Anti-communism

[JasperIk 0]

Communism is a great idea that has just been used, or attempted poorly. I keep reading how if people use communism, one person will be doing more than the other, and being paid the same as someone doing less...okay well i see a lot of hard workers, who get paid very minimal compared to others working not even half as hard as they do...whay is the difference? Atleast no one will be more rich than another. I understand the religious problems, because technically with communism you have to be no religion or only one...to be the same, but that is a good thing. Diversity obviously just gets us in trouble. I just have so many opinions about communism, but basically i support it-when it is done right...or rather if it is.

[Voidless_Shadows 0]

Because its not the right kind of equal. Not your rights, but what you can purchase/earn. It limits you to: this is what you are, nothing else.

You can't choose for yourself, or really even think. Its almost as if your life is a written story by law.

[jhsmurray 0]

...okay well i see a lot of hard workers, who get paid very minimal compared to others working not even half as hard as they do...whay is the difference? Atleast no one will be more rich than another.

IMO that it is valid argument against communism. Why should people strive to do well in a rewardless economy? Promotion means more responsibility without pay to squeeze out a gov't established quota of widgets every month - that means by the end of the month the factory churns out crap just to meet the deadline. And guess what - there is no competive market because its entirely controlled - you are stuck with bad quality items if you dont time your purchase right. Your stuck with junk like everyone else in that economy. Capitalism has its problems for sure, but IMO nowhere near as bad...

 

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Cuba seems to be doing OK because it balances its depleting sugar economy with tourism.

 

China's economy has been somewhat modified from the Russian style to Market Based reforms, with impressive results:

China GDP Chart

Edited November 10, 2006 by jhsmurray (see edit history)

[Kioku 0]

Communism might try to state that everyone's equal, but no Government truly works that way. Both Democracy and Communism both have their upsides and downsides.

[JasperIk 0]

Because its not the right kind of equal. Not your rights, but what you can purchase/earn. It limits you to: this is what you are, nothing else.

You can't choose for yourself, or really even think. Its almost as if your life is a written story by law.

 

Well in america, I don't have equal rights anyway...so why not everyone have equal rights. Wouldn't in theory i be allowed to marry, if everyone else can? Democracy isn't equal, and it isn't fair, its only fair for the majority, and those who agree with the government, life can't always be fair..but it'd be great if everyone felt the unfairness, and were forced to be equal.

[osknockout 0]

Why should people strive to do well in a rewardless economy?

That's like asking why people should take low-end jobs in which they have to work hard for low wage? Why do people want to become firefighters or policemen in this day and age? I think the idea is that you do it because you feel obligated to. Communism might assume a different view of work - you work because you should and not because you feel like it. Hence why you only get as much as you need. And I don't think any government assumes that everyone is equal. At least economically. It's just that in communism the government treats you like you are.

[lwolfe26 0]

The problem with communism is leadership. For communism to work it has to be across the board, the president, congressmen, senators, etc would have to be equal to everyone else. Due to human nature, you always have someone bigger, better, higher up than everyone else who gets greedy. No country has a perfect system, there are problems with democracy, socialism, communism.

[Kioku 0]

Wouldn't in theory i be allowed to marry, if everyone else can?

Okay. We'll just allow people to marry groups, animals, and inanimate objects while we're at it. Stop throwing out a Straw Man argument, please. Get back on topic.

My one friend Don has pointed out that when Russia was the USSR still; everything was alot better for the people inside of there in alot of ways. Now, there's herion junkies and the entire Chechyn thing they have to deal with that wouldn't have been much of a problem and delt with swiftly, back then.
Edited December 5, 2006 by Kioku (see edit history)

[osknockout 0]

Okay. We'll just allow people to marry groups, animals, and inanimate objects while we're at it. Stop throwing out a Straw Man argument, please. Get back on topic.

Wow. Harsh. Even for that type of logical fallacy.
True, there is the nationalist minority problem, but it's just more accentuated now. Only thing is the rate at which they're allowed to deal with it with international media coverage. With Putin around, seems like it's slowly reverting to the tried and true Soviet methods... e.g. that ban on non-government organizations that almost passed... so I don't know if that's just a short-term change of government thing, cause things like that happen in most transition phases.

[dylan2xs 0]

Well Communism does not work right now, and i think the main reason is that the natural yearning of the human spirit is to be free, all countries with communistic systems failed for example you can see Cubans risk their own lives crossing shark infested waters on crafts made of tires and aluminum to come to the United States just running away from communism ..as i said it does not work in a real world ..in a fantasy land.. well maybe communism sounds great ..like paradise on earth ..but now its impossible because to make that happens its needed perfect people in goverment and perfect citizens supporting them.

[SportsLegends 0]

As Winston Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of government, except all those other forms."Communism only works if you have a very positive view of the nature of man. If left without financial incentives, would a person really work just as hard as he would in a Capitalist system where he would reap precisely what he sowed (after taxes)? As was shown in the Soviet Union, the answer is "no". And because people do not have motivation to work when they are not being adequately compensated, it forces the government of Communist countries into one of three options: abort Communism, live in poverty, or scare the workers into working.That, in my opinion, is the major difference between capitalism and communism- in capitalism, the hard-worker is rewarded by financial gain- in communism, the slacker is oftentimes severely punished. I would prefer to live under the capitalist system- I prefer the carrot to the stick.