Duck Duck Go

[mahesh2k 0]

Can you say for sure that if instead of google somebody else were so powerful, it would have not done what Google is doing today. Google don't have any real competition in the search market at least for the time being. This means that they can do whatever they want to without any serious consequences.

As already stated in post, yahoo, altavista, hotbot- all were there and still are and they don't track or use data against users.Even they were successful in that population and search economy earlier but they never tracked data and used it against users. I think you overlooked that point.

Similar is the case with Google. You know they save your data. You know they might use it for bad things but because there is no one who can compete them in the quality of service they provide, you have no where to go. You have to keep using it to get accurate fast search results, even if you don't want to use it.

You know this already, this applies to you. Not those who are concerned about privacy. I switched to private searches long time back. As for you using services like ask, mamma, hotbot, they're now meta search engines and rarely update. So that explains the quality of the data.

LOL. I think you are hurt by @Benett's post. Keep it cool dude. This is an open forum. You are a nice man and your words speak for you. Everyone who will ever read this topic will know you as a humble educated person. It doesn't matter if someone calls you something.

Trust me. I handle lot of such types in other webmaster forums and there are some even worst than this. It is such pain that fanbois and wanna-be's make on any type of forum. Be it microsoft vs apple or google fanboi forums. It's too repeating and boring. What that guy was doing in this thread is basically trolling with that post and making remark without any valid point. I just separated troll from serious discussion,that's all. If he had any serious point to begin with he could have posted much better reply. But any way, in other forums we simply hit 'ignore' button to read only worthy replies. Hope we get things like that on IPB someday, this saves a lot of reading time.
As for using google for business, by all means do it. Most of us in search industry do that. And only point is about privacy based search that i suggest to my friends and close group, that's because i don't want them to get manipulated by google or any other suspicious ad network. I'm not here forcing anyone or even asking to switch.

Facebook privacy issues are related to API abuse and app abuse. It has nothing to do with users setting things by default and facebook abusing it. I yet to see such cases.

On point of google using search results for manipulation- Google uses data for many purpose that includes political reasons, you can see fox news link in previous post. They used their data to make news against one country (defame case). FOX and other political driven media giants were responsible for afghan and pakistan soil attacks and google boosted their news network results during those events. They are the conservative groups in united states and google got sold pre-panda and post -panda to boost their results. You can see fox news results on top over any other news channel network. Only google knows in what way they can manipulate data and use it.

[Ahsaniqbalkmc 0]

As already stated in post, yahoo, altavista, hotbot- all were there and still are and they don't track or use data against users.Even they were successful in that population and search economy earlier but they never tracked data and used it against users. I think you overlooked that point.

May be I overlooked it but I think I won't agree with you. The fact is not that they didn't track data and use it against users. The fact is that they couldn't. They days of Yahoo's glory were not so technologically advanced to make it possible to record and then use the data coming from every single computer online. If I am not wrong, Oingo (later changed its name to Applied Semantics) was the first company to use User search keywords to manipulate search results. They were later on acquired by Google and formed the base for Adsense. Before that, search engines other than google used primarily on site factors for ranking. Google was the first to introduce Backlink=Vote concept in search market, and this concept is the major factor in google's success.

You know this already, this applies to you. Not those who are concerned about privacy. I switched to private searches long time back. As for you using services like ask, mamma, hotbot, they're now meta search engines and rarely update. So that explains the quality of the data.

And how many people are concerned more about privacy than results. The percentages may be high in more educated and technologically aware western societies but not in Asian societies. Believe me, more than 90% of people who use internet in Pakistan don't know how google decides which pages to display in the first page of search results. They don't care about privacy issues (and probable that is the reason why Pakistan is no.1 in porn related search terms). People don't know here that there data is being tracked and it can be abused in the future.

Trust me. I handle lot of such types in other webmaster forums and there are some even worst than this. It is such pain that fanbois and wanna-be's make on any type of forum. Be it microsoft vs apple or google fanboi forums. It's too repeating and boring. What that guy was doing in this thread is basically trolling with that post and making remark without any valid point. I just separated troll from serious discussion,that's all. If he had any serious point to begin with he could have posted much better reply. But any way, in other forums we simply hit 'ignore' button to read only worthy replies. Hope we get things like that on IPB someday, this saves a lot of reading time.

I would only say, "forget about it man!".

As for using google for business, by all means do it. Most of us in search industry do that. And only point is about privacy based search that i suggest to my friends and close group, that's because i don't want them to get manipulated by google or any other suspicious ad network. I'm not here forcing anyone or even asking to switch.

That is something no one can deny. Safety is the first priority for everyone. I think writing posts like that is a huge plus to make people aware of what is happening around them. If people know how they can be abused, they will surely do something to avoid it.

Facebook privacy issues are related to API abuse and app abuse. It has nothing to do with users setting things by default and facebook abusing it. I yet to see such cases.

I hope so.

On point of google using search results for manipulation- Google uses data for many purpose that includes political reasons, you can see fox news link in previous post. They used their data to make news against one country (defame case). FOX and other political driven media giants were responsible for afghan and pakistan soil attacks and google boosted their news network results during those events. They are the conservative groups in united states and google got sold pre-panda and post -panda to boost their results. You can see fox news results on top over any other news channel network. Only google knows in what way they can manipulate data and use it.

You can say, and you might be right in saying so but the point is that its like shooting birds in the night. Yes there is a probability but no one can say for sure that it is happening exactly so. The release of user queries details from google is a shame and it should apologize for it but there is nothing in it beyond that. In today's world, everything can be used for political benefits. War on Terror is the best example of this.

[manuleka 0]

Problem with dogpile is that they're meta search and in no way comparable to top search engine. They gather results from other search engines. I found that very ugly method of serach because such engines care only for first few pages of data. In case of DDG i found that they add their own bots data to the results. Also the results that are gathered from duckduckgo is much better in comparison to the search engine from which it was featched. e.g. Take case of lorem ipsum search string. You'll get the result in first page which is not possible in google and other search engine.
Sometimes you want quick answers and duckduck go gives you one. As they're integrated with wolfram alpha so it's possible that they get better and quick results from duckduck go. This is not the case with dogpile because it is only fetching results from the google. So most of the results are the same in both google and dogpile. This makes no different to those who search for the data for their research.

I do like dogpiles ways of funding their 10% earning to charity. I found that even duckduck go spends that much amount but not to charity but to FOSS from where they used technology to make this search engine.

dogpile interests me because its a meta search, although it gathers mostly if not all from top search results of other search engines, i myself usually looks through the first few search links when i do a search...

but most of the time i reside on google for my searches... all my browsers are set with google as default search engine

it's usually when i don't come with a good enough result that i would consider other search tools... now i'm having a look at duckduckgo as an alternative

[mahesh2k 0]

Google was the first to introduce Backlink=Vote concept in search market, and this concept is the major factor in google's success.

I disagree. I don't feel like commenting on SE topics on this forum anymore. So i'll stick with my routine of mycent accumulation.
As for the rest of the thread, i got accused for starting personal polemic, so i'm supposed to bow out of this. I hope this thread gets locked. Thanks for posting.