Anti Virus Issue or ....

[Aka_Bar 0]

Microsoft officials have been saying for quite some time that Windows Vista will ship with antispyware software built into the operating system. But for more than a year, Microsoft's top dogs have been quite clear that Microsoft has no intentions to bundle antivirus software into the product.Vista Anti virus issue...Despite this seemingly straightforward (at least in our minds) delineation, company watchers were all in a tizzy this week over Windows head honcho Jim Allchin's recent proclamation that there would be no antivirus software bundled with Vista. Several days later, we're still trying to figure out why anyone was surprised by this simple statement of fact.Microsoft has a lot of new security technologies in the pipeline. Windows Antispyware, which Microsoft renamed Windows Defender late last year, was part of the latest (December) Vista Community Technology Preview (CTP) test build. Microsoft seems to be moving steadily toward baking into Vista at least some base level of antispyware software.Microsoft's consumer antivirus offering, known these days as Windows OneCare Live (code-named way back in the day, "A1") was not expected to be integrated into Longhorn/Vista — at least not since Microsoft floated a trial balloon about the viability of such a plan back in 2003 or so.In fact, the beta of Windows OneCare only works on Windows XP with Service Pack 2 installed. Microsoft has been saying for a while now that the OneCare service won't be compatible with Vista. Company officials haven't spelled out explicitly why it won't; our guess is Vista's two-way firewall is incompatible, among other reasons.(Update: Microsoft officials told us after this article was published that Microsoft will do a version of OneCare for Vista users "in the future." A spokeswoman provided no further details on timing or features.)But bundling OneCare into Vista? Not once has any part of OneCare, including the antivirus software that is the crux of the service, been integrated into of any of the Visa CTP or Beta 1 builds of the operating system.There's a third Microsoft security offering that no one's mentioning here: Windows Client Protection. Windows Client Protection is a security service that will be targeted at enterprise customers that is quite similar to Windows OneCare. Our sources tell us Microsoft is poised to field a first beta of Windows Client Protection in February (we'd bet around the time of the RSA Security conference).When Microsoft officially unveiled last year its plans for Windows Client Protection, company officials said the service would be designed to thwart viruses, spyware and rootkits on XP and Vista systems. Windows Client Protection will be integrated with Active Directory and other "legacy" Microsoft products, such as its Internet Security and Acceleration Server, Windows Update and Windows Software Update Services.Again, Microsoft never said it planned to bundle Windows Client Protection into Vista. Officials didn't say much at all about the company's plans for pricing and distributing the enterprise service.As Web posters far and wide have pointed out, Microsoft brass are well aware that building antivirus software into Vista would likely raise the hackles of antitrust regulators here and abroad. (Why bundling antispyware seems to be OK, on the other hand, is more of a mystery to us.)There's more than just legal repercussions factoring in here. Microsoft sees dollar signs when it sees Windows OneCare and Windows Client Protection. The company is betting that there are users out there who would shell out for someone – even Microsoft – to secure their systems against the insecurities that have plagued Windows and Internet Explorer for years now. Subscription revenue, if you can hook people in, can be far more lucrative than a one-time sale of a shrink-wrapped operating-system bundle.What's your take? Do you think Microsoft is being sufficiently clear about where it's at and where it's going with its anti-malware plans for Vista? If not, do you think Microsoft is clouding the picture intentionally, and why?

Edited February 12, 2007 by Aka_Bar (see edit history)

[DAC1138 0]

When you install OneCare, all other antivirus applications cease to install or even work at all. When we installed OneCare on a machine, we tried to get spysweeper onboard. No luck. So we tried Norton. No luck. So we tried McAfee. No luck. "What the heck," we thought. We wondered if they could just be incompatible with vista, and not interfearance from the OneCare. So we went to another vista machine and tried installing. It worked like a charm.I don't know what Microsoft's problem is. I'm beginning to not like them as much anymore. Their coders can't code anything properly, and their business practices are as bad as Sony. Haven't they learned from past lawsuites that when you are anti competitive you cannot get away with it? They just aren't learning. But I guess if they can get away with it for even 6 months, they will try.

[faulty.lee 0]

When you install OneCare, all other antivirus applications cease to install or even work at all. When we installed OneCare on a machine, we tried to get spysweeper onboard. No luck. So we tried Norton. No luck. So we tried McAfee. No luck. "What the heck," we thought. We wondered if they could just be incompatible with vista, and not interfearance from the OneCare. So we went to another vista machine and tried installing. It worked like a charm.
I don't know what Microsoft's problem is. I'm beginning to not like them as much anymore. Their coders can't code anything properly, and their business practices are as bad as Sony. Haven't they learned from past lawsuites that when you are anti competitive you cannot get away with it? They just aren't learning. But I guess if they can get away with it for even 6 months, they will try.

From my understanding, microsoft locked out the kernel of vista, to avoid future attacks or hacks. Most antivirus needs to hook into the kernel to work properly. Thus, they're trying to monopolized the market again.

I personally never liked vista anyway. Too much fancy things, and wasting those precious processing power on the UI.