Selling Bone Marrow, Dire Problem.

[Satori 0]

I'm an American, and I've been out of "the system" for over a decade. I can't be officially employed, because it would generate income tax. The tax would be automatically withheld from me, and go towards subsidizing lovely things like human torture, war atrocities, warrant-less domestic wiretapping, and general treason and inhumane practices. So, I'm left to work under the table.

 

This has hit me pretty hard, and now I have a ton of cavities I can't pay to have filled. If left unchecked, this will soon kill me slowly and painfully. So as I'm looking around for humane options, I'm considering donating bone marrow for a fee. There are thousands of people with life-threatening conditions who require bone marrow. I have a life-threatening condition that can be easily solved with money. It seems like a fair trade-off to me. I haven't been able to pay to get typed, but if someone needs bone marrow we can go from there.

 

For those unfamiliar, bone marrow donation is usually done with an incision in the hip that's so small, donors neither need stitches nor a hospital stay. People generally drive in for their appointment, and drive themselves home. 7-14 days later, they're feeling fine.

 

So if anyone needs bone marrow, or knows someone who does, PM me. If anyone has other solutions that don't involve subsidizing human torture through taxes, please reply.

 

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[jlhaslip 4]

Reported this Post so that the Admins can decide whether it is suitable.Personally, I don't think it is.

[Satori 0]

Reported this Post so that the Admins can decide whether it is suitable.

 

Personally, I don't think it is.

Why?

 

"Counseling Forums helping people to share their problems. No matter what problems you have, share it with us so that we can make you feel better. Help us to help you "

 

I find the idea that my life-or-death problem is "unsuitable" for a forum with those parameters enormously invalidating, jlhaslip. I think that degrading treatment is more probably unsuitable for a counseling forum. Don't you?

 

I really don't appreciate having "Admin Warning! He might be a Bad Person, don't listen to him!" slapped onto the end of my problem because of that absurdity. (As if anyone would just fling cash out onto the internet for bone marrow without checking it out first.) Thanks heaps.

Edited April 8, 2008 by Satori (see edit history)

[GrinningKittie 0]

I may be wrong here but I believe it is illegal to sell body parts (organs), fluids or anything else relating as such in the United States. "But people get paid to donate blood plasma, blood and even sperm sometimes right?"Yes and no. They are not being paid directly for their donation. The loophole as the clinics will tell you is that the donator is being paid for their "time" not their donation.

[Watermonkey 0]

Well, I think you can sell a kidney, or whatever you want, can't you? In any event, I must say, Satori, that we usually treat someone who has just one or two posts coming on here to talk about such an enormous undertaking as this with a large healthy (no pun intended) amount of skepticism. Jlhaslip and I may be even more skeptical than most because of the rural environment we each live in. Speaking for myself, I live in an area of the U.S. where there is an extraordinarily high level of unemployment, "officially". However there are many ways of making ends meet around here that Uncle Sam doesn't have his fingers in and none of them involves selling a body part, so that just adds to our suspicious nature. Now, you may be completely on the up and up, but you need to build up our trust a little more before offering to sell bone marrow or any other body parts. Why not start out the discussion telling us about yourself, how old are you, what have you been doing to keep a roof over your head thus far, how can you cut back and save money toward your needed medical care like perhaps turning off the computer, TV, and reading a book or whatever. I find people around here earn some extra money selling a cord of wood for $150 a truckload. That's one way to stay under the RADAR...

[Satori 0]

I may be wrong here but I believe it is illegal to sell body parts (organs), fluids or anything else relating as such in the United States.

I believe you are correct, actually. Fortunately, it does not apply in my case, which is why I did not waste time and effort explaining the fundamentals of law to everyone I talked to.

 

If you look it up, "legal" is distinct from "law" in a very important way. "Law" concerns what is lawful, and what is not. "Legal" refers to something having the form and appearance of law, without necessarily having the substance of law. And it usually doesn't. The recent emphasis on what is "legal" and "illegal" was brought to us by attorneys living outside the law. "Legality" is an irrelevant, but now generally-observed, wallpaper that has been placed over the actual "law" of the united States. Modern lawbooks have been increasingly blurring the definitions between the two words, as the distinction is obscured through modern practice with an agenda behind it. ("Legality" is also refered to as "color of law"; that which appears to be based in law, but which is not.) Various sites on the internet are devoted to studying this distinction, such as here, Sui Juris, FamGuardian, and of course the old Frog Farm archives at etext.org. Articles such as this one and this one can explain the legal/lawful distinction in more depth. I also have a blog on the subject myself. But it is neither directly relevant nor applicable, and it is not my job to attempt to educate everyone I meet about the complex web of fraud and treason to which they contribute. It is not left to me to attempt to change everyones' mind. It is simply left to me to manage as best I can under spurious and inclement conditions created by people adhering to something baseless which purports to be real and authoritative.

 

 

Be well,

 

- Satori

 

Well, I think you can sell a kidney, or whatever you want, can't you? In any event, I must say, Satori, that we usually treat someone who has just one or two posts coming on here to talk about such an enormous undertaking as this with a large healthy (no pun intended) amount of skepticism. Jlhaslip and I may be even more skeptical than most because of the rural environment we each live in. Speaking for myself, I live in an area of the U.S. where there is an extraordinarily high level of unemployment, "officially". However there are many ways of making ends meet around here that Uncle Sam doesn't have his fingers in and none of them involves selling a body part, so that just adds to our suspicious nature.

This is a very well-thought-out response, and I appreciate it, Watermonkey. I can see how you would be suspicious, and that would be valid. Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me. When you're right, you're right.

 

Now, you may be completely on the up and up, but you need to build up our trust a little more before offering to sell bone marrow or any other body parts. Why not start out the discussion telling us about yourself, how old are you, what have you been doing to keep a roof over your head thus far, how can you cut back and save money toward your needed medical care like perhaps turning off the computer, TV, and reading a book or whatever. I find people around here earn some extra money selling a cord of wood for $150 a truckload. That's one way to stay under the RADAR...

First off, I appreciate you offering a constructive solution. Explaining the specifics of my situation will invariably tend towards explaining side-points like common misconceptions of law or politics or ethics, and while at one point I attempted to do that because it's noble, it not only isn't my job to fix the world, it also consists of me contributing something of value to others while getting nothing of value back on my own part. Which is a lot of why I'm in this situation, I think, and would like to avoid continuing to make choices that martyr myself in my efforts to improve the lives of others. If contributing to the problems of others to increase my own quality of life is absurd, the reverse is also true. Left with a choice between the two I'll sacrifice on my own part as best I can, because it's the only thing that's mine to sacrifice. But I try to avoid either option whenever possible, because they're both stupid.

 

This has become such a large problem to me, as my original post probably demonstrates, that I'm likely to be rather defensive about situations like that. I'll try to avoid it. But living in a world where essentially everyone else perpetuates the problems I'm facing - and the ones they're facing as well - being just about the only one who refuses to perpetuate them myself, and feeling like I have to justify my credibility because acting without moral integrity has become commonplace, strikes me as an unfair and unrealistic expectation. A large part of the situation in the States today is that everyone has become used to a lack of accountability, and used to having government intrusion into their private lives. Their private lives are just that: private. So to expect someone to open their private life to scrutiny out of a demand to justify oneself as valid or not to strangers comes across as pretty skewed.

 

But I'll come down off my high horse here, and share a few things with you. I'm now thirty. I've had to work under the table for years (well, "chose" it to avoid taking part in unconscionable and treasonous government activities). It's been very tough, and often I haven't been able to keep a roof over my head. You'd be amazed at how far you can go with a laptop (earned through a direct work exchange at a computer store cleaning and dusting). There've been a lot of concessions, but I think it's the only fair choice that's within my power to make. So I bite the bullet, and do what's right even though it costs me personally. At the moment I'm staying with a friend (well, more than a friend, actually). It's a shaky situation that could dissolve at any time. And I have a team of cavities that will kill me if left unchecked. We've tried getting jewelry cheap on eBay and selling it at auctions (to raise money for a couple of internet startups that will actually provide something of value to people), only to find that the seller never checked that his "Black Diamond and White Gold Ring", for example, was actually electroplated metal and glass. This has been the norm with sellers so far. We've tried putting out flyers to service people's computers, only to get a bunch of calls asking for immediate, free tech support. I can't get into specifics on the internet, but we're living in a rent-free situation at the moment. There's nothing to save or cut down on. Fortunately I've just discovered online posts for programming jobs today, so with a few weeks of cramming I should be able to do coding online, and hopefully that will cover it - whatever my living situation at that point. It's obvious in retrospect, but then most things are. The really obvious suggestions I've already considered. I'm on the waiting list with a lab for medical experimentation. I've even created a web-site, pinkslab.com, to transform the problem into its own solution, giving it a humorous spin and inviting users to join in the fun, then compiling the best submissions into a book.

 

The bottom line is that if I contribute to the problem, I'm only making it worse on everyone. It's just like those people who buy a bunch of domain names and hold them for ransom for thousands of dollars. I encountered that when I attempted to establish a couple of websites that could easily change the world like eBay and Craigslist do, with a totally new idea. Someone had bought up the domain name, wanted over a thousand dollars for it, and even if we got a business loan for the money I still couldn't buy it. I would be paying ransom that would go directly towards buying up other domains and holding them for ransom. I'd be paying to get out of my problem by passing it on to many, many others. That kind of reasoning appears to make sense to most people (although I firmly believe that nobody could be that stupid except on purpose), but it's exactly what's creating the problems that I and everyone else encounter in the world. If nobody did it, everyone's life would be awesome. Maybe I just have higher standards. But I firmly believe that the choices most people make are just a socially-accepted form of Evil. It doesn't take someone with a high IQ or the ten years of research into law that I have to see that. All it takes is the conscience we were all born with, and most people refuse to heed it. So here we are, with the world in the state it's in.

 

I hope this better explains where I'm coming from. Thanks for taking the time to talk it out with me.

 

 

Be well,

 

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[Watermonkey 0]

I've been here over a year now, Satori, and I must say that you're as articulate as the top one percent of the members on this site (at least in your ability to express yourself in English). Given that condition and one other condition I'll detail at the end, I think you have a very good chance of talking (or writing) yourself right out of those dental caries and back to a healthy body. I have some knowledge of dental caries or cavities as I got my first one a few years back (I'm 39) and when I found out about it, I was shocked, horrified, and angry at myself for neglecting such an important part of my health. Frankly, after a good amount of research, I think I caught it. That's right. The bacteria that causes cavities is contagious. Every time you kiss your "more than a friend", you're passing on that bad bacteria to another or catching it. I think kissing should be banned until bacteria tests are performed. That would probably prevent as many cases of mouth disease problems as the modern toothbrush. I have a funny feeling you've researched the subject yourself, and if you have you've probably discovered the debate regarding fluoride (sodium). Now, as every educated person knows, calcium fluoride is a naturally occurring mineral and it's found in trace amounts in nearly every water source across the planet. Sodium fluoride is found in the waste produced by the aluminum, fertilizer, and nuclear industries and it is very expensive for these respective industry companies to dispose of it in an environmentally friendly manner. So they found some people who were "scientists" and who probably had enormous student loans and other debt and could be easily bought off and started perpetuating the myth that sodium fluoride is beneficial to the maintenance of the healthy human tooth (like sodium fluoride allegedly is in very small doses) so they could actually get paid to dispose of it. There were experiments in WWII Germany concentration camps that proved humans became docile and apathetic, losing 10-20 IQ points in intelligence when fed a healthy dose of daily fluoride and because it's nearly odorless, tasteless, and colorless, and is a cumulative chemical that the body partially (50%) flushes out of its system, it requires a very tiny dose to do the trick (I believe it's around 1-3 PPM). That along with other toxic metals found in the cocktail that municipalities buy from the fertilizer and other industries contribute not only to rotting teeth and bones (dental and osteo-fluorosis), but to a permanent decay of the well-reasoned and intellectually superior human mind that was once common place. (Remember the founding fathers of the original 13 colonies? They were not the exception in intellect, reasoning, and education; they were the rule for their time and socio-economic status.)

 

I've lost nearly all faith in the establishment medical community, but having some faint wisps of my past insistence on believing in the good in people, I still hold out hope that there are some people out there who are truly in their profession to help the ones who can not help themselves and so my suggestion to you is to ask real people who practice medicine near where you live for help. It's sometimes amazing that all it takes is to simply ask the question. I know it's not easy, but a doctor who still believes in the Hippocratic oath should feel compelled to help you regardless of your ability to pay. One such man is Dr. Ron Paul who, in his more vital years, worked in an inner city hospital and provided care to all those who sought it regardless of their ability to pay. It is he who has caused me to believe, once again, that there are still people out there who'll lend a hand. You just have to ask. If you don't know where to start, begin at your local church of your choice. Sit down with the head-man-of-cloth and have a frank discussion with him about your rotting mouth. He knows lots of people. If he can, he'll find help for you and it won't cost you anything. But when you make some money, you'll feel compelled to pay him or contribute to a charity in his name because that's the way the world should work. I, like you, had an idealistic view of the people of this world and my country when I was younger. I'm still recovering from ideology to total and complete cynicism. I find that being a cynic fits me more and more. Good luck to you, and let us know how it worked out. Remember, though, you'll never stop having problems with your mouth until you solve the root problem of the bacteria that eats your teeth.

[Satori 0]

Watermonkey, I'm... honestly not sure how to respond to that topic. I actually hadn't heard of sodium flouride versus calcium flouride before, but I'm inclined to believe it. I'm glad you shared it. My more-than-friend and I seldom kiss, and I use lots of mouthwash regularly anyway. Bacteria-swapping cavity-causing germs? I could believe that I guess. It makes sense. I'm taking up a collection at a church right now, doing online web design, creating a few internet startups, and have posted about 35 articles in about a week on HubPages.com as Satori... and that last has bee hugely successful in terms of AdSense views, although since nobody has clicked on an ad yet I don't have a clickview ratio or any money yet. But presumably soon. I appreciate your reply and your time. Thanks for leveling with me; I particularly appreciate your intent and motivation.Be well,- Satori

[Reekun 0]

Wow, you're going to be selling bone marrow? That sounds like absolute torture. Oh my gosh, how can this be legal. I wish you the best of luck dude, godspeed. I had cavities that had my entire mouth feeling horrible and I was left in a daze 24/7. We have to take better care of our teeth.If you're good at writing you should see an article on how to make money writing online articles. Ghost-writing would do you some good

[iGuest 3]

selling marrowSelling Bone Marrow, Dire Problem.

You can sell your marrow, and other body parts and things, if it's for medical research or testing, like a pharmaceutical company. They monstly compensate you based on your time and discomfort of whatever procedure or donation you are doing. These companies end up making money with new prescription drugs or new treatments, so it's only fair that they pay their volunteers.You cannot ask to be paid to DONATE to someone in need, that is against the law. A recipient can give a gift to their donor, but that is up to them, the donor cannot ask, or expect, compensation. You can join the bone marrow registry, but it's fairly difficult to be matched to someone in need, but at least your tissue type is in the system incase you do match to a patient needing a marrow transplant. But in the meantime, what's wrong with selling your marrow? It may help develop some new leukemia or lymphoma medication or treatment.-reply by KJat