Osx Tiger On X86 Machine

[BlueMountain 0]

Just saw this from MacDailyNews that the OSX x86 version is leaking to the Internet, and I just found another picture from another forum

 

Any Pro can tell if it's a original pic or a photoshop made pic.

I was thinking that if it's true, will the x86 version bring all advantage of osx to a pc? Like stability, much less virus?

[vizskywalker 0]

The reason that MacOSX is more stable is it better coders working on it who fixed bugs before release, and the reason it has fewer viruses is not because it has fewer holes, but virus writers write for the largest market, which is still windows. The X86 version will also soon become an official release because Apple computers are now being built with Intel chips. However, MacOS will not install on these X86 machines unless it detectes other apple hardware.~Viz

[MajesticTreeFrog 0]

Chances are, in the final release the Apple computers will use open firmware and other tech only found in Apple computers, breaking compatibility with prior x86 architextures. You could still install windows on such machines, with the right drivers, but Apple will make sure that the Mac OS will demand these features in order to install/run, thus making it impossible to install OSX on non-apple hardware.

[Soleq 0]

Probably old news to the Mac users on here (it is to me), to catch up on recent events, OS X has been successfully installed on an old Sony Vaio laptop running on a Pentium M 1.0ghz. Supposedly it only took the guy 12 hours to figure out how to do this, and after looking at his steps, it's quite a simple process. Looks like Apple will need to either figure out how to change their DRM, or simply acknowledge the fact that if they try to make something hack proof, there'll always be a better hacker. And yes, I use the term hacker loosely, as this is more of a kracking job than hacking.

[computerjoe 0]

Nothing new - it's being possible to run Mac/Darwin on a X86 for years, using PearPC.

[vizskywalker 0]

CompJoe, there is a difference between running an OS on an x86 and running an OS on an emulated Mac on an x86. PearPC runs MacOSX on a Mac that is emulated on an x86, so all instructions go to Pear and are deciphered into x86 Instructions first. What these guys did, and people are hoping to be able to do, is actually install MacOS as the only operating system on the computer.~Viz

[Jeigh1405241495 0]

Yea PearPC runs macOSX at a mere percentage of the speed it should on the hardware. The new x86 versions of OSX are assumedly going to run at full speed for the hardware they are on. Which should be interesting indeed.I can't wait to see how it turns out, but I hope its not hard to crack it so I can havea system running windows, linux, and osx tri-boot AWAY!

[vizskywalker 0]

Actually, there has been an x86 version of OSX for a while, Apple created it to plan for the Intel deal. It runs beautifully. However, it has hard coded into the OS a requirement both for installation and execution that almost all pieces of hardware be Apple hardware or Apple sold hardware, like harddrives, graphics cards, soundcards, and perhaps even monitors.~Viz

[Jeigh1405241495 0]

yea I assumed they would do that... but I'm sure some creative coders will "assist" those not willing to shell out the cash for apple hardware in letting it work on there own systems. Maybe not but heres hopin

[Soleq 0]

yea I assumed they would do that... but I'm sure some creative coders will "assist" those not willing to shell out the cash for apple hardware in letting it work on there own systems. Maybe not but heres hopin

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

If you read my post up above, people have cracked the hardware protection requirement that OS X uses. It's a relatively easy set of steps to complete, provided that you have a PC that meets the general requirements. I'm just wondering now if it'll boot on non-Intel machines, or if OS X specifically needs a Pentium chipset.

[vizskywalker 0]

The people who found out how to do it have been sharing the files and knowledge, but it's not wasy. It requires PearPC, VMWare and Darwin to get started, plus two illegal pirated files. They had a wiki on how to do it, but that seems to have been removed by wikipedia.All of this is courtesy of PCWorld, but I'm not posting the link because it was very detailed and this is illegal. You may find the article on pcworld.com~Viz

[vizskywalker 0]

To respond to Spleq, who posted just as I was posting, either Intel or AMD will work, as they both share the same set of basic cpu instructions, at least from what I've gathered from the various sites. Also, since this means that MacOSX will rise in popularity, and developers will be able to triple boot with Windows and Linux, more viruses will be written for MacOS and it will not stable and virus free for long. I've already gotten wind of several viruses that have been written for MacOS as retaliation for it not being free to all Intel and AMD chips upon release.~Viz

[Soleq 0]

To respond to Spleq, who posted just as I was posting, either Intel or AMD will work, as they both share the same set of basic cpu instructions, at least from what I've gathered from the various sites.  Also, since this means that MacOSX will rise in popularity, and developers will be able to triple boot with Windows and Linux, more viruses will be written for MacOS and it will not stable and virus free for long.  I've already gotten wind of several viruses that have been written for MacOS as retaliation for it not being free to all Intel and AMD chips upon release.

 

~Viz

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I guess I'm replying very soon after you posted. The site that I looked at didn't really bother to use VMWare or PearPC, but instead used a modified installer that did not include the TPM modual. VMWare and PearPC emulates the code, so in that respect it wouldn't matter what chipset you're using. But if you're running natively, I'm still not quite sure. I guess the only way to find out is to try.

 

As for the virus issue, I do imagine that there will be a slight rise in virus numbers once the full x86 is released. However, viruses attack the OS itself, and OS X has always been tighter than Windows. I doubt we'll see pandemonium.

[Jeigh1405241495 0]

Oh yea haha, I more so meant the final release version since I assume if they are already cracking this one, if Apple decides they dont like it they could possibly beef up their protection stuff. Then again I'm just speculating on that... I havn't read much about it so I don't really know how determined Apple is to keep it confined to their own hardware.

[unimatrix 0]

To respond to Spleq, who posted just as I was posting, either Intel or AMD will work, as they both share the same set of basic cpu instructions, at least from what I've gathered from the various sites.  Also, since this means that MacOSX will rise in popularity, and developers will be able to triple boot with Windows and Linux, more viruses will be written for MacOS and it will not stable and virus free for long.  I've already gotten wind of several viruses that have been written for MacOS as retaliation for it not being free to all Intel and AMD chips upon release.

 

~Viz

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Right now AMD or Intel will work, but by the debute of the Mactel, that may not be the case. We have a couple of the development boxes in house. Unfortunately, we are also bound by NDA's on what we can and can't discuss relating to the x86 version of OS X. All I can say is that there is stuff on the horizon that really prompted the move by Apple. The fact that Steve Jobs is stressing Universal Binaries in Xcode has our development department wondering what exactly is in the pipeline down the road. Last week there was an article in the wall street journal about Intel and chip design:

 

http://www.wsj.com/

 

That got us to thinking that the Intel chips Apple will use are not the x86 lines we see today and that the point of Universal Binaries are more to do with future compatiablity than backwards with the PPC line.

 

As far as these virus writers go. That doesn't make sense. Why not target OSX now because they use PowerPC and not Intel or AMD? When people want to write viruses for stupid reasons like this, suddenly I don't mind the FBI going after them and throwing them in jail for a few years.