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nightfox1405241487

I would like to switch from Windows to Linux. My problem is I don't know which version of Linux is best for a newbie to Linux. I have played around with SuSE standard server 8 but it was hard and complicated. I think that has gotten me scared to use Linux. But would any of you suggest using those Linux/Windows hybrids like Xandros which is Linux, but it can run Windows applications and such (personally, I need this as AOL is Windows only). Before you say anything, I know AOL sucks. It is all I have currently. So would Xandros work for me?


qwijibow

Xandros is not w windows / linux hybrid. Its a commercial version of Linux, with a windows emulator, which is capable of running some windows applications like photo-shop or MS office (and a few games)

Almost all Internet service providers say that you *need* windows, but alsong as there is a driver your your modem, then it should work fine.

my ISP (NTL nottingham) says you need windows98 / 2k or XP.
and linux auto configured itself perfectly.

have a look at this link for distro's which are good for new commers (newbies)
http://forums.xisto.com/topic/82096-topic/?findpost=1064290457

Xandros is not free, but is a very newbie friendly distro, for free alternativs, have a look at Fedora or Mandrake.

The windows emulator is not capable of emulating windows drivers, only applications, and is available for all versions of Linux. the emulator is called Wine (which stands for Wine is not an emulator) LOL.

Anyway, Wine is Free, unless you need directX graphics support, then you need to pay for a similar program called Cedeger.

What Modem / Network card are you using ?
you shouldnt have any trouble getting on the internet with linux.


musichere

If you want to just use Linux for the kernal you could try out Linspire, which was originally called Lindows before Microsoze took legal action against them.It is not free to use, but it is 100% Linux and is ridicuolusly familiar looking for a Windoze user.


nightfox1405241487

Xandros is not w windows / linux hybrid. Its a commercial version of Linux, with a windows emulator, which is capable of running some windows applications like photo-shop or MS office (and a few games)

Ah, Thank you for correcting me on that. See, complete newbie to Linux, lol

Almost all Internet service providers say that you *need* windows, but alsong as there is a driver your your modem, then it should work fine.

 

my ISP (NTL nottingham) says you need windows98 / 2k or XP.

and linux auto configured itself perfectly.

Hmm, I will check that. My friend downloaded a mini-installer for SuSE linux (the regular one, not server like I have). Tomorrow I'll give him a blank CD to burn it for me and on another hard drive I'll install it and see if I can get the drivers for my modem. Then I'll try getting AOL to work... or will I need Wine first as AOL's main file is waol.exe?

have a look at this link for distro's which are good for new commers (newbies)

http://forums.xisto.com/topic/82096-topic/?findpost=1064290457

Looking at it right now... thanks. I notice SuSE comesup several times. My friend asked around and also got told that SuSE was an easy one to begin with.

Xandros is not free, but is a very newbie friendly distro, for free alternativs, have a look at Fedora or Mandrake.

I knew Xandros isn't free. I saw a review of it in a Linux magazine (Linux Journal I think) and saw that it costs $60. I might play around with SuSE for a while and might place an order for Xandros if I don't like SuSE. Of course with the SuSE Linux Standard Server 8 which I got free at a Novell/IBM Linux training course last summer. From just playing around with it, it seems pretty easy to use except for all the server stuff.

The windows emulator is not capable of emulating windows drivers, only applications, and is available for all versions of Linux.  the emulator is called Wine (which stands for Wine is not an emulator) LOL.

lol, anyway, Wine should let me run exe files like in order to install AOL? Because when I tried installing AOL on SuSE SS8, nothing happened.... like Linux couldn't read it or something.

Anyway, Wine is Free, unless you need directX graphics support, then you need to pay for a similar program called Cedeger.

About how much does Cedeger cost?

What Modem / Network card are you using ?

you shouldnt have any trouble getting on the internet with linux.

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My modem is a Broadxent V.92 modem... I have the drivers CD somewhere. So I will need that I guess?

 

Thanks for all the help so far!


qwijibow

i did a little search for "AOL linux" on google.com/linux.

You are correct, AOL uses a non standard portocol for dialing up to the internet. But like i said, emulating th windows dialer will be a nightmare.

Fortunatly, there is an AOL dialer for linux called "Peng" (full name PengAOL).
i would recomend using this.

Unfortunatly, what you habve there is a Soft-medem (or Win-modem).
Like Most PCI internal modems, its not a full modem, and is not supported by the linux kernel.

you have 2 options....
1) Buy a proper modem, (external serial modem)
2) Buy a driver from llinuxant.com ($15)

you can get a free driver from linuxant, but it is limited to 14kbps.

Alternativly... I still have the source code to the driver from linuxant.com when they used to release it for free, however it only works with the 2.4 series kernel. If you are feeling brave, you could get suSE to run on the latest 2,4 kernel from kernel.org and compile the driver yourself... but this isnt easy.

EDIT, ohh, you asked about Cedega...
Homepage https://www.transgaming.com/

you pay for membership, minimum membership is ÂŁ9 for 3 months.
within those 3 months you can download the latest versions of the emulator.
After the 3 months is up, you can no longer download new versions, but the version you have already downloaded will still work for free.

there is a list of games that each version of the emulator is known to work with.

and while you are a member, you can vote for which games you want the developrs to work on next.

Gmes Like Quake, Unreal tournament, Unreal- tournament 2003 / 2004 and loads more work in linux, some OpenGL games like Half-Life 1, Counter Strike, will work on the free version of Wine.

But most people Dual boot... I keep a small 10Gig partiton on my linux disk with windowsXP installed, i can re-boot into windowsXP when i want to play games.


nightfox1405241487

I just feel like I need to highlight this issue with AOL... They can't seem to use any "standard" methods... even their email ports don't use the "standard" ports...Ok, I will look into that PengAOLOuch... 14k is pretty limited.... I am not sure of the full speed AOL gives me though as everything (like above) is non-standard. I notice when I download stuff, my connection goes from 10K to 2-3K and if I am lucky, 4K if it isn't peak hours. I think I will look into a "proper" modem.Thanks for the link and other info... I will look into that.I am not a big game player... I mostly use my computer for Web stuff and homework but just in case... I have a few games though :PHmmm... currently I'll just use Linux to test it before I fully move in... Some how I got my SuSE Standard Server 8 to give me a regular SuSE Linux now I have to see if I can do it again. But I think I will have my friend burn me a copy of the mini-installer that he downloaded since he has DSL.Thanks so far!


qwijibow

currently I'll just use Linux to test it before I fully move in

Ahhh.. then my friend, you need Knoppix ! http://www.knoppix.org/.

Knoppix is a full Linux Operating system with 2Gigabytes of software that boots from a CD.
you dont have to install anything or format or partiton your hard disk.

just boot the disk, when you have finished, reboot and remove the CD, and your pc is back to its old self.

its a 700 meg download, or you can buy it on ebay for ÂŁ 0.99 +postage and packageing or from knoppix.org for ÂŁ5.

edit: ohh, the latest version of knoppix is 3.7 (soon to be 3.8). once on ebay i say someone selling old coppies of redhat 5 (which would be like going from windowsXP to Windows 2.0)

nightfox1405241487

Ok... thanks... as soon as I have my heart settled on Linux, I guess I will go to SuSE and place that on an extra hard drive I have and go from there... but I would still like help before I make the move though... you know, pre-installation questions and such.

edit: ohh, the latest version of knoppix is 3.7 (soon to be 3.8). once on ebay i say someone selling old coppies of redhat 5 (which would be like going from windowsXP to Windows 2.0)

So RedHat 5 is like Windows 2.0? I have seen screenshots (very poor ones) of Windows 3.1 but never 2.0. And the oldest OS I have ever used is Windows 95...
Would anyone recommend those Linux versions that come with the books like the "For Dummies" books or the simallar books? I have been told before that those are junk copies and not to use them. Would anyone have any feedback on this for me? Thanks!

Charly1405241472

An advice: don't start with it without the assistance of an expert in it!


qwijibow

i was just saying that redhat 5 is a very old version of redhat.

An advice: don't start with it without the assistance of an expert in it!

i disagree. i bought a copy of redhat 9 when it was new from ebay, without any help or talking to anyone i jumped in at the deep end and started playing around.

eventually through trial and error i found my away around. Its a very steep learning curve at first, but within a few months i was compiling my own kernel's and all the other stuff you hear linux users talk about.

But if i had known about knoppix, i probably would have gone with that option.

to be honest, its very hard to learn about linux without actuall using it.

and like i said, its a steep learning curve, but i think its worth it to say goodbye to adware, virii, virii scanners, adware removers, defragmenting, re-installing, re-booting etc etc etc.

have a go, it you dont like it, you have only waster ÂŁ1 +pp

the empty calorie

Yeah, my first linux experience started during a school band trip, when i had 30 bucks in my pocket, and found myself holding a red hat 7.0 box in a software store...Nowadays, I wouldn't use red hat if I was paid to, but it did help me out a bit with learning...But I REALLY didn't start learning until I felt gutsy one day and downloaded Slackware 7.1..heh...you will learn so much in so little time...


the empty calorie

Ack, and I forgot...I would advise that you ditch the softmodem and definetely the AOL. Not only for the reason of their odd connection protocol, but because you're paying the same price I do for broadband internet, to get a dial-up connection...


nightfox1405241487

Ack, and I forgot...I would advise that you ditch the softmodem and definetely the AOL. Not only for the reason of their odd connection protocol, but because you're paying the same price I do for broadband internet, to get a dial-up connection...

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I know I know. AOL is VERY bad... I am looking into broadband companies in my area though so I can ditch the evil people.

and like i said, its a steep learning curve, but i think its worth it to say goodbye to adware, virii, virii scanners, adware removers, defragmenting, re-installing, re-booting etc etc etc.

Amen to that! lol, that's one of the reasons why I want to ditch Windows and that it is too unstable. I grew up on an old Mac, and Macs in my view are stupid so my first real PC was Windows 98. I got hacked and Win 98 wouldn't boot so from there I went to XP. XP is good... but too much ad-ware and spyware junk.

I felt gutsy one day and downloaded Slackware 7.1..heh...you will learn so much in so little time...

Slackware? Is that one a little easier to learn? I know RedHat is used a lot by web hosts because it is professional right?

 

Thanks


Giniu

Hi...

 

well...

Slackware? Is that one a little easier to learn? I know RedHat is used a lot by web hosts because it is professional right?

first of all I'm also Slacker, and I think that what the empty calorie mean was that, that Slackware is hard os for a newb, but when you jump to water it more secure when you got a lot of water under you, than empty pool - sorry for that... when you install Slackware you get command line login, you must configure your X's, add users, make it flying from running... all from command line... and that's why you learn a lot while using it... Also it's more orthodox-classic Linux over there... and it's over there since 1993 (actual there is Slackware 10.1)... so when you learn it, you learn most unix-like linux distro, you learn what should be... but this is way up and you probably won't get it running without help... If you want I can give you some links to good tutorials about Slackware, I also writen some tutorial (now it is 35 pages) but it is in Polish... maybe I would translete it and post it there...

 

is red hat proffesional?? well I got Red Hat 7.1 some time ago... and it wasn't then, now when Red Hat is commercial and their software is practicular only for servers it is choosen widely for it, becouse of "name" and that it has simple installation/use... there are many Red Hat packages, also it is "father" of many other Lins... if point and click mean to you proffesional, it is, if speed, power and cofigurability, there are three... (Gentoo/Slackware/Debian) OSes that like I said somewhere else on this forum, that has some magic in it

 

And if you are asking about modem... does your provider support ADSL connections?? They are working realy fast in linux, and when you use internet a lot, you don't get many difference in bills... if not, looking around for another provider or real modem is good choice...


nightfox1405241487

first of all I'm also Slacker, and I think that what the empty calorie mean was that, that Slackware is hard os for a newb, but when you jump to water it more secure when you got a lot of water under you, than empty pool  - sorry for that... when you install Slackware you get command line login, you must configure your X's, add users, make it flying from running... all from command line... and that's why you learn a lot while using it... Also it's more orthodox-classic Linux over there... and it's over there since 1993 (actual there is Slackware 10.1)... so when you learn it, you learn most unix-like linux distro, you learn what should be... but this is way up and you probably won't get it running without help... If you want I can give you some links to good tutorials about Slackware, I also writen some tutorial (now it is 35 pages) but it is in Polish... maybe I would translete it and post it there...

I like GUI's better like KDE. I haven't figured out "Linux Command Prompt" as I call it. I'll stick with the easy route for now. My main reason for switching to Linux is that Microsoft has turned really evil by making Windows XP users lives horrible. I REFUSE to place SP2 on any of my machines as it makes them patheticaly slow. I want to use an EASY Linux disto as my revolt against Microsoft. That's what made me think about joining you Linux users in using Linux for day to day basis.

is red hat proffesional?? well I got Red Hat 7.1 some time ago... and it wasn't then,

Last time I checked, the only RedHat I could buy in a store was a $100 version and it included RedHat and some server stuff. I think it was RH 9 or 10, not sure if it was Enterprise or not.

And if you are asking about modem... does your provider support ADSL connections??

Does AOL cost $9.99 a month? No so my guess to that would be no. I am trying to find some sort of broadband connection in my area that is at the same price as AOL which I know there are some... So if anything I'll get Wine or whatever and a real modem and then use Linux and AOL...

linkinpark

Well it depends on what isp you want i got Rogers Hispeed in Canada and they accept linux


nightfox1405241487

Well it depends on what isp you want i got Rogers Hispeed in Canada and they accept linux

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Well, I don't live in Canada... just the US... The only services available in my area is Alltel DSL, bunch of Dial-up ISPs like Netzero, Juno, AOL, and possibly others, and I am not sure of the local cable company... I think it might be Comcast.

 

Well if anyone could possibly help me get drivers for my softmodem as it seems I am not getting a real modem anytime soon, that'd be great. If I can get Wine and possibly a free ISP that would work with Wine and Linux, I would prolly have to do trial and error.

 

Also, I had my friend burn me a copy of SuSE mini-installer off of the Novell site. The other one is like 1 gig but I don't have a DVD-ROM drive so the mini-installer should work. I will install it on a secondary hard disk I have so I can keep this windows install so I can come back here and stuff...

 

Thanks! Please also give me some more tips too!


paragon

What I did was go to http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ and then go to the download section and review which flavor of linux you would like to try. there is a description of almost all of the flavors. Good Luck.


nightfox1405241487

What I did was go to http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ and then go to the download section and review which flavor of linux you would like to try.  there is a description of almost all of the flavors. 

Good Luck.

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I have been there before... my problem is choosing which "flavor." I just can't decide on if I want LiveCD or one that works on top of Windows or if I want a pure Linux copy. With all the different ones, I have to say I get confused... It is like a library with the same book but with hundreds of different versions of that one book! lol

 

I just want something easy to get me off the ground and then move into something that does a little more, and then something that does even more.


qwijibow

Avoid any linux distro's that work on top of windows like the plague.Wine will not emulate anything device driver related, use pengAOL to dial AOL.and everyone who tries linux and stays with it, ends up trying several distro's before they settle on a fovorite.I think the best advice would be to use Knoppix live-Cd.i think the current version of knoppix WILL allow you to run linux ontop of windows, and use the internet via a pre-established windows dial up. emualtion is slow, but think of it as a demo.



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