play4profits 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2005 No, I'm NOT talking about getting paid only when you win! I'm talking about getting paid when you draw (break even), and even when you lose! Better yet, how about getting paid when OTHER people gamble as well? http://www3.aspiritus.com/ Go here for FREE lottery tickets: http://www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=cashflowrevolution&e=com John Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlhaslip 4 Report post Posted October 17, 2005 It sounds too good to be true and that reminds me of the expression: " If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is." Hope no one gets hurt... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
research2012 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2005 yeah it looks like to complex for me please post if you get paid and tell use how you did it. I dont wanna shrug off what could be a good program, but I am spreading my self quite thin lately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Compute 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Its looks/sounds like a scam. There is probably something behind it like you have to buy some stuff.... There?s got to be some sort of catch.One of the reasons I don't think they would actually pay you for gambling because if it was true why in the world will people go to collage. or work. They would just sit in from of the computer and gamble.Too good to be true. If you get paid let me know.Good luck. Be careful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lyon2 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2005 jlhaslip, for me is the other way arround, is something is to good to be true it's because it's not true, but i'm sute i'll try cause it doesn't heart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HmmZ 0 Report post Posted October 24, 2005 First of all, lyon2 please keep in mind that grammar checkers can do wonders if you need them, its plain annoying when someone cant write well-readable posts.Second, i dont think i will ever try gambling for money, you wonder why, because to me that means double risks. If the company turns out to be a flaw, you're nailed. Second risk is the gambling itself, there are no guerantees that the gambling might be rigged or that you have such bad luck that you never succeed, then you would be better off going for some other way to make money. But thats just my opinion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
play4profits 0 Report post Posted October 28, 2005 I see that my post have created some healthy scepticism.... I have been with this company and its predecessor since Feb. 2003 in Canada. It has been available to the US market for just 5 months now. This is the only company in the world to successfully merge gaming and network marketing! In addition, MLM Watchdog Mr. Rod Cook has authored the most competitive legal pay plan in the industry!I suggest you listen to the latest conference call:http://www.aspiritus.com/resources/TeleConnce-28Oct05.mp3Go here for FREE Sweepstakes8 tickets:http://www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=cashflowrevolution&e=comRegards,John Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[i]_R_Crazy_Idiot 0 Report post Posted October 29, 2005 Hmm, I haven't listened to the confrence call, but I'm sure it could easily be faked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S Holmes 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2005 Aspiritus; Renamed version of the infamous WGI pyramid scam. Aspiritus is a direct descendant (or renamed version) of World Games Incorporated (WGI), a pyramid scam which was very active in Scandinavia, UK, and Canada from 2001 to early 2005. It originated in Australia, as Virtual Games Global (VGG), but changed its name and its "hunting grounds" after the Australian authorities stopped its operation in Australia. The "chairman" and owner of this pyramid scam is the Australian fraudster Gregory James Kennedy, who was previously operating property and loan frauds in Western Australia. You may find some information about him at these links: Debates from the state parliament in Western Australia, where Gregory James Kennedy's frauds became a political issue: http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ E001076C6/$file/A0524002.PDF Various newspaper articles about Greg Kennedy's property frauds: http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ WGI used to claim that propery/loan fraudster Greg Kennedy is not the same person as WGI pyramid scheme boss Greg Kennedy, despite the fact that the names are exactly the same, "both" are of the same age, and "both" were involved in illegal activities. Initially, WGI had large growth (around 450 000 members maximum), and early entrants earned money from recruitment rewards and rising "share" prices in a Ponzi-style "Stock Market Game". However, recruitment fell in 2004, and payout to members (except for a few top dogs called World Leaders) virtually ceased in August 2004, and the "share" price dropped by more than 90%. As with other Ponzis and pyramid scams that are in the collapse phase, the payment problems were blamed on the banks etc, and payment was always promised to come "very soon". WGI stopped operating in early 2005, and it was announced that its "assets" had been bought by a company called Aspiritus N.V., based in the Netherlands Antilles (well-known tax evasion and money-laundering haven). In reality, this takeover was only a renaming and reorganisation of the pyramid scheme, because the majority of Aspiritus is owned by Greg Kennedy's company Pacific Delta Investments Ltd, which previously ran the pyramid scam WGI. Aspiritus is run by the same people that ran WGI; Notable personalities are WGI "president" (now Aspiritus Operations Director )Greg Young, WGI press spokesman (now Aspiritus Marketing Director) Conall McSorley, a swiss Aspiritus figurehead Jost Steinbruchel (involved with VGG/WGI since 2001), and with Gregory James Kennedy lurking in the shadows behind it and controlling all, as 'Non-executive Chairman'. WGI owed large sums of money to its members when it stopped operating. The money in the members' accounts was not paid out, but were converted to "units", which (it is claimed) can later be sold or converted to shares in Aspiritus. However, these "units"/shares are extremely overpriced (by a factor of at least 10), and no members have managed to sell such "units", so the money the members had in WGI must be regarded as lost. There have been convictions against WGI and its promotors for illegal pyramid selling activities in Australia, Canada, Sweden and Finland, plus a trial in preparation against WGI promotors in Denmark. Here are links to court decisions in Brisbane, Australia: WorldPlay Services (the company which originally ran WGI) and its director Gregory James Kennedy were convicted of illegal pyramid selling. They also lost the appeal. http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ (full text of the court decision) Appeal reference: http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ nitionItemId=16940 "Full Federal Court upholds finding Gold Coast company part of international pyramid selling scheme Gold Coast company Worldplay Services Pty Ltd breached the Trade Practices Act 1974 by participating in an international online pyramid selling scheme, the Full Federal Court upheld today. The decision also upheld that the company's director, Mr Greg Kennedy, was found to be knowingly concerned in the contravention. The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission began proceedings in December 2003 alleging that World Games Inc, which operated internationally using a website, was an illegal pyramid scheme." Link to court ruling convicting Canadian WGI promotors of pyramid selling: http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ https://www.lotterypost.com/news/102404 "The eight people in the Alberta scheme were charged in September with conducting or managing a pyramid scheme and an illegal lottery for their alleged involvement with an organization known as World Games Inc. Investigators allege that World Games took in millions of dollars in illicit revenues. The organization at one point boasted an international membership of over 400,000. The total number of Canadians victimized by this activity is as yet unknown." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
play4profits 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2005 S.Holmes is just a disgruntled WGI member who still lives in the past.... The new company (Aspiritus) is getting a new payplan these days authored by Mr. Rod Cook. This will be the most competitive and legal payplan ever designed! What are the chances that Mr. Rod Cook would associate himself with a pyramid scam??? http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/ http://www.mlmconsultant.com/mlmrcook.htm http://www3.aspiritus.com/ Regards, John http://www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=cashflowrevolution&e=com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S Holmes 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 S.Holmes is just a disgruntled WGI member who still lives in the past.... Sorry, John! I have never been a member of WGI or Aspiritus, although I have been subjected to a couple of recruitment attempts.However, I have studied the pyramid scam in some detail, and I have friends and co-workers who have lost money on it. More than 200 000 people are estimated to have lost money on WGI in Norway, and the names WGI and Greg Kennedy are mud here. That is probably one of the reasons why the WGI scammers chose to change the name to Aspiritus, let Greg Kennedy run it from she shadows, and insert the new figurehead Steinbruchel. As to living in the past, I think it is very important to know the past history of people who want you to invest money in their projects. Why Mr Cook has chosen to work for Aspiritus, I cannot say, but he may have been lured by money, or the WGI/Aspiritus bosses, who are accomplished liars, may have managed to conceal the fact that Aspiritus is WGI with a new name. To deny that Aspiritus is the successor to WGI, is a strategy they cling desperately on to, without convincing very many who know the facts. Aspiritus claims that "Aspiritus N.V. is not associated with WGI" FACTS: Four of the board members of Aspiritus were previously involved in WGI, and Gregory James Kennedy still has a controlling interest in Aspiritus: The board of directors of Aspiritus are: Chief Executive Officer/ Chief Financial Officer Jost Steinbruchel Operations Director Greg Young Marketing Director - Conall McSorley Company Secretary Simon Hade Director Jan Buess Director Paul-Andre Jacot Chairman (Non Exec) Greg Kennedy - Greg (Gregory James) Kennedy was chairman and principal owner of WGI, and he essentially still owns and controls the scheme, because his company Pacific Delta Investments Ltd. (which previously ran WGI) still owns between 65 and 70% of Aspiritus. This has been verified by Norwegian newspapers/media who have reviewed the "takeover" documents http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ (In Norwegian, Hegnar Online financial website) - Greg Young was previously President and CEO of WGI. - Conall McSorley was previously press spokesman of WGI, dishing out the most inventive lies about why members were not receiving their money. - Jost Steinbruchel is stated to be the leader of an outside group of businessmen who supposedly started Aspiritus and bought WGI's assets. However, Steinbruchel has been involved in the WGI scheme since around 2001, when he acquired a sizeable ownership interest in an obsure Canadian mining company called Caesars Explorations Inc., which later changed its name to Great Southern Enterprises Corp. http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ In 2004, Great Southern Enterprises Corp. was officially stated to be the "parent company" of WGI. http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ (you may need The Wayback Machine for this one) The products are essentially the same: Gambling marketed by MLM (or alternatively, a pyramid scheme masked as a gambling site). Only significant difference is that the stock market geme in Aspiritus sells four types of virtual (worthless) shares, while SMG in WGI had only one. The promotors of Aspiritus are very much the same as the WGI promotors. A shining example of this is Ms Shirley "70challenger"/"bryconn", who probably made the complaint leading to deletion of posts by S Holmes. Shirley "70challenger"/"bryconn" has been a very active WGI and Aspiritus promotor since August 2004, spamming many web forums with promotional posts for WGI/Aspiritus. You can easily verify this by doing a Google search with keywords either "70challenger" or "bryconn". She even continued promoting WGI after Canadian WGI promotors had been found guilty of illegal pyramid selling in December 2004, i.e. in direct defiance of §55 of the Competition Act of her own country (Canada), and in defiance of a court decision clearly stating that WGI was an illegal pyramid scheme. Even many prominent WGI promotors openly state that Aspiritus is a renamed version of WGI. A notable example is MLM author Pete Billac, who was advertised as key speaker at the first Aspiritus recruiting meeting in USA (11 June 2005 in Las Vegas). At Pete Billac's web site http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ , the heading of his WGI/Aspiritus book web page is: "Aspiritus N.V. (formerly World Games Inc) By Pete Billac" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heavensounds 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 Well another scam if you ask me, because WHY WOULD SOMEONE GIVE YOU MONEY FOR FREE???!!!!! it just ain't logical...i hope that noone will suffer because of this - they usually have a sort of thing that yuo have to pay just a litlle bit in advance and than you'll get LOOOT's of money, but then you get nothing and you relaize that you only lost some money!!greetz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
play4profits 0 Report post Posted November 2, 2005 Well, I have been with this company and its predecessor since 2003, and I haven't lost any money yet. Besides, The Bank of Norway has issued records which shows that approx. 300 million N.Kroner has been paid out to more than 5000 members in Norway alone. Must be pretty crowded on top of this alleged "pyramid".... WGI faced many challenges in several countries around the world. Why? Because the authorities obviously want to protect one of the biggest dairy cows they have - the national lotteries etc. Other legitimate MLM companies (lotion, potion and powder companies) didn't get that much attention because they didn't deliver a product that was in direct competition with their own interests. I say that because the payplans don't differ that much. The verdict that S.Holmes refers to in Australia was instigated by another commonwealth country - Canada - to have WGI's operations shut down. WGI was off limit to the residents of Australia at the time anyway.Why don't you ask Rod Cook himself if he is indeed associated with a pyramid scam, or go to http://z10.invisionfree.com/ASPIRITUSnews/index.php to ask other members if they feel that they have been scammed...?Johnhttp://www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=cashflowrevolution&e=com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blazeruler 0 Report post Posted November 2, 2005 Gambling isn't a very good way of earning money.. You lose most of the time and win only about less than 10% of the time. Imagine if everyone won a lot. The company would be out of business wouldn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
play4profits 0 Report post Posted November 2, 2005 Gambling isn't a very good way of earning money.. You lose most of the time and win only about less than 10% of the time. Imagine if everyone won a lot. The company would be out of business wouldn't it? 200891[/snapback] Knowledge is power.... You are correct. Over the long haul you lose as long as you play in regular casinos that only offers you one-time-bonus-baits to get you signed up as a customer... Our Company is the Premiere Provider of Online Entertainment, including Casinos, Stock Market Game, Sports Wagering, Peer-to-Peer Betting, Bingo, Live Poker rooms, Weekly Sweepstakes and Global lottery. Among all 2000+ online gaming providers, Aspiritus is the ONLY one to let YOU become a part of the "House". Through profit sharing, the company will give you and members of your network a commission on all gaming activities, whether you Win, Draw, or Lose! The higher the turnover, the higher the commission! This is totally unique in the gaming industry! This is what sets us apart form the rest; Instead of spending money on traditional marketing, Aspiritus rewards you when you contribute to the profits of the company. The other guys spend millions of $$$ to get and retain customers. There is no loyalty, as the customers just move on to the next one to offer a sign-up bonus. We give them a bonus every time they play...! By the way. Gaming is the biggest money machine on the internet today, and it keeps growing at a staggering rate. The proof is in the pudding: http://www.bettingmarket.com/404page.html The quickest way of getting to know the Aspiritus concept is by viewing the following presentation and business overview: http://www3.aspiritus.com/ http://www3.aspiritus.com/ P.S. People continue to fork out $$$$$$ all over the world on lotteries where the odds are so remote that there is a higher chance of you dropping dead 15 minutes after you bought the ticket... John http://www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=cashflowrevolution&e=com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
