadows. Litterally. Your shadow is your dark side, it's in ALL of us. And these people who wrote this crap were in denial about who they really are. Unwilling to face themselves, and hold themselves accountable for their own actions, they fabricated a supreme evil being to blame for everything they could not forgive themselves for. Lets face it people, mass murder in the name of God must really screw up a persons conscience. And thus the devil was born. NOT EVEN ONE REAL DEMON EXISTS>they are fabrications of human creation that come from suppressed guilt, fear & shame. Which coincidentally, are the very things churches USE against their followers to manipulate them into blind obedience.

 

I believe in angels, God & Goddess and life after death, but I believe these things because of the experiences of my own spirit, NOT because of anything in that stupid book. Theres no need to argue about who's right or wrong. It's redundant. WHO CARES! Everyone walks their own path, but we will all end up on the same road in the end. No exceptions. No ones going to hell. There is no such place.

 

You don't have to forgive or forget anything, or anyone. That's also a bunch of b*llshit. That commandment was just fabricated by the leaders of the churches, and writers of the bible, for when the people 'woke up' and realized they've been lied to for millions of years. It was manipulatively constructed to save their own *sses from being tortured like they did to so many others for NO REAL REASON. THINK people THINK! wow. This religion stuff really gets to me because i've witnessed too many people who are terrified to think for themselves and it breaks my heart! TRUTHFULLY!

-Archangel

[dre 0]

Hmm, gee, don't you just love how people start topics, then never again reply in them? Totally defeats the purpose, I think (which is to communicate with others and get their feedback, ect.). And on this topic, I find it funny how people blame religion based on people. It's like saying look, there are car accidents, therefore, the car is responsible, and we must get rid of cars.

[iGuest 3]

Read the Quran

Church Tries To Control God?

 

Replying to wild20

 

Guys, I came across the page while looking for something else, just wanted to mention that all the above discussions and different points of views, are clearly discussed and explained in Quran, story from Abraham to Sara and Ishmail and Ishag and jacob ,down to Moses and jesus and Al-Azir and joseph and everybody else are in Quran. Quran is doing nothing other than re assuring and re-advertising tourat and enjil ( old-estemony and new testemony).

 

By the way it is a little more technical and scientific.

 

-reply by Sean