My Theory Of The Universe/space/galaxy/everything Somewhat based on a Simpsons episode lol

[seargentpepper7 0]

Introduction:

I have always had a theory on what is outside the universe where we have never been and telescopes cannot see. I actually saw a variation of this in the beginning intro to a Simpsons episode where they zoomed out until you could see all of the galaxies and then kept zooming out until there were lots of galaxies and that turned into molecules which turned back into Homers forhead where at that point he says "woahhhh" in a stupid sort of way which makes me laugh.

 

My Theory:

We don't know whats smaller than a quork (think i spelled that wrong) and we do not know whats larger than a galaxy. So my theory is that if we zoom out passed all of the galaxies the galaxies become the next smallest thing to quorks which as you continue to zoom out you see molecules and so on until it forms a shape which could be anything since everything is made of atoms (except light... and energy..). This works the same way vice versa where if you zoom in you start seeing things that resemble galaxies if you zoom in and eventually you start seeing universes and more detailed things such as other worlds.

 

If you didn't understand this brief explanation of the universe don't feel stupid because this is one of the hardest things to explain and this is just my theory which could be completely wrong but since we don't know all we can read about is the theories.

[matak 2]

Interesting theory. Although you lack some of the latest psychics information regarding the creation of the universe. First quarks are not considered smallest particles that create whole universe anymore. Quarks are made from Quantum theories and are small particles which make protons, or neutrons, which then make atoms, which form molecules which form matter in 4 known forms to man. Liquid, Solid, "Boiling", and Plasma state.Your theory is interesting beacouse of how you feel that universe acts, i mean how you see other dimensions of space and time. The latest theory of unification called Superstring Theory proves that there are no only 4 dimensions in which we live in but rather there are 11 dimensions (there is a posibility that there is even more, but i didn't get to that part yet). So you see we are living in 11dimensional universe, although we are only aware of 4 dimensions. 3 dimensions of space, and 1 dimension of time.Trying to visualize 10 dimensions of space is really hard, and maybe only few ppl in the whole world can do it, so most of the people have free mind when they want to visualize other dimensions. Also one more thing that this new theory says that it is quite possible that after Big Bang this wasn't the only universe created, and possibly there were many other universes created also. Just it is beyond our near minded perceptivnes to visualize those universes.There is a possibility that we are just "cought" in 3 dimensions by some ways of nature, and that we ourselves need to open our minds to wide variety of perceptions of other dimensions, which can sometimes result in great visions, you can have about your Beeing in this place called universe. One of those visions homer simpson had that day, and you liked it a lot. I saw that same thing and i liked it too. But you can say also that maybe there is more to it, other than going really small, then really big and then getting back to really small. Although i find that idea very attractive.

[Saint_Michael 3]

I could say its plausible that there’s something larger then a galaxy, interesting that you bring it though I read article (NASA website I think) they found this energy source that is very powerful and emits this green glow when bursts, however it went on to say that this energy is so far out their they couldn't get a exact distance from it. So it is possible that there could be something larger then a galaxy since their is a energy source great then a supernova (I believe is what they said). However since we do not know how big the whole universe is, we may never know. We have found other planets that are bigger then Jupiter and stars bigger then our own sun and recently they found planets that could have water on them. But since a light year is about 6 trillion miles, we may never know until someone can crack the light speed barrier. Right now I believe the fastest rocket/shuttle can go about 17,500 MPH so if we do the math it would take about 3,913 years to travel 1 light year. Well we already know no one can survive that, even if we built a system to put a person's body into a very deep rest and cease all functions of the body and then bring them back. So right now everything thing is science fiction that it could be done.Until the speed barrier is broken and the human body can sustain that kind of speed, would have to be roughly in the 100,000+ area, all we can do is speculate what’s out there and wait for the time for everything to happen. For all we know in 2000 years we could still be where we are now. Of course if we put in the danger factor it makes this even more possible because we have to dodge, comets, meteors, supernova, black holes the works. There is so many unknowns about the universe that we may never know them all.Hopefully we can see a future like Star Trek with space ships that can fly into outer space and what not, but first we have to deal with earth problems and since they will never be resolved outer space is just a dream to us who wish to explore the unknown.

Edited April 16, 2007 by Saint_Michael (see edit history)

[OpaQue 15]

Try to analyze this.

Humans :

Noobs trying to solve their existence through their basic science based on number of assumptions.
Their Science is entirely based on their *OWN* senses. (eyes, nose, ears etc.)

Smallest particle matter :

You go on zooming over any particle. You finally land up with Atoms which contain nucleus and electrons revolving around it.
You zoom in even further, you find that that the sub-atomic particles can be further classified. You see mesons rotating inside the nucleus and I don't think in present day, Humans have the technology to go past this limit.

Anyways, my point is, you go in deeper inside matter and you see particles getting differentiated into even more fundamental objects.

Lets Zoom Out now :

In early days, humans discovered that moon rotates around Earth.
Then, Earth around sun with other planets.
Then Solar system itself rotating inside the galaxy and the galaxy iteself is also rotating.
Even after defining the largest possible body (Universe), they still say its ever expanding, moving and rotating.

I hope, you get what I have to say. Its a never ending loop until you find nothing zooming in further, or you will become infinitesimally small zooming out.

I even don't agree with the CONCEPT of life which is defined by Humans saying that it requires X chemicals to be active.

When life itself is a mystery beyond science, how can they define it and prove its existence on other planets. Life is something I define as a light which brings life in non-living (defined by us) things. In this case, Life is possible on moon, mars, sun or anything.

If I bring every chemical present in a human cell and somehow manage to re-construct it. Where is the guarantee that it will become alive and start growing ?

The only thing possible till date is cloning in which, everything starts with a living cell. :-)

[matak 2]

Humans are trying to analyze everything beacouse we need to understand. There are ppl that just live life beacouse they feel it's simpler than analyzing it, but on the other side there are ppl that analyze everything. With analyzing by using our senses, and even more important thing is Assumption. Humans sometimes assume that something is something becouse of this and that. They learn ways to test and to prove that assumption. Many scientists have come to their discoveries first by assumption and then by analyzing it and proving themselves that they are right or wrong.If you assume that what you see is what you get (WYSWING ) then you will never question anything and just live by that rules, in dark, or in fear that maybe by trying to figure something out you will get to the answers that could drive you to madness. Maybe one of the best feelings that you can have is when you turn out to be right in your assumption. Let's say you see a girl in a bar and she looks in your way, and smiles to you. You can assume that she likes you, approach her and maybe start a nice chatter discover you just like her so much and she likes you. Get married with her and have children. Of course, you can also assume that like all the time before she is just smiling to someone behind you and never talk to her. Both of those things can be right, but if you never ask you will never know.That is like science, or even religion, and almost everything else in life. I know for myself that i assume too much, and i often end up being wrong in it. But someday i'll assume just right, beacouse i'm assuming that it just has to happen. I'll rather live and be wrong, but live by my feelings, than just say "What's there is there, and i there is no way to change it". That additude is not going to bring anybody anywhere, beacouse we need to take our chance, we need to take a risk and just dig into something to find out the truth behind it. I love psychics and enjoy reading books about it. I also like to assume that there is much much more in life than many people belive, but it is not easy to get it. Learning, reading, practicing and sacrificing to that couse will probably end up with positive result, and if it doesn't at least i'll know, i lived a life that i felt was worth living. Analyze this

[Smack 0]

Ever seen Men in Black? In it, a universe is contained in a marble that hangs on a cat's collar. In another instance, a door is opened and it turns out to be a small locker in a gigantic-other worldly locker room. So of course, size is relative. What exists past galaxys, if we were to fly past them? Nothing. The Big Bang Theory shows that all matter was once contained in a very dense ball the size of a penpoint. Time passed and it exploded sending out all the matter that now makes up us, the planets, and the stars. The matter is still expanding from that center point, we can see everything on the other side of the universe moving away from us and those on this side moving towards us. In fact, there is a galaxy heading straight for us as we speak, it will envelop us one day.

[aminzzlink 1]

I think , for all people who want make new things (new Theorie, new Invention...) should know where others scientifique are in ... maybe you are looking for the origine of the atome that maybe don't exist ....
have you heard "String theory" , maybe if u google about it you will find it (official site)
this theorie is making us posible to see inside the atome and zoom in the inside ......
The basic idea behind this string theorie is that the constituents of reality are strings of extremely small size (possibly of the order of the Planck length, about 10-35 m) which vibrate at specific resonant frequencies. Thus, any particle should be thought of as a tiny vibrating object, rather than as a point. This object can vibrate in different modes (just as a guitar string can produce different notes), with every mode appearing as a different particle (electron, photon, etc.). Strings can split and combine, which would appear as particles emitting and absorbing other particles, presumably giving rise to the known interactions between particles.
in other why with this theory we can see diference between strings just by the way they vibrate , and we can find the vibration of the graviton string that give the atom it's mass ... this theaory make sense on a lot of things , but the problem is that's need 11 dimontions to be correct (we know just 4) ... the problem is that we cant do experiences to argue this theory , so finelly scientifics found an experience: is to make atoms crash ... the atoms crack.... so if they see a the graviton string disappear(no wieght) they will know that there are others dimontions than 4. but until now no experience can tell us the reallity of these strings....

[note] if this theory is the reallity , we will be able to find a relation between all forces (gravitation ,electromagnetic,Nuclear).

http://superstringtheory.com/basics/index.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory

[csp4.0 1]

Um, but those theories are taken from weird movies that only think about getting viewers. Scientific TV program (like doctor who or stargate) are more reliable sources of theories.Take Doctor who for example, who says that everything is all happening at the same time even though time itself does not exist.every decision we make creates a different parallel universe, so if i were to accidentally type accidentally wrong then that would have created a universe. In between universes is the place called the void. People that program know that void means nothing, so in the void there is 100% vacuum, no particles, no color, no shades so thats why nobody knows what the void looks like.To people we might actually be living on their quark and them living on another specie's quark. We won't know until we can use FTL travel or build quantum network tunnels like the ones from Supreme commander or Stargate

[hitmanblood 0]

This might be really long discussion and it is lasting for very long time among the best brains we have in XX and XXI century. I really don't know what to think to be exact and I have read several books on the topic but still everything is illusion and imagination we don't have real proof we even know if those particles exist as we are still trying to prove them like Hicks Boson in the CERN International laboratory. However the theory I most found of is theory of super strings which explains universe as several dimensions like time space that x y z coordinate then some dimensions in which are included forces like gravitational and the fact that gravitationl force is so low comes from this that it spreads trough all 12 or so dimensions. And I furthermore assume that space is expanding which we have in fact several proofs like red shift and dark amtter. Hopefully all of you are familiar with these terms.Also I would like to point that in this topic there are in fact two questions one was how do we percive universe itself and the other is how do we or what we assume is after the final border.I cannot offer any logical answer to this question however I think that after the final border is just one more dimension which maybe characterizes the speed and the way of unverse expension. After this border there is another one and so on and so on to infinity however as space is infinite itself. I would say that all those borders are connected and as our dimension that is universe that we percive is only one material others are only made from pure energy that is why there are also connection between our space and those other dimensions which in fact keep this cycle or mechanism alive and those loopholes are black holes which trnasfer our mattery into the energy keeping mechanism working. However and Unfortuantely we might never find exact answer to these two questions which might keep eluding us even further.

[salamangkero 0]

I once came across, in this board, a topic about visualizing the tenth dimension. Well, I rummaged in my HD and found a link. It's a very lovely site, in that it was pleasing to the eye. Might I also add that it was very helpful in actually visualizing the tenth dimension. (Click the helix on the right to "visualize" it) No, my mind can only suspend its disbelief for so long I can only grasp up to the 7th dimension.

Basically, when I read the posts, however, it does seem like the universe is/was being viewed as some sort of "fractal", which can be zoomed on infinitely. However, if we equate one end (the large universe) to the other (the quarks, or whichever is the smallest particle), we'd have a universe that can be shattered from within. Like, if you happen to focus a lot of lasers unto that particle, you could probably end up heating the universe. The heating universe, on the other hand, could then heat itself up and the universe could go on a rampage, heating itself infinitely.

In other words, a universe whose entirety can be affected from within, is teetering on a very unstable tightrope. It can only accept so much stimuli until a critical "mass" or "level" triggers a runaway reaction like heating up, cooling down, exploding, green jell-o infestation and the like. (FYI, I also imagined a fractal universe, only, the entire thing was submerged in a beaker of "something" somewhere)

I guess, more than anything, I don't want to be part of a Homer Simpson.

On a side note, I once saw a poster showing the back of Homer's head with the words, "Intel Inside"

[seargentpepper7 0]

Wow this post is getting alot of response and all of them are very interesting but very long so I only read the first 3 and the last 2.That is interesting about the smaller particles matak and the 11 dimensions. This kind of topic is alot of fun to discus since it makes you think way out of the box.csp: I actually want to be a movie producer when I get older because of the fact they are so open to so many different ideas and give people ideas which can turn into theories. Even if a movie is completely incorrect in so many ways and breaks so many laws someone can change a few things around to make it make since to them like in the Simpsons episode there may have been scientific errors in it but it made me think in a different way.I think it's fun to think of it in the simplest way possible where were inside a galaxy which is inside a universe which is inside a "Quantum Theory" which is inside of an organism which is inside of another world which is inside of a galaxy and so on and also vice versa. Smack: You made me remember MIB which is pretty much a simplified version of what I'm talking about because it is smaller worlds within smaller worlds. BTW, very good movie...OpaQue: Think of it this way. Instead of zooming in zoom out until the galaxie is about the size of the dimmest star in the night. Now that speck could be anything as far as you know without scientists telling you what it really is. But there are lots of galaxies so imagine zooming out even farther until the space between the galaxies is not see able and it looks like a larger speck (Which is really combined of thousands of galaxies) but still without the aide of a scientist to tell you what it is as far as you know its a large/bright star. So if you can't see the exact detailed surface of quork then how do you know it isn't trillions of galaxies that are to close together to measure but are not touching meaning at a certain view they would seem very far apart. I hope that helped you to understand unless you did understand and I just didn't understand your post.

[matak 2]

Often ppl wonder what's it about. What is happiness, sorrow, love, hate? Universe and everything else. You can say that the answer is You. It is all about you. All the things that you feel, experience and do, they are all about you. Someone might say that it is selfish. But i don't think so. You can't help anyone else unless first you help yourself. So put this in universe perspective. You can wonder what is behind a galaxy, or what is smaller than atom. To understand that You need to study it, to read about it, to learn, teach. Do math, learn psychics and manage to live your life at the same time. How many people have that chance? Little. A very small number of ppl have that chance, beacouse life is hard.Not everybody can have time to study about universe, and superstring theory. But lot's of people who don't have time to study about it, sometimes really like to read a good book or watch a good movie that puts, and mixes ideas in fun 2 hour ride. If you have time to learn and improve that knowledge then you are going to be massively appreciated by many people. You will help them, in a way that it's hard to imagine. Even visions, and wrong perceptions of everything can set off people. And that is all done by You ;)Everyone of us is a universe for billions of bacteria, viruses, single cell organisms etc. And what's happening in our minds is beyond the perspective of any living beeing. I watched this movie, Waking Life in which they mentioned, that independent researchers were testing users on how do they solve crossword puzzles. They usualy gave them latest issues of some world magazines, but now and then without them knowing they would give them a day old crosswords that millions of people have solved just the day before. Their scores went up by 20%. Of course that is just a movie, and i'm not sure how true it is, but it certanley set me off.

[hitmanblood 0]

hehe These words how everything is about us are just teh thing which in fact prevented us from reasoning more about universe it is kinda producing dogma that human beings cannot get this or understand or that we are limited by our short and brief existence in the universe and that we are really not affecting it. This may be the biggest thing that we cannot affect it almost in any way. It is similar to the catholic church dogma about earth being in the centre of the universe it is just egocentric. We are just dot we cannot be compared with the hugeness of the universe and if we still keep thinking how we are in the center of it we wont see progress. That is why people burned scientist for stating that earth is third insignficant planet in our solar system. And that GOD did not give us better meaning.We should be over such thinkings and we should keep going on and keep researching and finding out more facts and certainties about universe. Whatever we do we cannot affect "our" universe. We can affect this dot we are sitting on and no more not at the time being. That is why I am saying that we have to stop such egocentric points of view and start reasoning process even though if we couldn't find solution right away and we might spend years oin research but we have to try and keep going then we can really find the reason for our small existence.

[Smack 0]

We will most likely never find the reason of our existence in this lifetime. I'm not talking about our 70 or so years specifically, but the lifetime that we all have on Earth. Maybe after death we will find out? Though I kind of think there is no reason to life.Seen the news lately? Scientists have found a planet around a distant star that is set up perfectly to have water on it. Water supports life. Water has to be present for life to exist. - From what we know anyways. Though this planet could hold water and not life... who knows?By the way we can tell that a distant speck in the night sky is a star because of the light it emits. From the light we can decipher what elements the light is fueled by and etc. Astronomy is a fun class.

[hitmanblood 0]

I hate to say but I think you are wrong as we can deduce by the method you explained just which elements are present in the star and trough which elements did light passed. And as far as I know we don't have way to find which elements are on certain planet and especially that distant. And furthermore we are not even certain if europe has water I am reffering to that satellite. And water is needed for life but only life in this form we know and if there is life in the universe then for certain there had been some other forms of life and not similar to ours.