Test Of The Bible : 2012

[amirborna 0]

I cannot wait till this day

 

I cannot wait till December 31, 2012 !!

 

2 things can happen, both are good

 

1. The world ends, I go to God

2. The world doesn't end, all religious people question their belief / become athiest

 

I can't wait really. I will DEFINATELYYYYYY buy a camcorder HD with many hours of recording to record this event

 

I have a question for all you religious people

 

Lets say today is January 1, 2013, and we are all still alive, what would you to explain doomsday? LET me guess :

JESUS SAVED US!!!

 

No really what would you say. In the bible / mayan calander and all that says the world is goign to end, so I want to know what you guys think about this.

[Striker9 0]

Where did you get this information from? I really never heard that doomsday is on December 31, 2012, not in the bible nor in the Qur'an! God never set a specific day for when the world ends and all this stuff. Yes, God talk about what would happen on doomsday in details, but never mentioned a specific date. So on December 31, 2012 the world might end and it would doomsday, or it might have ended before that date, or it might be yet another day and nothing would be any different. So if on December 31, 2012 the world didn't end, that wouldn't mean that there's no God and no doomsday and hell and heaven and all this stuff... But anyway, give me a link to your reference about this information, I'd really like to know where you get your ideas from... or is it YouTube videos again...?

[amirborna 0]

December 31, 2012 I'm saying because it's last day of 2012

 

the Bible does give signs so you can know Armageddon is near, and a last-day Bible code outlines the EXACT boundaries of the cosmic conflict that the mayans did

 

they also say december 21 and 21 and some others too

 

Rest assure I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THIS

I just want to let you know what u guys think

Edited June 14, 2008 by amirborna (see edit history)

[Striker9 0]

lol the bible gives signs? and you understood those signs and assumed that your interpretations are correct and then said that this is what "WE (believers)" think? dude! first of all, we do not think that Armageddon is on December 31, 2012 and there isn't any believer that thinks so! What we believe in is that God did not give a specific date for Armageddon and everything else is nothing but prophecies that could be true and could be untrue. But don't you allow yourself to talk on behalf of people who totally disagree with you and then say that this is what THEY think although it is totally not the case, because this is nothing but PROPAGANDA! My advice to you is to read and read and read about Islam and Christianity from the SOURCES (Christianity: the Bible ; Islam: the Qur'an and Hadith)... then read the books of great religion men whether Muslims or Christians because those are specialists in interpreting Qur'anic scripts and/or Biblical scripts. While those who go on YouTube acting as if they know everything while they actually do not understand anything, and unfortunately they find people like you who buy their words and adopt it as if it were the ultimate truth! Man you said that you were once a Muslim, but I can clearly notice that you knew nothing about Islam and that's probably why you quit being a Muslim and became an atheist. So again, I advise you to READ the sources and explanations/interpretations of specialists, and not listen to YouTube videos and reading opinions of people who are not specialized in religious issues.

[amirborna 0]

Well how are you going to tell me what God told me huh???Tell me what you think, because clearly God told me it will happen...In my sleep so yeah

[truefusion 3]

Well how are you going to tell me what God told me huh???Tell me what you think, because clearly God told me it will happen...In my sleep so yeah

This is probably the best relative verse against your statement: Jeremiah 23:30-32.

By the way, the Mayan Calendar has no relation to the Abrahamic Religions. Neither 1 nor 2 in your first post will occur. No one will make up excuses on why the world didn't end on the last day of the Mayan Calendar that relate to Jesus. Many people don't even know about the Mayan Calendar. As Striker9 said, there is no set time mentioned in either the Bible or the Qur'an. What the Bible says concerning the last day is that God is very patient and that the last day will come like a theif.

[amirborna 0]

Oh ok....never mind then.Go to my other thread about Debate of your religion plz

[hitmanblood 0]

Man you're attacking god and Christian beliefs all over this forum. Firstly mayan calendar doesn't have connections to the Christian calendar except when they have translated it into Gregorian calendar. The other thing regarding biblical prophecy in bible there is very low number of dates present and furthermore many dates are written in the units that are not used today so determining exact day is really hard from bible even the start of the world is hard to find though there are quite precise, on that one. The point is that most of the old calendars haven't used time shifts every 4 year and similar things that we are accustomed today and because of that it is highly improbable to stick some real date to some real date and event.The other thing is that in the Hebrew they used sometimes years to describe how smart, intelligent or wise person is in fact.So let's say someone would say I am 30 years old in Hebrew meanwhile I have 40 or 20 it doesn't matter. But in comparison they would say you (Amir) are 2 years old no matter you have 17 years.

[Striker9 0]

Well how are you going to tell me what God told me huh???Tell me what you think, because clearly God told me it will happen...In my sleep so yeah

Well, if God told you so then you gotta believe that there's a God... and since got actually told you something in your sleep then you gotta be someone extremely special because God bothered to actually pay you a visit in your sleep... don't you think? pfffffttttt! Dude, take things seriously, and instead of acting silly whenever you cannot face logic and facts, either admit that you are wrong or try to provide us with logical thinking and facts... because no matter how much you try to make fun of our beliefs, that won't change anything, you'll still be wrong and misguided! The only way you might have a chance to convince us that atheists are right and believers are wrong is by providing us with logical evidence!

[mikeyboy63 0]

In Christianity, it's difficult to nail down the end of the world. It was said at the end of Jesus life that it would be in 2000 years, and Jesus lived into his 30s, so we know it won't be in 2012. Probably around 2032. Can't predict a date. We should begin seeing "signs" in the next 20 years.Nothing will happen, but it won't matter. Remember that the Mormon religion was recently destroyed by proof that their religion is fake, but Mormons didn't shut down their churches. They ignore the facts. Specifically, the Mormon religion is based upon these books found by Joseph Smith in the USA, books supposedly left there by Jews. Yeah, Jews in the USA. According to Mormons, the American Indians are, in fact, a tribe of Jews. Well thanks to modern science, Indian tribes across the 2 American continents were DNA tested and no Jewish DNA was found in any native Americans. This is a key to the Mormon faith, so it proves Smith is a fraud. Mormons don't care about the truth. They're brainwashed as all religious people are. So when Christian prophesy proves to be false, it won't matter. They love religion and won't abandon it. It's fine by me.

[Erdemir 0]

2. The world doesn't end, all religious people question their belief / become athiest

Our religion Islam is saying that the end of world will come, but is not giving an exact year. So you must not say all religious.

 

By the way I hear something about 2013 is the end of the world, this idea is from the nation Maya which lived thousands years ago in the center America near Mexico or Honduras. I think if there is a mayan living still and believing the mayan religion, maybe he could be an atheist or could be a Muslim or Christian.

But this information not from Bible or Quran, sorry.

Edited June 14, 2008 by Erdemir (see edit history)

[amirborna 0]

I have a question for you islamHow do you feel about "If you don't believe in Jesus, you're going to hell"???And also how do you feel about not believing in Yahweh, but believing in allah

[Erdemir 0]

I have a question for you islam
How do you feel about "If you don't believe in Jesus, you're going to hell"

???

And also how do you feel about not believing in Yahweh, but believing in allah

Seems that you don't know what Islam is.
Actually we Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet. We believe in all prophets, because they were sent by Allah. So you can't say that we don't believe in Jesus. We believe all prophets including Jesus.

And Yahweh is one of Allah's names. ALLAH is the only god that all Muslims, all Christians, and Jews believe in.

I'm sure you will not think about the things I said and you will find something another to continue to debate, won't you?
Edited June 15, 2008 by Erdemir (see edit history)

[KansukeKojima 0]

Taken from https://gotquestions.org/

 

Question: "What is the year 2012 Mayan prophecy?"

 

Answer: Meso-American star charting started around 680 B.C. by the Olmec civilization who were recording astrological patterns in the sky and eventually shared this information with the Mayans. The Mayans had a long history of tracking the winter solstice (probably for planting crops) and creating calendars (at least 17 that we know of). At some point, they developed the belief that our sun is a god and that the Milky Way, called the Sacred Tree, was a gateway to the afterlife. After learning from the Olmecs, they began keeping records of the stars patterns of movement and continued to do so for the next 200-300 years. The Mayans then developed their own calendar (The Long Count) ca. 355 B.C. They were able to use their observations and mathematical prowess to calculate the future movements of stars across the sky. The result was that the Mayans discovered the effect of the earths wobbling as it spins on its axis. This wobbling rotation causes the stars patterns of movement to drift gradually in the sky (called precession) in a 5,125-year cycle. The Mayans also discovered that once every cycle the dark band at the center of the Milky Way (called the Galactic Equator) intersects with the Elliptical (the plane of the suns movement across the sky).

 

During that year, the sun reaches its solstice (a brief moment when the suns position in the sky is at its greatest angular distance on the other side of the equatorial plane from the observer) on December 21 for the Northern Hemisphere and June 21 for the Southern Hemisphere. That year, the solstice occurs at the moment of the conjunction of the Galactic Equator with the Milky Way. The year this occurs (in relation to our Gregorian calendar) is A.D. 2012, and happened last on August 11, 3114 B.C. With Mayan mythology teaching that our sun is a god and the Milky Way is the gateway to life and death, the Mayans concluded that this intersection in the past must have been the moment of creation. Mayan hieroglyphs seem to indicate that they believed the next intersection in 2012 would be some sort of end and a new beginning of a cycle. The Mayans also believed that the blood of human sacrifices was what powered the sun and gave it life.

 

All the so-called Mayan prophecies of 2012 are nothing more than wildly speculative extrapolations, which are based on the yet uncertain interpretations by scholars of Mayan hieroglyphs. However, the truth is that apart from the astrological convergence, there is little indication that the Mayans prophesied anything specific regarding the events of this distant future. The Mayans were not prophets; they were not even able to predict their own cultural extinction. They were great mathematicians and accomplished sky watchers, but they were also a brutally violent tribal people with a primitive understanding of natural phenomena, subscribing to archaic beliefs and the barbaric practices of blood-letting and human sacrifice.

 

There is absolutely nothing in the Bible that would present December 21, 2012, as the end of the world. While that date is no less valid for an end-times event than any other future date, the Bible nowhere presents the astronomical phenomena the Mayans pointed to as a sign of the end times. It would seem very inconsistent of God to allow the Mayans to discover such an amazing truth while keeping the many Old Testament prophets ignorant of the timing of the events. In summary, there is absolutely no biblical evidence that the 2012 Mayan prophecy / prediction of doomsday is in any sense valid or probable.

 

Accepting the Mayan 2012 prophecy logically requires acceptance of the following theories: our sun is a god; the sun is powered by the blood of human sacrifice; the creation moment occurred at 3114 B.C. (despite all evidence that it happened much earlier); and the visual alignment of stars has some significance for everyday human life. Like every other false religion, the Mayan religion sought to elevate to the point of worship that which was created in place of the Creator Himself. The Bible tells us about such false worshipers: They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator (Romans 1:25), and since the creation of the world Gods invisible qualities His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse (Romans 1:20). To accept the Mayan 2012 prophecy also denies the clear biblical teaching about the end of the world, because Jesus told us of that day and hour no one knows, no, not the angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but the Father (Mark 13:32).

I hope that helped if you did not know much about this topic.

[sonesay 7]

And Yahweh is one of Allah's names. ALLAH is the only god that all Muslims, all Christians, and Jews believe in.

I do not get what your saying here. It does not make sense that all those different religions believe in one god. So ALLAH == Jehovah? I think thats what your saying but please clear it up.