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I just signed up for GreenZap. It looks like the best deal so far. Get paid $5 for each signup. The folks you sign up get $25. It's all free. GreenZap is an online payment processor that works a lot like PayPal, but it also offers a good downline community for affiliates (GreenZappers) "Storez" and "Auctionz" features coming soon. It appears we'll soon be able to sell as well as buy with their new programs.PayPal offers a $5 one-level referral fee.StormPay I think goes down 5 or 6 levels.eGold also has an affiliate program. I belong to all of these but haven't made any money on any of them except GreenZap. I got my $25 for that one, instantly. I'd love to have y'all sign up under me for that one--it looks like fun. They really encourage the community thing.PayPal pays for signups, and they must be verified, which is a pain.e-Gold only pays a % of actual deposits, which is also a pain. I can't remember how StormPay works. I'm too new to this stuff and haven't done much promoting.

That looks good. Thanks. Should I use a separate email account? Will I get bombarded otherwise? If you have an affiliate link, please PM me and I'll sign up under you. Suz

Can you actually get paid without putting any of your own money in? If so, please PM your referral link. Suz

When I read the terms on 4Daily, it looks like he'll get 4% of my upgrade, which isn't much, so he's betting his $3.84 (plus fees) that I'll either upgrade again or bring in a good downline, right? So this strategy would only work on a program that has several levels. I also noticed that they're closing a loophole. After July 1, they won't pay referral fees on upgrades from earnings--only on upgrades for real money, so that might take some of the fun out of it. I guess the hint, here, is to check the forums before signing up for any of these to see if any of the members are offering deals. Suz

That's a great resource. Thank you. I'll link to it right now. Suz

I'm new to autosurf programs, but the following hints seem right to me. If you're an expert on these things, please let me know if I'm wrong on any of this, and also please add your own hints about how to get the most out of these things. Thanx.1) It seems like most of them payout on a specific date each month, but you can sign up and start surfing anytime. It appears that it would be best to sign up on the first day of their surfing period, in a month with 31 days, in order to have the maximum credits to compound or upgrade with earnings for the next period.2) It also seems that most of these calculate upgrades based on the last day of the reporting period. That means you can surf for free for 29 days or so and still upgrade to get the most for your money with the least risk. In other words, you can try it out for almost a month before putting anything in, rather than jumping right in with your hard-earned cash on the first day.3) On 4Daily and a few others, where it pays to really watch the ads, since they give out bonuses if you're there to click, if you see something interesting, just click to open the site. It will come up in a new browser window (on IE). Then you can leave it open and click back on the surf site and not miss anything. When you finish surfing, you can go back and take your time on the sites you opened during your surfing session.4) Some of these programs won't run in the background. They interrupt anything else you try to do while surfing. I noticed that if I hold my mouse button down--like on a scroll bar--I can continue doing something else while the surfing program continues to run in the background.5) Watch for hidden fees if you're thinking about upgrading. For example StudioTraffic charges 2% to withdraw. Then they only pay to StudioPay, which means another fee to them. Since they don't take PayPal, that means more fees to get money in. I haven't done this, yet, but it looks like about another 10% altogether in fees to get money in and out of this program.That's all I can think of. Please don't take my word for any of this. Check for yourself or wait until one of the experts comes along to agree or disagree, since I'm still trying to figure this all out, too.Suz

I agree. The only way I ever made money online was with eBay. When I put the same effort into eBay that I've wasted on these GPT schemes, I made at least $2,000 per month. Now, I'm making pennies a day--maybe--I haven't reached a payout on anything, yet. OTOH, I'm getting hooked on these autosurf/hyip schemes. It's like a treasure hunt. I'm absolutely determined to find a way to make money onine without spending any. My strategy is to sell stuff on eBay that didn't cost me anything to begin with--things I don't want any more. Then, take that money and use it to upgrade in whichever autosurf/hyip I think might make it. If I get lucky, I'll diversify, so when one of them disappears, it won't break me. If I lose, it won't be the mortgage money. While I'm experimenting, I'll develop the website--posting good links, writing how-to articles, exposing the scams. I'm really jazzed about this. I've already found some good links. My motto will be "NO HYPE, HERE!" Suz

I've been looking for autosurf programs where I can use my earnings for upgrades and not have to pay in. I went to the 4Daily forum and found several members posting that they'll pay for our upgrades if we'll join under them. Some offers are for double upgrades and all sorts of other creative marketing. Has anybody done this? How can they make out by paying for our upgrades? Does this go on all the time? I never saw this type of thing on StudioTraffic or other programs (but maybe they were there and I just didn't know enough to look for them). Somebody please clue me in. Suz

I've decided to start a website for all of this make-money-online and GPT stuff. There will be no hype and no scams. I'll have links to all the best Make Money Online forums and websites, articles about different programs, and my own referral links, naturally. If any of you have good websites about Internet marketing or good programs to recommend, including 2-tier affiliate programs, please post here or send me a PM with your referral links. TIA,Suz

YIKES! What are "random payouts" "points mail" "I cheat" "Limited Clicks Paid Mail" and "New Paid Alert"? Are there certain things that make more money than others? Should I sign up for everything just to make sure even if I'm not interested in some of that stuff? Suz

Thanks. I'm going to try So Red The Rose. Suz

Are there any GPT programs out there where you can make money without putting any in, that are free to join and pay with PayPal?It looks like it's possible with StudioTraffic, but it would take more than a year, and a whole lot of messing around with it. TIA,Suz

Thanks for the link. I'll check it out. My basic question is: Will a link to one of my other pages improve the page rank of my home page, or does the link have to be to my top level page in order to do any good? Ex: If I get 10 links back to each of 5 different sub-pages, that's 50 links back. Will they improve my domain home page PR as much as 50 links to my home page?

I have several sites where people link to pages other than my home page. I've actually encouraged that, posting quality content, so I can post those links on special interest message boards without spamming. My question is, if people link to those pages, does it help my home page PR or am I wasting my time with a few links back to several different pages that will never achieve a decent PR of their own?TIA for any light you can shine on this question.Suz

Okay, I think I've finally got it figured out. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.1) When you upgrade, THEY KEEP YOUR UPGRADE MONEY. This isn't an investment, it's a fee. Assuming it costs 5% to get your money to them, and another 5% to cash out, this means you have to surf for 110 days just to break even.2) Your upgrade expires after one year, which puts you back to 0. That means that every day you miss surfing, you have to deduct 1% from your potential ROI, cuz you'll never get another chance to make it up.The way I do the math on this, the return can never be better than 150% and that's only if you never miss a day surfing and they're still around in another year. I can do better on eBay and I know they'll still be here this time next year.Suz

I read it on another board, then checked for myself. It's now Searchoodles or something and just takes you to a regular search page. Suz

Great! Thank you. I'll copy this, save it, and PM you if I can't figure it out.Suz

I'm experimenting with setting up my own affiliate program. Since I'm not sure if it will work for me (my products are just tutorials) I don't want to sink any money into it. I have an idea for how to do this from scratch--free and easy--but I need to be sure it will work, first, and be worth doing. I'd love to hear from any of you who have had experience setting up your own affiliate programs--especially free or cheap--since those are the ones that would be my competition if I can develop my own and make it fly.TIA,Suz

I check mine through GetPaidForum.com and only pick up opportunities from reputable places like Affiliate Find, Commission Junction, and places like that, but you're right, they could still be scams. Even the legit programs are set up so you have to work your tail off before you ever see any money. I'm still hoping to find some good 2-tier affilate programs to generate a steady stream of passive income, but that might just be pie-in-the-sky, too. Anyway, I know the people who own and manage this Marketer's List, and they're smart, honest people, trying to help, but this site will only be as good as the folks who contribute to it. I also discovered that this site isn't just for listing biz ops. There are also links to free stuff, tutorials, and other resources. It's only a couple of days old, and they haven't started promoting the site, yet, but hopefully it will grow into a good resource. Also, there's a rating system coming soon, so that should help, too. Suz

Great. Thanks. I quit using NetBux because of those stupid windows. What' really dumb about those things is that you can't open them or close them, so all it's doing is making people mad. There's no benefit to NetBux. It's like those stupid "dead air" phone calls we get from telemarketers. There's never anybody there, so we get mad and block all telemarketing calls. Are they all stoooooopid?

Marketer's List This is a brand new administered site where you can list all different categories of online money-making opportunities. Only one entry will be allowed for each opportunity, so you need to get there first. These listings will be carefully screened and only accepted if you give a good one-paragraph description, so check your spelling, grammar, and punctuation before submitting. If more than one person submits the same opportunity in the same day, the one with the best description wins. Downplay the hype. They want a positive but objective description of the opportunity.

It's the lure of easy money. 30% a month is an insane return on investment. The problem, of course, is that there really isn't any investment. In the stock market, you get shares, and somebody watching every transaction very carefully. With StudioTraffic, you're just sending them money--it isn't secured by anything. You have to hope they don't disappear before you make your profit. It's gambling, not investing. Suz

Oh, yes they can. They'll only be around as long as they're making money. They are NOT an American company, so if they skip out, it's our loss. If they don't have a viable product, in this case a client base of paying advertisers, who can support all those payouts, it means they're using OUR money to pay some other affiliate. If this is the case, at some point the whole thing has to collapse, and the last folks in will lose it all. OTOH, what do I know? Not much. They could be making money with all sorts of other products and be around forever, merrily paying out like a sugar daddy. What I plan to do is consider this a game--not a business--and only invest "found" money in it--not the grocery money. If I lose $10 or $100, it's no worse than going to Vegas and playing the slot machines. My life savings, such as it is, will stay safely out of their reach. Suz

That's what I'm thinking. I don't see enough product there--no more than a half-dozen different ads to view. It's way too easy to cheat--almost irresistable. OTOH, if you don't upgrade, you only make 10 cents a day, so maybe all the cheapskates really do generate enough business to support the people who upgrade. I think this one is worth watching. BTW, they just posted something that says from now on you have to have StudioPay in order to get paid. I haven't found out how to sign up for that yet. They probably have some fees there that generate more revenue for them. If they have enough volume, maybe they are making enough money to pay out and still stay in business. Anybody know how long they've been around? Suz

Is this for real? I can hand them $1,000 and they'll pay me 30% PER MONTH for surfing? Their surfing program runs automatically, so it's going in the background as I write this (I got bored since it keeps showing Studio Traffic and Studio Rocks ads over and over and over). It appears I could play solitaire every day while this thing runs and make $300 per month. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE? Suz PS--please don't holler at me for cheating. If they'd show me 200 different sites, I'd sit right there and watch, but 90% of what I'm looking at is their products, again and again. This makes no sense to me.