Two Simple Seo Points I Am Not Clear About.

[Ahsaniqbalkmc 0]

I am not an seo expert but I have read a lot of articles ad posts about SEO. There are some points that are quite clear about SEO like gaining backlinks and using keywords but I am rather confused about two things. So if any one can help me about them, it will be great.Number 1:The first point about SEO is related to getting backlinks. I do understand the importance of backlinks and where to get them from but there is a point I do not understand. I have read in a lot of posts and articles, that it is no deference in the value of one backlink and ten backlinks from the same domain. If i elaborate it a little bit, this means that once you have got a backlink from a website, getting more and more backlinks from the same website is of no value. they are all still counted as one vote. Now the point which I don't understand is that for each of my website's pages to rank higher, I have to get backlinks for each of them, and suppose I get a backlink to http://www.mysite.com/index.htm from http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/,'>http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/, will getting another backlink from http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ to http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/ be of any value?. Will both backlinks be considered as a single vote and if yes then will this vote be considered for index.htm or page1.htm?Number 2:Suppose I have a website with title "Human Anatomy". I make a page about Bones of the Hand and I have to decide a title for it that not only gets me good results for search term "Bones of the hand" but also lift my site a little higher in the SERP for the main keyword "Human Anatomy". I think I should explain it a little more. My primary keyword which I am targetting is "Human Anatomy". I want my website to rise in SERP for the keyword "Human Anatomy" with new content added to my website. I make a new page on the topic Bones of Human Hand. Now the topic is very specific and it cannot include the terms like "Human Anatomy" in the content. So what I think is that making title like "Bones of hand | Human Anatomy" should get me both results at a time. The page should perform at least average for keyword "Bone of hand" and the SERP of the website overall for the keyword "Human Anatomy" should rise because there is more relevant content added to the website.Now the problem with this theory is that by adding the term "Human Anatomy" I am diluting the title's effect for keyword "Bones of Hand" and the SERP of the website as a whole for main keyword "Human Anatomy" may rise, but the rank of the page for keyword "bones of hand". may suffer. So what is the best solution in such cases where you want to add new content which cannot include your main keyword, but still you get good results on the page's primary keyword as well as the website's primary keyword.

[mahesh2k 0]

Will both backlinks be considered as a single vote and if yes then will this vote be considered for index.htm or page1.htm?

Every page, subdomain and folder is considered different and that is why they are evaluated differently for SE value. Trust rank doesn't care for that but if you're caring for those useless toolbar or PR Ranks then yes this different value per page is considered.
Point 2 : You can lift the value of your site by changing the anchor with which your backlinks are made. If you only make "human analtomy" anchor for all backlinks then you'll get some lenses from google to check your site. In such case it is better to vary the anchor every time you get backlinks. Also make sure that you earn backlinks overtime and not 10000 a day or within 3 months, why i'm saying this is because google immediately gets those sites into human editor if the link building is more.

Point 3 : you're not diluting the keywords because you don't understand what keywords are from search engine or users perspective. Do you think people type such huge 'Bones of hand | Human Anatomy' in search engine ? they'll either go for human anatomy or 'bones of hand' seperately and not combine. You are just getting boost by combining those but it means nothing if people are not searching for it. What you search for if you want the pages which you have written ? consider you're not the writer of your blog or site and want to find the info which is on your site, which term you'll choose ? based on these terms build backlinks. this is what keyword research is all about. Stop thinking about what you want from SE, think about what users do on Search engine. You can't force your though process on strangers who search on google. You'll less benefit by following your own way.

[imjjss 0]

SEO is a puzzle for me. starscream, you are very knowledgeable on many aspects of building website. Would you provide some general guidings?Sometimes I read some articles talking about this, some articles talking about that. At the end, I don't know which block is more important, and which block I missed out. If I know a basical framework, I can work hard on it. For example, if I know, there are a, b, c, d, e , totally 5 blocks of concerns, then, I can just go through all of them step by step, and implement them on every blog. Currently, my situation is-- I grasp a tip here, make some change, then, some other day, I grasp some other tips, then, make some change. I think that's not good.

[mahesh2k 0]

First important block in SEO is content, without which everything is useless. You can copy content from other sites but that will make you copy-cat in eyes of readers and search engine. Google can easily catch you and will make you harder to stay on top of results. So 'Original' content is very important, you can rehash content in your own words but make it more descriptive so that search engines can favor you. Second, you need social proof that your site is good. You need to ask your readers to spread word about your site using twitter, facebook or other social sites. It's very small aspect in SE optimization but it's important. Third, you need backlinks. Again these backlinks are supposed to be relevant. You can get backlink for say your site on PSP from pet forums or medicine forums but that link will have less value. Also generalized forums and directory carry less value. But if you get link from say sony forums to your PSP site then your site's trust will improve. Fourth, don't spam anyone or any site. You can see from previous points that unless you spam it's hard to achieve success. But it's not so. You can take your time for building backlinks and social proof. Fifth, stop chasing people who are knowledgeable about seo and web. I mean even stop taking advice from me after some time, do your own thing and ask or look for advice only when you get stagnate with results. Otherwise spend maximum time for building your web property or blog or site. Spend 80% building content and trust and leave only 20% time for backlinks and other SEO stuff.

[Ahsaniqbalkmc 0]

Well that was really helpful from you starscream and I really liked the line "stop taking advice" but I can't stop it because I cannot find help on some issues that I don't understand and advice of senior's like you is the only source of knowledge.I have another query for you. According to my study on SEO, Each page should be developed as a separate website (in terms of backlinks, keywords etc). IF I am right, then how do the search engine determine relativity between pages. I will give you an example. When I had about 30 pages on my website, I ranked below 60 in google SERP for the keyword "Human Anatomy" and today when I have 39 pages (none of these pages has been optimized for the keyword "Human Anatomy", and one or do of them even don't have it a single time), my current SERP for "human Anatomy" is 31.So how would you explain this. Is it just a matter of time (I must tell you that I have added these 9 pages in less than a week). I can't understand.

[mahesh2k 0]

Don't expect immediate results from SERP's. Your site will be taken as authority because of the way you are posting content. Now don't forget to email me or PM me after 6 months when you see your site as authority. Remember google is refining the results everyday and what i see in page 1 is not what you see -because instant search results and algorithm is changing result page for every person based on IP, Cookies and google history results. I think your study of getting high ranks for individual page is wrong IMO. Why ? because some dynamic blogs can rank better than your site if you keep on building static content without links between them. So you need to build internal links between pages in order to show updated content. Google likes dynamic and updated content. For static and authority content google has list of trustrank sites, wikipedia sites pages (which are usually interlinked) why should your static content rank higher ? think about it. If it was that case for ranking higher, blogs would have never made it to top results of SERPS. When your pages or content increases google puts more trust on you for quality content with backlinks, so this is where dynamic content plays role. Dynamic as in updated, not as static vs dynamic CMS. Hope that clears.

[imjjss 0]

Thanks for your insights! I am glad to know that I don't need to run things too complicated. Just take care of the 5 blocks with the content on top.

[Ahsaniqbalkmc 0]

Don't expect immediate results from SERP's. Your site will be taken as authority because of the way you are posting content. Now don't forget to email me or PM me after 6 months when you see your site as authority. Remember google is refining the results everyday and what i see in page 1 is not what you see -because instant search results and algorithm is changing result page for every person based on IP, Cookies and google history results.
I think your study of getting high ranks for individual page is wrong IMO. Why ? because some dynamic blogs can rank better than your site if you keep on building static content without links between them. So you need to build internal links between pages in order to show updated content. Google likes dynamic and updated content. For static and authority content google has list of trustrank sites, wikipedia sites pages (which are usually interlinked) why should your static content rank higher ? think about it. If it was that case for ranking higher, blogs would have never made it to top results of SERPS. When your pages or content increases google puts more trust on you for quality content with backlinks, so this is where dynamic content plays role. Dynamic as in updated, not as static vs dynamic CMS. Hope that clears.

That was really helpful and now I am getting more and more understanding of how to achieve my goals

[mahesh2k 0]

If not personal, may i ask what you're trying to achieve with SEO for your site ? Not that i want to know but to make sure you're not wasting time in methods or practices which are not going to work is why i want to know. There are plenty of ways with which things don't work these days - for example, on hubpages if you don't backlink they're performing well while for personal site without backlink your site can't even move inch further. So that is the reason i would like to know what are your objectives when it comes to SE and your site Man anatomy. If your site has credible and original information then i can tell you that even wikipedia can link to you.

[Ahsaniqbalkmc 0]

If not personal, may i ask what you're trying to achieve with SEO for your site ? Not that i want to know but to make sure you're not wasting time in methods or practices which are not going to work is why i want to know. There are plenty of ways with which things don't work these days - for example, on hubpages if you don't backlink they're performing well while for personal site without backlink your site can't even move inch further. So that is the reason i would like to know what are your objectives when it comes to SE and your site Man anatomy. If your site has credible and original information then i can tell you that even wikipedia can link to you.

Well for the time being I am just collecting information. I am just trying to get into the pros and cons of SEO. I am trying to understand what to do and what not to do with SEO techniques. I am getting infrormation about how to obtain backlinks, where to obtain them from, about article marketing, about getting links from blog commenting and forum posting etc. I am just trying to learn these. Currently I am just adding content to my website. The concept is (it may be totally wrong because its my own thought and never heard from a pro) that once my website has enough quality content to impress people, I will start building backlinks at a moderate rate along with adding more content (with a slow pace) so I have more chances to keep my visitors and not loose them. I think that with my website having only 10% developed, (especially with poor navigation and search features) any audience coming to it will not like to come back for a long time. If I am wrong please correct me. Another benefit I think of first adding adequate content is that it would then be much easier to obtain backlinks for authority websites.Currently I am just adhering to using clean titles, only one h1 tag, up to five h2 tags (containing my secondary keywords) and just trying to do some keyword density stuff (I have never achieved what I desired with keyword density).
After reaching 100 pages I am planning to give some time to develop a nice navigation and search features (I am also learning php along with adding content to my website and I hope it will help me) and then I will start obtaining backlinks slowly and steadily.

[mahesh2k 0]

I don't think you're wrong in adding content first and then moving for promotion. I think it is good approach if you have 50 pages or so. Then you can surely move for the promotion if that is what you want. About menus and navigation - i think you moved with your view of how navigation should be and that is likely to create some problem. You have to take reader feedback in your domain or from some layman who browse typical sites. This way you can get idea for good navigational structures. Search is not necessary as of now if you have good navigation and the way to move around site. You can insert HTML sitemap plugin if you want sitemap page at the bottom or at the top. Learning PHP is definitely advantage but if it's not going to help you long term then just learning about themes is enough IMO. You don't need to dig too deep in order to understand wordpress core and themes, many PHP newbies or those who don't know PHP can code themes or work around PHP and wordpress. Spend more time on your site instead of learning PHP if it's not advantageous to you in longer term.

[Ahsaniqbalkmc 0]

I don't think you're wrong in adding content first and then moving for promotion. I think it is good approach if you have 50 pages or so. Then you can surely move for the promotion if that is what you want.
About menus and navigation - i think you moved with your view of how navigation should be and that is likely to create some problem. You have to take reader feedback in your domain or from some layman who browse typical sites. This way you can get idea for good navigational structures. Search is not necessary as of now if you have good navigation and the way to move around site. You can insert HTML sitemap plugin if you want sitemap page at the bottom or at the top.

Learning PHP is definitely advantage but if it's not going to help you long term then just learning about themes is enough IMO. You don't need to dig too deep in order to understand wordpress core and themes, many PHP newbies or those who don't know PHP can code themes or work around PHP and wordpress. Spend more time on your site instead of learning PHP if it's not advantageous to you in longer term.

Thank you for your valuable suggestions my friend.
You are absolutely right about digging too deep into the php. I also don't want to waste my time on stuff that is not going to help me achieve my goal. I am just studying the language on surface. I am just getting a feel of it so that when I need to edit something in my wordpress theme or add a feature to the website (I have plan to add some flash based content after I achieve my goal of 300 pages (I already know some flash) and I want this to be like "only for members" thing.) SO what I am doing now is just getting some knowledge of the language and then when I reach to 300 pages (obviously I would have gained some experience through conversations with you and through necessary editing in my website by then if I have my base strong).
By navigation I meant to improve the navigation as compared to what is now?. You can check it out at mananatomy.com (any other page than home page). I have problem with custom menus. They are not appearing correctly. Similarly there are other problems and when I have some basic knowledge of php, I will be able to figure it out. (I hope so)

[mahesh2k 0]

I thought so that you're from medical background and will rarely do much with PHP or any programming language which builds web pages as long term goal. Flash based content is bit tricky. It has less SEO advantages, though not completly neglected. You can use videos with sitemaps in order to let search engine crawl the content. You can add flash based content to say anatomy for beginners etc type of lessons. But mind you, these flash based lessons or content will take a lot of time of your life. It's not suggested if you have less time from your medical studies. About navigation, i think you should move to paid themes or frameworks which lets you customize these easily. Why paid ? because you get good framework to do things and next you get lot of free support on their forums. Just make sure you get enough money from adsense and then to paypal to get hold of paid themes. Definitely recommended if you want to cut your time wastage on design and themes, wordpress support etc.

[Ahsaniqbalkmc 0]

I thought so that you're from medical background and will rarely do much with PHP or any programming language which builds web pages as long term goal.
Flash based content is bit tricky. It has less SEO advantages, though not completly neglected. You can use videos with sitemaps in order to let search engine crawl the content. You can add flash based content to say anatomy for beginners etc type of lessons. But mind you, these flash based lessons or content will take a lot of time of your life. It's not suggested if you have less time from your medical studies.

About navigation, i think you should move to paid themes or frameworks which lets you customize these easily. Why paid ? because you get good framework to do things and next you get lot of free support on their forums. Just make sure you get enough money from adsense and then to paypal to get hold of paid themes. Definitely recommended if you want to cut your time wastage on design and themes, wordpress support etc.

I know flash is very time consuming but I find it enjoyable and I have not finalized things yet. Time gives experience which changes everything. And yes you are right that time is a little problem but I must tell you I hardly give any time to my medical studies. Its so boring. You just have to repeat the same thing again and again and again like a parrot so that you don't forget it. But still I have managed to get some good score in my first prof MBBS part 1 by studying only in the last two months before exams.
Just for curiousity, can you give me one or two examples of websites using paid wordpress themes so that I can clearly see the difference.

[imjjss 0]

From my expeirence, if we don't want to create a theme of plug in from scratch, we don't need to learn php. I've found my shortcut, maybe this can help you too-- when you want to create or edit something, you can find an example in Wordpress default theme(twentyten) or any other free theme. Just download and read their php codes. Copy the section you need and edit it. There are also lost of tips on the net to study on. After several try, you'll get the basics to manage your stuffs.Your site looks nice. The speed is fast. That's a great start. I checked out all 5 google ads on the site too very professional sites, but you can't compare to them. Their sites are designed by professionals which cost a lot of money.