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Funny, that happened to someone else too... Marylin Monroe. I bet there are other similarities like terminal depression for starters.

There's really not much we can do regarding the horrifying situation in the middle east that the west has seen fit to stir up. Animal cruelty, on the other hand, is something each of us can change through education, alteration, example, and proclamation. Educate yourself by going to PETA's website and watching videos of just what goes on in factory farms and slaughterhouses. Alter your own lifestyle to fit what you could see yourself do to the animals you eat. Are you a hunter? Would you be capable of shooting an elk or deer or whatever, dressing it out, slicing and dicing, packaging, and freezing it? I know I couldn't, but at least I can choose how the animals I eat are killed by buying products that are organic from small independent local farms that use sustainable farming methods and that allow their livestock to have free range through the course of their short lives. These are small steps we can all take that would end many abuses, disease, and other negative aspects to the industry. Factory farming methods are what caused Mad Cow disease to threaten us all. Lead by example and others will follow. Take every opportunity to spread the message that livestock and veggies are both far superior when grown using sustainable non-chemical methods and harvested with the least environmental impact possible. It's good for you and it's good for the future generations as well as the planet as a whole. The jury's still out on that one. Our teeth contain remnants of meat-eating ways like incisors and canines but they also contain the tools necessary to process grains and veggies. It can be argued that just because we can doesn't mean we should. We've been endowed with large brains so we can make informed decisions concerning the animals we've been given custody over according to the bible. Perhaps our meat-eating equipment should be treated as though in a glass vial that has the words "Use only in case of emergency" printed on it. There's no nutrition in the omnivore's diet that can't be obtained in the strictly vegetarian's diet. By that logic, I'd say that humans, too, are there to be eaten. There are simply too many of them who sit there, live their lives, die and rot in the ground. What a waste! They should all be corralled and sent through the chute. We could call the product Soylent Green and some corporation like Monsanto could market it to us as a necessary supplement while being vague about the ingredients. Hmmmmm.... I could swear someone already did that in a movie somewhere...

That whole study had all of four graphs that were immediately backed up with the date presented. You used five graphs in your rebuttals on some obscure forum without giving sources (and some guy's personalwebsite, now defunct, doesn't count nor lend credibility) for the numbers used to create them. According to Oxford American Dictionary the definition of a law is: "A statement of fact, deduced from observation, to the effect that a particular natural or scientific phenomenon always occurs if certain conditions are present: the second law of thermodynamics." A theory from the same source is: "A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained: Darwin's theory of evolution." What's your point? Do you expect them to lie and say their studies' results are irrefutable / incontrovertible with no challenge from the greater scientific community? If you're insinuating that because the theory posited is "fringe" or unaccepted for whatever reason in the west then I'd simply ask how, if their theory is false, have they (Russia/U.S.S.R.) come from the brink to being the world's largest oil producer. Perhaps they're on to something over there in Siberia... No no no. I guess you know more than they do which explains why you're wasting hours of your time convincing me that I'm just an arrogant, fat, unemployed, bored know-it-all who's out to get you and your ego to make himself feel better about his cursed life. Oh, wait! I know. You're some rich oil exec working for BP and you've got some poor intern working for you and you've charged him with the task of defeating every little argument, making sure not even one forum in the whole internet has one of those "peak oil myth wackos" getting away with anything. Maybe you've got a room full of college grads earning their stripes scouring the internet posting the agenda everywhere they can. Yeah. That must be it. Are you suggesting a simple bell curve was the result of research? Specifically the Hubbert curve? You'll have to show me all the research that Hubbert did to obtain this, one of the simplist of graphs in the world of graphing. I have more to add to this, and I will on the other computer tomorrow because it's got all the sources up on it and it's much more reliable when it comes to successfully making posts on this forum... Strike that. I had to get on the Mac just to post this. Good thing I've got another computer to back me up. I doubt too many other people do. Anyway, I ran across a compelling article that brings something to light I haven't discussed here yet. So I'm going to quote the first two paragraphs to lure the audience in and they can then link to it: "On June 21 [2004], the Los Angeles Times ran a story that the ever-growing 'Peak Oil' crowd seems to have missed. The article concerned the Shell oil refinery in Bakersfield, California that is scheduled to be shut down on October 1 -- despite the fact that the state of California (and the nation as a whole) is already woefully lacking in refinery capacity. Now why do you suppose that Shell would want to close a perfectly good oil refinery? It can't be because there is no market for the goods produced there, since that obviously isn't the case. And it isn't due to a lack of raw materials, since the refinery sits, as the Times noted, atop "prolific oil fields." The Scotsman recently explained just how prolific those fields are:" The article can be found here: http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ Scroll down a few paragraphs to the centered stars and read from there, though what's above the stars is interesting too. I guess supply and demand are responsible for the current price gouging at the pump. Haven't really heard this argument used in the media though. Funny how, when you close refineries down, even when they're extremely profitable, you'll make an even greater profit from the remaining refineries. It's good to be the king [of oil].

If you drop it from about twenty-five feet, it'll never give you another error. ;)

Confirmed. I had (and have) the latest and greatest version. Got a couple posts in on the forum, but now the shoutbox isn't working again.

Looks like things are working, if a bit of a rough start... Oops. Looks like I spoke too soon. Got this message just a couple minutes ago when I couldn't use the shoutbox, I tried to post here and the message: "Authorization mismatch - please go back and try again. If you have been trying to access a function incorrectly, please use the proper method."

This is a post test.

;)What doesn't kill us only makes us stronger. I've found that martial arts like kick boxing or, I suppose it's too late for that, just simple punching bags (inanimate) would nicely. I once shot a chicken that had a broken neck (it happens) along side a friend. I felt much better afterward. It's amazing how much tension the shooting sports help you to relieve. You might just try an hour or two at the local shooting range. Good luck!

First, a cell phone tower on the school grounds is very unlikely to affect anyone. The antennas are usually at least 60 feet off the ground and by the time the radiation hits the ground it's less harmful than sitting next to a CRT when it's on (watching TV in the old days). Second, phones are 0.1 watts (0.6 watts according to this article https://www.sciencenews.org/search?st=articles+fob1 I think it varies with the frequency usage), not 3 watts. The only 3 watt phones are either attached to an amplifier in your car or home with an external antenna connected to the phone and usually mounted on the roof top of a car or old first generation phones which are mostly consigned to museums at this point (we're mostly using 3rd Gen now with a few 2 Gen stragglers out there). I'm a Cell Field Technician/ Field Engineer and I've been working around cell antennas either roof mounted, water tank mounted, monopole mounted, even church steeple mounted for about a decade now. I've roasted my butt near them before, but I've never stood there for so long that it might possibly cause smoke to start rising from my pants. I'd probably move if I lived in an apartment that had antennas mounted on the roof right above me, but they mount those on the edges of the roof so if you live toward the center of the building you'll be alright. I'm personally cautious, when I'm in the car I attach the lead to the roof mounted antenna and when I'm not in the car, I try to limit my conversations as much as I can. I'm mostly just a tightwad and don't want to incur too much air time.

LG C1300i. No camera, no fluff, simple easy reliable and it has an external antenna jack so I can hook it to my roof-top antenna and keep the radiation away from my head. Standard mini-plug for hands free set. Altogether a good phone. Cingular service.

It's not working again. I've done everything but reboot the machine including restarting FF, I can't shout or post. TGI.... ...Macintosh!

I've paid more attention to this topic in the media of late while I was unable to post here and frustrated from the posts that disappeared and I listened to a guy this morning on GCN talking all the party line garbage we've seen here. That guy, Harry Braun http://www.harrybraunshow.com/, made a lot of sense, though, on another level and that is oil is destroying the planet's air, water, and all that. I've got asthma and this disease is epidemic in children today and I think it's due to burning all these hydrocarbon fuels mucking up the air. So what's the harm in spreading the lie that oil is near its end? In this case, since there really is no harm, I've decided that the means do in fact justify the ends. So go ahead and repeat the lie. Repeat it often enough that people believe it. You can ignore the facts such as studies like these conducted by: J. F. Kenney, (JFK@alum.MIT.edu) Gas Resources Corporation, 11811 North Parkway, fl. 5, Houston, TX 77060, Houston, U.S.A. Russian Academy of Sciences - Joint Institute of Earth Physics, Bolshaya Gruzinskaya 10, 123.810 Moscow, Russia; Vladimir A. Kutcherov Russian State University of Oil and Gas, Leninski prospect 65, 117917 Moscow, Russia. Nikolai A. Bendeliani, Vladimir A. Alekseev Russian Academy of Sciences - Institute for High Pressure Physics, 142092 Troitsk, Moscow Region, Russia. The study can be found here along with another study and lots of interesting information: http://www.gasresources.net/ Don't let your opponents see things like that though. We need to get off our addiction to oil and on to a H2/wind/solar economy. While I believe that would be very cool, I also believe they would never let the masses make our own energy. If they can't put a meter on it and charge us for it, they'll do everything in their power to make sure we can't have it. And the way our government is set up, they'll always have the power. We need to form a democracy and move away from this representative republic or something where the majority of the people determine the fate of our nation. So, I suppose this is pretty much the end of the argument for me unless something more interesting is brought forth by Glenstein or one of the other readers of the thread. Awesome topic, btw. One of these days I'll have to start something like this one. Keep others posting here and if there's anything more I can add I will.

I'm just posting this as part of a test, to try and hammer out some random words while you're waking your dog from her (his?) stupor now ....

I don't know what you're talking about with the Mac. I've never used the console. It's there if you're some kind of geek who gets thrills from opening the hood and digging in to the guts. If you don't know Unix, there's no reason in normal operation to open the console. There are some tweeks you can do, but usually they're outlined in the industry pubs like Mac Addict or Macworld and it's simple step-by-step instruction. I say, go Mac and never look back! MC: Windows for Mac isn't "virtual" anymore. Mac is running on Intel chips now so it's able to run Windoz like any other PC as an alternative boot. You download the free app from Apple called Bootcamp to do this. Alternatively, I think if you use "Parrellels" you can run Windoz in its own window while still running OSX at the same time. That, I suppose, could be considered "virtual". Anyway, I love my new Mac; it's stable, fast, and a joy to use and I never have to worry about spyware or viruses. It cost quite a bit, but I think there's good value there too with all the software it comes with. Let's just hope they stay small so the virus makers don't start looking our way...

Nice scam they've got going there. You have to buy both ends to make it work. Well, I guess I'll just have to wait till the standard is finalized and hope for the best then. Thanks for the answer.

I doubt I've been clear on this: I'm not arguing that peak oil won't happen. There's nothing on this planet that I can think of that doesn't have a beginning and an end. Nothing is infinite, especially oil. My argument is that we've not yet reached this "peak oil" the mainstream press keeps speaking of. The term is just another talking point used by the oil companies and it's repeated from there used to scare us into submission. I'd argue that they used the same scare mongering in the late 70's, or sometime in the 70's I don't remember, to manipulate the masses to demand smaller cars from the automakers. I don't know for sure, but I believe the introduction of unleaded fuel was brought forth in those last days of oil which caused them to create a known carcinogen almost impossible to remove from the water supply called MTBE which was finally outlawed just last year. There's always an agenda. They scare the herd to cause them to accept something more into their (our) environment that will cause more deaths. In the end, though, there's never really any substance to the lie and it's exposed. "Peak oil" makes some sense because it's something that obviously has a finite supply and isn't renewable like soybeans or trees. Even coal is renewable, but not on a scale that would do us any good. People can grasp this and with our short memories most people don't remember the last time this same scam was used to manipulate us, so they'll let it happen again. I'm only promoting the "theory" that "peak-oil" is a long way off, not because I'm ignoring the fact that less oil is being pulled out of the ground in America but for the possible fact that the oil in our ground is staying there by choice, not because it's expensive to extract.And Ethanol is a poor substitute (other than a 10% mix to increase octane to fill the hole left by lead and MTBE) because of its significantly lower BTU density (and the fact it would harm engines that aren't designed to burn it). I love bio-diesel and intend to manufacture some for my personal use from used fryer grease and according to some sources it actually has a better BTU density then petroleum diesel. It's very exciting and I think it may be possible to use bio-diesel to remove foreign oil from that fuel supply chain in America if it's planned right. BTW: An economics professor once told me (and my class) that statistics lie. I'm not impressed with graphs and charts; they mean nothing to me because they're used to selectively promote some numbers from some source but not other numbers from other sources. Statistics are used to promote lies, often with success. The only way to disprove peak-oil is the same way to prove it: Wait. Only time will tell, but we can look back in time to see that it's not bloody likely due to the fact it's been promoted before. We can also look at where this theory is emanating from and consider a potential conflict of interest. It's like saying that maybe gun control will stop violence, but not likely because it's never worked in all the past events where citizens were disarmed then slaughtered. But let's try it again. This time will be different. I'm not willing to take that chance. I understand that peak-oil won't end with genocide, but the debate is the same: ignoring past experiences while trying to predict future events. I'm sure someone important once said, "Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it." I'm sure you know who said that. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. Someone else said that, don't recall who.

Ok, here's the situation. I've got a Belkin wireless 802.11n (pre-n) router and it works fine with it's own card in my Dell laptop. 108 Mbps all day long but I can't seem to get that kind of speed with my MBP C2D. I just downloaded and installed the $2 firmware update today and it's showing up in network utilities so I know it's active. I just changed the Belkin to 802.11g only thus giving b the boot. So, according to the software manual, it now will support g and n. What can I do to get the n speed with this thing? Thanks.

I've just invested another couple hours on this topic if, for no other reason, to further educate myself on the dynamics involved with both sides of the debate. As I indicated in a prior post (if it survived the upgrade), there is a growing vocal group of people who are not buying the conventional wisdom. Much of that is due to the fact that our Russian brothers have concluded that there's an apparently inexhaustible supply of oil if you drill far enough. I'll list the links to the articles that I've perused these past two hours starting with Wikapedia who provides a thorough explanation of Hubbert's Theory of Peak Oil (Hubbert Peak Theory): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil Followed by a couple articles written by a medical doctor: http://www.newswithviews.com/Monteith/stanley.htm http://www.newswithviews.com/Monteith/stanley1.htm And further reading in the general order it came up when Googled: https://mises.org/library/myth-peak-oil http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.de/ http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/Oct05/041005oil.htm While doing a Google search and copying links takes but a couple minutes, reading all those articles will take hours. My aim in this post isn't to prove anything or even argue my side, but to give you an indication that even a cursory search of the internet will show 932,000 hits for "peak oil myth" and in at least the first two pages, there are only two or three links that aren't relevant to the search. The rest will make for informative reading. And a theory for anyone who doesn't know is: "A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained." According to Oxford American Dictionary. While a "Law" is an entirely other animal: "A statement of fact, deduced from observation, to the effect that a particular natural or scientific phenomenon if certain conditions are present: The second law of thermodynamics. Why do I bring this up? Because any schmuck can have theories, but a theory can be disproved, usually without too much effort, and when enough scrutiny has assailed said theory and it can stand up to the rigors of repeated experimentation it may then become law. Even Einstein still has theories that haven't yet stood the test of the scientific community i.e. Theory of Relativity. An honest resercher/scientist wouldn't be afraid of exposing their theories to the scrutiny of the scientific community let alone a meager forum like this one. There's some real eye-opening information in the above sampling. I'd suggest anyone with some time to spare read at least the first three or four links (excluding the entire Wikipedia write-up).

So is that an Apple X-Serve then with twin dual core Xeons running at 3GHz? http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ (They're not givin 'em away) Sweeeeeeeeeet......

Well it looks like our posts were inadvertently erased with the upgrade and I barely remember exactly how I was going to respond to your posts. If you happen to have saved your write-ups please post them, otherwise we'll just have to try and hammer it out. While you're posts were flattering enough to shut me up, I still think I had a couple things to say. For instance, while I'm leaning toward reincarnation, I am not completely vested since I have little if any evidence and lots of time to sort it out. It makes the most sense for me of all the alternatives. Regarding brick walls and jungle foliage, I think it's the texture... Something to do with the texture that makes it easier to blend in. Sorry I didn't save all that. I didn't realize it was an issue, maybe before they do major work like that in the future, they'd be well advised to warn us all a week in advance to save what's important to us.

Patronizing me isn't "helpful". "Wazzup" was rhetorical. What I really meant was, "Can someone please adjust my credits appropriately?" Thank you for the link. I understand that defecation occurs occasionally without warning and it can be messy. Entire threads were lost, though, some of which I was involved. While it's not the end of the world, I was, I think, understandably a bit upset about loosing a third of my few precious credits. I would rather one of the admins donated me about 20 credits, but thank you for the offer.

You're obviously very invested in your position in this debate (noun: A formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.) but, unfortunately, you're also very emotionally vested as well. This is for the benefit of the audience that may wander by and take notice so they'll be informed enough to either do further research or make a rational, educated, informed opinion for themselves after considering both sides. By resorting to a personal attack/insult, you've removed all credibility from your side of the argument and shown yourself to be someone who has spent so much time researching one topic you've apparently lost the ability to accept that you might possibly be wrong. I've currently spent all of an hour combined on my side and, while, that's not nearly enough to go up against months of research, it's all I could muster at the time because I've got better things to do. I'll attempt to invest more time and research in the topic, but this will end here if I don't get a retraction from you for your last sentence in the above post and a humble apology.

I've lost nearly 20 days worth of credit. Wazzup?!

Apple and MS are like two nations who are in competition but rely upon each other for certain things they can't do for themselves. For instance, Apple is the only thing, probably, coming between MS the demise AT&T met when they were forced to split up due to the monopoly they had. The Feds aren't afraid to come after MS as was seen during the Klinton Administration. MS, on the other hand, has on its campus the largest Apple Group of software engineers outside of Apple itself. If Apple were to sue MS, MS would respond by selling off billions of $$$ of Apple's stock and shutting down all Apple-related software research and development. They'd probably buy Adobe and sack all their Apple development people too, which would cause Apple's stock to dive like a rock in the ocean. It would cause more damage for something like this to take place and this way, people know Apple's innovations lead the industry which gives it good press and causes it's stocks to continue to rise and they've got halos over their heads and can do nothing wrong in the eyes of the authorities. I own both platforms including a new Mac laptop (MBP 2.33 MHz C2D 17" 2GB/160GB) and I couldn't be happier since I'm not a big game player - if I were I'd buy a Mac work station loaded and a copy of Windoz for the gaming side of things. I am really not fond of MS except for their Apple-Office products.

Wow! This is the most retarded thread ever! Just kidding! What do you want to do, realistically, to earn a living when you grow up? Start a new thread and tell us. Maybe others will chime in and tell everyone what they do or want to do too. There. A free topic that should last quite a while.