Anti-communism

[kev2310 0]

now why does everybody hate communism its not such a bad idea, we are all equal and therefore share everyhting equaly. Although some poeple claim communis is the cause of menigitus although further testing has proved it not so. so why do poeple hate communism ? 'it ruins the whole way of life' ' it does not allow people the chance to succeed' most of that is crap althoguh i can see where they are coming from. althoguh there wrong. maybe instead of being afraid of communism we should embrace it and learn what it can give us. Also star wars phantom menice sucked!!peace out

[ghostrider 0]

I don't think that everyone hates communism, I just think it is disliked because it has failed every single time that it has been implemented in a country, and back in the Cold War people thought that communists are out to get them. It isn't a bad system in theory, and maybe in a small group of hard working people it could successfully work, but other than that the human emotion called greed will kick in, and people will start stealing so they can have better things, which in turn causes more jealousy and problems. Not everyone hates communism, but most people know it fails in large numbers of people.Ohh and by the way, Welcome to Xisto! I see this is your first post.

Edited November 3, 2006 by ghostrider (see edit history)

[AlternativeNick 0]

alright, ill go ahead and start a communist community, you can go out and farm and ill sell what you make, you have to do all the hard work, ill sit on my butt and sell what you make and then we can split the money ok?thats really what communism suggests, have one group of people do the hard work, another group do the easy stuff, and you all get paid the same.and thats only when it works right, in all the situations that communism has actually been used, they make the already poor people do all the hard work, and then the already rich people make all the money, hence the phrase 'the rich get richer and the poor get poorer'

[the_aggie10 0]

communism is stupid. all it does is have a dictator. and all a dictator does is tell everyone, yes everyone what to do. we wouldnt want that would we? NO we wouldnt, if that was the case the human race would be off the face of the earth.

[Dooga 0]

Communism currently exist as modified versions. Some different "versions" of communism would be socialism, and democratic socialism (such as Canada where welfare and such compensations are commonly distributed). Communism is just an extreme on the ideologies. Communism doesn't actually involve dictatorship, although it could. It's based on an idea that everyone will have the same money, opinions, and religion, all except for a leader or a group of leaders. This is the ultimate flaw, as this group of leaders usually have too much power. Unless we get a group of unbias robots to control the society, communism doesn't work too well.Most countries aren't communist. China is currently a socialist country, and moving towards a socialist democracy. Of course, we know that North Korea is an extreme exception.

[randomdood 0]

communism doesn't exist, it's a theory, csome government systems try to follow this but there is no true communism in the world, there is always some capitalism mixed in *which is also a theory) the idea i hate about communism though is public schools, i have my reasons for it.

[Yacoby 0]

now why does everybody hate communism its not such a bad idea

In my opinion communism is a great idea, it just encountered one problem, the fact that humans are in most cases greedy, and have a liability to get corrupt. Based on the idea of how a human works, capitalism is a better idea.

alright, ill go ahead and start a communist community, you can go out and farm and ill sell what you make, you have to do all the hard work, ill sit on my butt and sell what you make and then we can split the money ok?
thats really what communism suggests, have one group of people do the hard work, another group do the easy stuff, and you all get paid the same.

That is what happens under capitalism, except people get payed a different amount, and the guy who "sits on his butt" gets a huge bonus at the end of the year.


One of the problems with communism was that shopkeepers had no incentive to sell you things, there are stories of people having to spend 10 minutes to get the shop keeper to admit to the fact that he had something in stock. There is no motivation.

[Tailson 0]

I just think it is disliked because it has failed every single time that it has been implemented in a country

Not true. Cuba is a communist country, and they work just fine. Well, better than all the other countries who attempted it anyway. China is still technically a communist country. The only problem is that the ordinary citizens in China have been fed propoganda that their country is doing better than every other counrty in the world by isolating individual communication to the rest of the world (for example, internet keywords such as "freedom", "equality" and other such words are blocked from the web using nationwide filters).
And there are cases here in England that communism will work. With the growing cases of assaults and stabbings in and around my area, and with large groups of "chavs" (Ack) hanging around the streets, all our current law enforcement can do is tell them off, and get their phone numbers, in which case they'll probably give false ones. Now, if we were a communism, these groups of people walking around causing trouble will no longer be told off, but threatened by the army that if they didn't leave and get off the streets, well, you can guess what happens then.

Not a nice thing to be thinking about, but extreme problems call for extreme solutions.

[jhsmurray 0]

Here's a historical response to the question:

One of the main reasons why westerners hate communism (particularly in the United States) is because of how things transgressed immediately following WWII.

 

Side note: when people think of communism, they think of Russia (or USSR) most likely. But Russia wasnt the truest form of communism in the Marxist sense.

 

During the Cold War era, communism represented the other half of the Mutually Assured Destruction equation. There was also something called the "Domino Theory", which was a perception that the USSR was aggressively enforcing the communist agenda to its neighbors, one country at a time. The polemic idealism was perpetuated by propaganda on both sides. But what the west called the "Domino Theory" was actually a medieval strategy employed by Russia and her predecessors as a defense matrix in the event of a land war. One of the more widely studied communist leaders is the Russian Party Leader Kruschev who was responsible for the raising of the Berlin Wall. This was not to stop a potential invasion from the west, but to prevent people defecting from Russia. The main reason that Russia staggered is, well IMO, because of their political system - communism. Is it a reason to hate communism? No, but I hope it helps explain where some of the hatred comes from.

 

By the way, westerners were not the only ones to promulgate the communist system. Naziism is diametrically opposed to communism - even though Russia and Germany had a non-aggression contract at the start of WWII, it was basically only a matter of time before the Germans invaded Russia.

 

And there are cases here in England that communism will work. With the growing cases of assaults and stabbings in and around my area, and with large groups of "chavs" (Ack) hanging around the streets, all our current law enforcement can do is tell them off, and get their phone numbers, in which case they'll probably give false ones. Now, if we were a communism, these groups of people walking around causing trouble will no longer be told off, but threatened by the army that if they didn't leave and get off the streets, well, you can guess what happens then.

 

I think I know where you're coming from, but I'd have to argue against communism.

 

Sometimes I visit the UK, and in one suburb of London I see that they have CCTV everywhere (are they even on?). But the 5 or 6 times I visited there, not one time have I seen the police - but there are some bad apples around there looking for trouble, I've run into a few of them. Even so, it would be sad to see it devolve into marshall law, or a police state. That would be overkill. More to the point, communism does not necessarily preclude violence.

 

I guess my main argument against communism is I am a rugged individualist. I think each of us should have a voice that is equally heard, and I think we should all have a hand in deciding the policies of our government (eg Democracy). But I do not hate communism - I dont really have any reason to. I have the luxury of living in a country where communism is not supported.

 

Thinking in terms of economy, its a tough call. Before I would have plainly said that communist countries could never have a booming economy. Now, I am not so sure - it's worth going over if anyone has recent statistics - I think that would be a valid point to make.

[Madkat-Z 0]

Unfortunately communism was given a bad name by those who tried to implement the process. Mostly because either the leader abused their power or it wasn't implemented correctly. If I remember reading about the whole philosophy a communism should even be run by a dictator, but more like a democracy. So in a sense most of the attempts made in history haven't even been a true attempt at the system.The other thing is that many people don't like the idea that they would be getting paid the same as everyone else, because many people spend alot of time and effort into their jobs and feel they should get paid more then someone who hasn't put as much time and effort into their job. Which I understand. If you spend 4 years in college to become a rocket scientist and you get paid as much as a fast food worker who spent only 4 years in high school, I would feel like I was pulling the short straw.

[cangor 0]

Aww, communism. Ok, well, I mean, it's really true that there's almost no chance of it actuallyh working in people coming from a capitalistic society. Take china, for example. It was going good at first, but in china, russia, etc, it's always collapsed into stalinism/socialism. I agree that communism is a good idea, but as Lord Acton, my friend and yours said, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Basically, if communism always has to have a leader, that leader will most likely become a socialist dictator.Reccomended Reading:Karl Marx - The Communist Manifestoor, if you want an even older view on something like communism, read Thomas More's Utopia. Good stuff.

[GalginDa 0]

I personaly don't think that communism is all that bad. It is bad when you get a crackpot leader controling everything in a country. If the leader, which could be a man or a woman but most often a man who is deranged and while controling the nation has unlimited access to nuclear weapons and a military to do what every they want. Look at the USSR both us meaning the United States and them were at a stand off to war because we didn't understand one another. Learning what another group of people is all about is a good thing. So instead of jumping to conclusions about communism or anything else, you need to take time to get to know the people and take time to understand where they are coming from. I personally disagree with what communism does to a nation. The country loses all it's ambition. For this reason communism has alwaysed failed and I belive always will fail. I belive that communistic nations should be dealt with most severly and that if they are not dealt with imeediatily that can become a dark smudge and a rapidly improving world. God Bless America.

[joedoe4_ 0]

you know communisim might acctually be a good way to end all of these democrat and republican parties but still not one of all the communist countries has not been to war (that includes civial and around the world and in the past and present)so democracy still has my vote

[GalginDa 0]

I can't agree more. War in a communistic state is horrible because if the leader does not know how to run a war campaign then the nation is doomed. In a democracy you have multiple people giving imput so that the outcome is much more likely to be positive. That is why execpt Vietnam that we have never lost a war in America. We also have something to fight for. We have our freedom other nations don't have freedom of anything else truly worth while to fight for. That is why i agree with democracy.

[osknockout 0]

Hmm... the way I see it, communism has such a bad reputation -especially in the West- is because people tend to view different forms of government from themselves as potentially hostile. Especially when two countries are equal in power. I mean think about it: Rome vs Carthage, Athens vs Sparta, Poland vs Teutonic Knights, Ottoman Empire vs Europe, Napoleon vs the Sixth Coalition, Axis vs Allies, USSR vs USA. These were all major conflicts that arose because these nations believed that their form of government and culture was superior and irreconcilable to the other one, and therefore the other had to go or security against it had to be obtained at all costs. Also, people tend to associate communism with dictatorship. Although it's strange to me how a country like America could lambast Khrushchev and Andropov and yet support Franco and Mobutu.

War in a communistic state is horrible because if the leader does not know how to run a war campaign then the nation is doomed. In a democracy you have multiple people giving imput so that the outcome is much more likely to be positive. That is why execpt Vietnam that we have never lost a war in America. We also have something to fight for. We have our freedom other nations don't have freedom of anything else truly worth while to fight for. That is why i agree with democracy.

Hmm... if I'm right, Stalin was so ignorant of war as to purge nearly all of his General Staff before WWII, yet the Soviet Union fought all the way to Berlin knocking on Hitler's door. And did the Soviet Union lose a single war besides the Polish-Soviet War? - WWI not counting, they weren't fighting it and it was practically civil war soon afterwards. And please don't tell me it lost the "Cold War". I'm talking about actual warfare.
I mean it's nice that a lot of people here are patriots of their fatherland, but you can't assume that just because a country is communist means that it's automatically inferior. Give it a chance. Most countries never got that chance because of some dictator or some power-hungry individual. Look at Czechoslovakia during the Prague Spring. "Communism with a face". And then Brezhnev came and rolled tanks through it when he thought it was becoming too liberal. Honestly, I'd say communism never got a real chance. It supposedly started in the largest and most backward country - which it wasn't supposed to do - and never did spread to an advanced, first-world country - which it was supposed to do. I'd say just going by Marxist theory that true communism never came, just gleanings of it. Kind of like the roots of democracy. Athens had a system where only men of property could vote, was practically an oligarchy, and yet is called the founder of democracy. Even though it fell and democracy never came till the time of USA. Perhaps the same will be true of communism. But still, you can't say "case closed" because the case is not done. Communism hasn't spread to a leading, first-world industrialized nation yet, so you can't say it'll never work because its conditions were never realized.