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Okara KAmi

Janissary it seems you have two terms confused. There is a difference between perfection (Utopia) and control.The system you propose where you have an elitist government that tries to avoid corruption and governs its people has nothing to do with perfection. Why? No one would be truly happy. Sure you could use manipulation to brainwash others into believing that they are content but true happiness comes from the inside. What you establish is power and consistency.Power and consistency are great, everyone would want the eternal stability of a highly educated group that makes all the important decisions. BUT, in the end what's the point? If people lose touch of what they want and become machines in what is pre-modelled for them as a perfect society, then what part of this Utopia retains its humanity?My opinion is this is just a compilation of all the totalitarian warning novels out there like 1984 and Brave New World.Here's the thing about perfect societies, the word perfection is defined by someone or some group, now this group is after all, only a group.No matter how hard you try there will always be insurgence here and low approval rates of the government. What governments all over the world have now is better than this in terms of Utopia and its pursuit because at least in our sane world, we have opportunity and voice. Idk, maybe I'm missing something but this is more of a: Way to Control Everyone Successfully, rather than Perfect Country kind of thing.


Janissary

@ Okara KAmi

 

But I never said this "perfect" system will make everyone happy. After all criminals or selfish people will be extremly unhappy under that rule. By the way, Im not suggesting a perfect world where every where there is a rainbow. Im talking about governer system which is balanced well enough to solve all the solve-able problems.

 

But then again you have a point. Those eldars council, in their elite education... they may failed to understand some human weakness and may ban cigarettes. But then again with their genius minds, they may see banning cigarettes all together can lead to black markets and disorder so who knows they may start a education plan which will take two generation to complete and succesfully get rid of cigarettes.

 

After all hollywood brainwashed our generation with cool actors smooking after and while doing really cool stuff. (Luckly smooking propaganda mostly stoped now)

 

I want to say again: by discussion I saw the flaw in my perfect system. I now believe this system can only last 300-400 years before gets corrupted. Becasue despite to all mesaruments the elite ruling class eventually is going to think themself apart from the society. And I think corruption will take place as a mother being over protective: still good in her heart, doing everything for her children but yet only hurting them.


networker

I think your idea is ridiculous.You'd justbe creating an elitist system and where there iselitism there is incredible corruption.Just look at nazi germany. The best form of government wouldbe a socialist one.Human kind just aren't capable of it nowsince we aren't capable of being fair.It was attempted in Communist China andRussia. One way in which we could try ruling ourselves is to allow onlywomen leaders. They have the basic nurturing instinct that just aren'tfound in power hungry males. This may sound like a crass idea to some,but we've tried every other which way,so maybe we should give this one a shot.


stopthewarm

I don't understand... Your idea is to build a ruling elite, born and bread for one reason - to rule! So basically that isn't a democracy since they are not chosen by the people from the people. But although not a democracy you still keep a parliament (or some form of it). I fail to see what it's is purpose. What I understand is that the main criteria for being part of that ruling elite is to be smart. Why not make it a dictatorship, which is far more efficient then democracy. The only disadvantage of a dictatorship is that is can easily become a tyranny (a thing that happened may times in history). But since you consider that elite to be the absolute best people to rule there is no reason for why you should not entrust them with absolute power? Does my thinking have a flaw?

Anyone who gets power in his hand has to become tyranny some point or other unless he has been taught with moral values and went through miseries etc.Actually. You say that you will make people totally freed of wordly desires such as wealth and sex. But do you think that is possible. IS it rreall ypossible with humans. I think now. Well you could always let them go thorugh normal schoolong and not training like yours. But you should let them get moral values.

traff2009

Somehow I don't think your idea will fly. For one, for every government action, there will always be winners and losers. The losers of any government action (doesn't matter who) will be angry, and if some undemocratically out-of-touch leaders are in charge, it won't be too hard to run a smear campaign against them. Pretty soon militia groups (think NRA types) will rise up and cook up conspiracy theories (it wouldn't be a hard sell). Think about it, the leaders are out-of-touch on how people interact with one another, with horrible social skills, so their PR would be bad. Somehow I don't think the public would care too much being ruled by a class of Aspies-- especially the losers of their policy.Theres also the issue of unintended consequences. What kind of a leader would someone raised to be excessively civicly proud and take no pleasures. A society with zero tolerance towards corruption might seem good at first, until you realize that the penatly for stealing a bubble gum from a gas station is death.


Alex Cicala

Sounds like an exclusive government system. Which is bad. Anyway the government where I live is as good as it gets. [which is actually bad]Anyway One person cannot decide on a government system, you need a group of people that have concluding/similar idea that mesh together, they need to agree with each other and they cannot be higher than the people. If a member of that government commited crime, they would cop harsher penalties than the people. Execution as a penalty is a NO, NO. Killing is wrong even if the convicted has killed. He is better off in a Cell for the rest of there lives, with no appeal.Thats what I see as a government system.


triplebtalk

Your idea is disgusting, it completely degrade people and puts them into pointless class systems. Why would anyone help them with that revolution, I think those 1000 people would be on their own, no "ordinary" citizen would support it.Even if something as ludicrous as this happened, I bet that people would seek political asylum, after all, Absolute power corrupts absolutely.


Alex Cicala

Your idea is disgusting, it completely degrade people and puts them into pointless class systems. Why would anyone help them with that revolution, I think those 1000 people would be on their own, no "ordinary" citizen would support it.
Even if something as ludicrous as this happened, I bet that people would seek political asylum, after all, Absolute power corrupts absolutely.


I agree completely with that, That government system is similar to something that's communist or similar to the caste system in medieval times. One question to the topic op, Do you want to be a slave to your government?

What do you think about the government system in Australia "triplebtalk"?

triplebtalk

The government in Australia is fairly good in the scheme of things. We have an idiot Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy, but other wise, all is good. The government treats the people like people and it does its best not to degrade social classes (call me a capitalist, but I think that if a political system as suggested was carried out, it would be a disaster, if you are rich, good on you, you have that right, if you are poor, I think the government should support, and then lead the lower class back into the work force), and the Prime Minister is a very intelligent man, just remember that the leader is only as good as his ministers.


jaychant

If there was a true Communist society, that society would prosper, and everyone who lived there would be happy. Sadly, though, true Communism can't exist, so the best kind of society is a capitalist, democratic one like ours.


Alex Cicala

The government in Australia is fairly good in the scheme of things. We have an idiot Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy, but other wise, all is good. The government treats the people like people and it does its best not to degrade social classes (call me a capitalist, but I think that if a political system as suggested was carried out, it would be a disaster, if you are rich, good on you, you have that right, if you are poor, I think the government should support, and then lead the lower class back into the work force), and the Prime Minister is a very intelligent man, just remember that the leader is only as good as his ministers.

Mr Rudd isn't that intelligient, I gotta say Howard was slightly more brainier than Kev.

Anyway, I'm interested in this Government Fiber Optic Network that is been setup, the one that's apparently $40 Billion of taxpayers money. And then we still have to pay money to get any access to it, WTF.

Are there any countries in the world that give out free super fast internet. That would be a dream come true for me


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