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thenewguy

Forums are not generally entirely free speech. The owners and/or sponsors restrict what users can say and how they can say it.

You have nothing against that limitation of free speech?

Bikerman

Just to make sure this point is clear: free speech is the default position. Under some circumstances it can be limited - specifically where it is used to incite violence against a person or group. I accept that restriction because it is rationally based and history tells us it protects society from the worst excesses of tyrants who are good orators. I trust I don't need to give examples?It is a shame that this is necessary. In a rational world then it would not be - let anyone incite violence and the rational response is to ignore it, since it is always an appeal to either ignorance or emotion. The fact is that we don't live in a rational world and I think it is necessary.Apart from that, there are other circumstances where free speech is not absolute. One would be if you work in a highly sensitive area - either in government or in a commercial firm. You will normally have to sign a contract promising not to speak about it. I have no problem with that - you sign or you don't.Another one, related, is where you agree to some conditions when using a medium - this forum is an example. Again that is not a problem because you are free not to sign.Imposing restrictions by threat, however, is a big problem. I am not a muslim and I have not signed up to say that I believe Allah is great or Mohammed is wonderful.I do exercise some restraint voluntarily. I don't give my real opinion of Mohammed because I choose not to offend on that level - though I would support anyone's right to. Likewise I will support anyones right to write a book (a rather good book actually) imagining what might have happened in Mohammed's life and I support anyones right to make a serious point by drawing and publishing cartoons. Most of the people who complain haven't actually looked at the original cartoons - they have seen the fakes that were put out within hours to whip up the muslims. They also don't tend to read the article that went with the cartoons.For this 3 people were almost murdered. (PS sorry - I missed the word almost without realising it. Correction made as soon as I noticed)...


anwiii

hmmmmmm it seems like someone is doing their research and it's not me. looks like some created a fake account and decided to post bikermans mumbo jumbo from another forum in to a topic that isn't even related......or is it. people who decieve. one of the worlds biggest problems or not.... hmmmmmpersonally, i would love to know who the new guy is. pm me if you can.....


Bikerman

hmmmmmm it seems like someone is doing their research and it's not me. looks like some created a fake account and decided to post bikermans mumbo jumbo from another forum in to a topic that isn't even related......or is it. people who decieve. one of the worlds biggest problems or not.... hmmmmm
personally, i would love to know who the new guy is. pm me if you can.....

You just can't resist it can you? I have decieved nobody and what happened to 'this is off topic, please stick to the point....'
Hypocrite.

thenewguy

Under some circumstances it can be limited...

Isn't that against the whole discussion?

So already we have restricted more things that can be said or drawn...

1 UP!

bikermans mumbo jumbo from another forum in to a topic that isn't even related......or is it.

They are all from this same post. Took some time to read through; people repeat a lot of sentences.

people who decieve. one of the worlds biggest problems or not.... hmmmmm

Point 11.

personally, i would love to know who the new guy is. pm me if you can.....

All in good time.

There are 10 types of people - those who know binary and those who don't.

Reminded me of this Think-Geek shirt.

Bikerman

Isn't that against the whole discussion?

No. Why should it be? If you voluntarily give up your freedom to speak on a matter or matters then that is YOUR choice. I believe in freedom of choice as well as free speech. I don't see the problem.

1 UP!

Huh? That was referring to the position that had changed - ie we started by debating about drawing a cartoon of Mohammed. Before long it wasn't just a cartoon that was a problem for the Muslims, it was any cartoon of Mohammed, Allah and other people as well. This is all perfectly clear from the posting. What is the confusion?

They are all from this same post. Took some time to read through; people repeat a lot of sentences.

And have you found any inconsistency yet? You haven't given any examples....

Reminded me of this Think-Geek shirt.

Well, I couldn't say which came first. I didn't coin the phrase, but it has been around for quite a time in the 'biz' and nobody seems to know who first used it, so it has entered the public domain...

anwiii

why are you replying to this guy? isn't it obvious to you that it's a fake account? you seem to know this person.....well you had a chance. i will let a mod figure you out.....i am reporting your account.bikerman....what the friggin heck are you talking about NOW with me?!?!?


Bikerman

well you had a chance. i will let a mod figure you out.....i am reporting your account.
bikerman....what the friggin heck are you talking about NOW with me?!?!?

I don't know what you are talking about. Since the last post (some time ago) I have been working on a website. I haven't got a clue who newguy is and no, it wasn't obvious it was a fake because I haven't used this system much, other than to post, so I wouldn't even know where to check.
Report what you like - I'm quite happy that I have nothing to be worried about.
If I knew him then why would he jump straight onto my posts? My friends tend to know me better than that.
I thought he was one of yours, not mine.

thenewguy

i am reporting your account.

Charming, ...

And I am going to stay silent from now on.

...applies to me too now.

anwiii

why does that apply to you? are you afraid to be found out? you signed up under the new guy account for a reason and a purpose. now the purpose doesn't exist? if you came from a forum where bikerman is a part of originally, then i appologize in advance, but i think you are someone who was originally a part of this forum and created a fake account( a duplicate account) to hide your identity. if that is true, i think that is wrong. i hate fake and duplicate accounts which are made to hide a person's identity. especially if those accounts are meant to stir up bad vibes. although i respect your quotes and some of them tell more to the story about bikerman, one shouldn't hide. i respect that less than what bikerman had to say against someone's religion.yea bikerman. this is off topic so i am a hypocrite again as you call me. it just boils me to the bone how someone can hide their identity like a scared rabbit. he even quoted your real name and i will NEVER condone that behavior unless you have already made your name public in this forum!i already reported this person's account. that's all i can do....but again, i wish to know this person's identity in pm. anyone who pm's me, their identity and whatever they have to say in private stays privlidged.


Bikerman

It sounds to me like anwiii is a paranoid fantasist. I haven't a clue who thenewguy is and why should that be any of my business? It isn't me, obviously, and I don't know if it is someone I know differently in another forum or not.* It seems to me like they raised a question about my consistency, which I thought I answered, and then anwiii started a bizarre sidetrack into accusing me of some foul play or other in not knowing thenewguy is a dodgy account...I'm putting the blocking facility to use, so I won't be replying either.* None of my business - if they don't want to tell me (and they haven't pm'd me) then that is their privilege. There is no prior knowledge on my part and I have no reason to believe it is anyone I know. They probably quoted my real name out of courtesy since it is in my signature quite clear for anyone to see.....


magnafrost

hahaa, very typical from you anwiii, now after all that arguing in here this is the funnest thing i read in this topic . good work anwiii, now i will reply and say the opposite. men are the biggest problem in the world, you can't live with them or without them hahaaa.



You know .. I couldn't agree more with anwii! Its probably worth a whole thread in itself! God, why were they ever created! No offense to you WD

And btw, Bikerman, good thread. I pretty much agree with you though you seem to be much more knowledgeable than me. And dont worry, you wont go to hell! If you had to, then I'd probably say that there'll be about a hundred people going to heaven every century and no more!

Bikerman

You know .. I couldn't agree more with anwii! Its probably worth a whole thread in itself! God, why were they ever created! No offense to you WD

 

And btw, Bikerman, good thread. I pretty much agree with you though you seem to be much more knowledgeable than me. And dont worry, you wont go to hell! If you had to, then I'd probably say that there'll be about a hundred people going to heaven every century and no more!

 

LOL..this is one of those decisions, I think, when knowledge can help but not ultimately resolve the issue. Opinions can obviously vary. It is my opinion that decisions which are based on rational justification and are consistent as far as it is possible to be so are ALWAYS preferrable to decisions not based on such justification and/or require special pleading.

 

Anyway, I think I've said most of what I wanted to regarding the original point which summarises to:

a) Things are better than they have ever been for most people (in terms of life expectancy, leisure time, violence, autonomy and wealth) so lets not buy into a false premis to start with.

 

b ) Respect for the beliefs of others is not a good prescription because it is based on 2 demonstrably wrong assumptions:

i That all views are, in this respect (pun intended) equal

ii That no view is objectively wrong or morally repugnant

(Either that or you have to say that you respect views which you know are wrong....and I think that is a nonsense).

 

If we insert 'the right to hold' it all works. So instead of respecting views we respect the right to hold views, that is at the same time more rational AND more useful, since it protects everyone equally without some assertion of post-modernist relativity where nothing is wrong and all is equally valid. That is tosh and always was.

 

c) The right to free speech is paramount amongst rights. In the words of someone wiser than me:

 

"Free speech is the freedom I defend to the last - when all else has been sacrificed. The reason for this is that with that one freedom I can win back all the others."


anwiii

hmmmm i think i am going to make a few phone calles now. and see what THEY think....oh....my bad..... more than a few....riverside here i come!whatever i said about bikerman, i didn't deserve his last to posts against me....i will live with it!


Bikerman

hmmmm i think i am going to make a few phone calles now. and see what THEY think....oh....my bad..... more than a few....riverside here i come!
whatever i said about bikerman, i didn't deserve his last to posts against me....i will live with it!

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iGuest

My post needn't need to be shown, just wanted to let you know how I feel :)Bikerman has his beliefs and so do Shahrukh and I do agree with both sides of opinions. As long as you don't hurt people, you do good it doesn't matter what religion you believe in. There is no so called truth in this world, it's all just people's perceptions of what is right/wrong. You can share your opinions, but do not expect people to accept them too.Shahrukh, I like you being humble and I can feel you really want to help make this a better place. You seem like a really down to earth person and you are mature. And I like that you are striving to make a change to your society. So any plans yet?Bikerman on the other hand knows alot about what's going on in the rest of the world. Really, ignorance is bliss sometimes. There indeed are differences between cultures and religions and places and one just have to accept that, and let society evolve by itself. Not comparing what is right or wrong, because there is no right or wrong.Solution: People just have to find the center,core, neutral side of things. Be aware that there are 2 sides of everything, that when you gain something, you will have to lose it at some point - With happiness comes sadness, with life comes death, with war comes peace (and vice-versa) - and find a balance between all these cycles. Know that nothing is permanent and always be ready and be prepared. That way you will find peace.Good arguments and debate here. Thanks so much both of you I learned quite a bit. Peace


vivek2012

These ‘problems’ as you would like to call it have, it seems, since, been lost its significance as a matter to be paid immediate attention by humanity in order to bring about solutions to solve it. In the struggle to prove as the fittest to survive, the humans have lost their faculty of foresightedness by which they used to see the magnanimity of the problems that surrounded them form time to time. No body really cares any more. The problems are there and would continue to exist.

 

Natural resources. It is a heartbreaking fact that we are running out of natural resources. In fact we are not ‘running out of it’ - we are ‘out running it” may be the phrase that would be more suitable to it. The world is in the grip of a few thousand people who are not interested in the preservation of its natural resources which is the real ‘treasure’ and the gift by the God Almighty. These few thousands are not at all worried about it and are in mad rush to amass man made wealth for the upkeep of their generations to come. Come to think of it. What a pity it is. By the time these generations have arrived on the planet, their would be nothing natural left for them to live on but the man made wealth which are of no use to them without the firm support from the nature. There will be no ‘nature’ at all by the time. Everything will be artificial. And nothing to make them remain as human beings would be there. They will be living like people from the primordial times - almost beasts. The only distinguishable characteristics left in them as human beings would be their ability to stand erect on two legs.

 

Unequal distribution of finances. Why to bother. When there are no natural surroundings left, the human race would meet with its ‘natural’ end - extinction. Then what is the use of ‘Money’?

 

Dishonesty. The less talked the better about it. I doubt my own honesty as a human being who is nothing but mute spectator of the horrendous destruction of the natural resources around me by a handful of my own brethren.

 

Violence. It is a way of life for us. Earlier the religion was the way of life for human beings. Let us live with it. Is there any remedy? I don’t think. The advocates of violence are so powerful that it is their mercy that we, the non-violent ones, are allowed to live for one more day. As Sydney Sheldon says “Tomorrow never comes”. If by chance it comes make the best use of it.

 

In the mean time try to go by the rule “Live and Let live” rather than the “Live and Let die” policy. That way one may get to live through the time the All Merciful God has kindly allotted one on this planet without meeting with an untimely end. It, however, depends on the Grace of God though. One will have to really strive to be a recipient of it.


eInfiniti

Lack of unity of human beings is one.Human beings are easily influenced by others, by their surroundings, and by where and how they grew up... They have different experiences. They have different opinions. They use imperfect logic. They have difficulty making good decisions consistently.They cannot reach agreement to serve their own best interests on the majority of issues facing them.


prashansas

The worlds biggest problem is not being content or satisfied about anything. Because human tendency is such when they don't have something even a little of that thing which they so eagerly want will do. When they get what they want, they tend to expect for more of it and so the process goes. If we look back in the past years we can see that we as humans have achieved a lot. But though we have bought in the best out of everything we did, we have also destroyed a lot of important things that are essential to us but still the problem remains the same."Humans will always remain unsatisfied"


Bikerman

I see that as a plus, not a minus. Imagine we all turned round and said - 'yep, that'll do, this is as good as it gets. Don't worry about starvation or children dying of easy to prevent disease - just leave it as it is'.Being unsatisfied is what gets people out of bed and doing things. The alternative is a lotus-eater utopia.



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