H3arts_4nxi3ty 0 Report post Posted December 2, 2005 everyone should by now have heard about terorist attacks and bombings!! in such areas as iraq and bali!! They are so devastating, and stupid. My opionins on Terrorists are that they are not human beings because no human would kill another or another thousand other human beings. What do you guys think about it? talk to me about it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OCAC 0 Report post Posted December 2, 2005 everyone should by now have heard about terorist attacks and bombings!! in such areas as iraq and bali!! They are so devastating, and stupid. My opionins on Terrorists are that they are not human beings because no human would kill another or another thousand other human beings. What do you guys think about it? talk to me about it 210116[/snapback] Just to be a contrarian - well, not just. Terrorists want you do think and say exactly this, that you hate them and you want to eliminate all off them. If you say and think that, they have already won, because you are using their language and method. fighting terrorists with terrorism will not solve the underlying problem for their aggression and all their disgusting and inhumane actions. humans have always killed other humans, as despicable as it is. but saying they are doing this, because they are not human.. how would you react if someone would take your humanity from you? you would want to kill that person? how are you any different from the terrorists? As a reasonably wise man once said: "Haben diejenigen, die die Terroristen unterstützen, überhaupt noch nicht begriffen, was eine demokratische Lebensordnung ist, so haben diejenigen, die auf der menschlichen Würde auch des Terroristen bestehen, die Demokratie zu Ende gedacht." or in other word "When those that support Terrorists, have not understand what democracy means, those that insist on the human dignity even of Terrorists understand democracy in all its consequences. by the way this reasonably wise man, the head of state at the time. said this at the funeral of a terrorist victim, one of their high profile kills, at his state funeral. Taking away the humanity of your enemy makes it easy to kill them. Why do you want to make it easy for yourself, if the consequence is a totalitarian state and you give up, what you pretend to be fighting for? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zorkaplex 0 Report post Posted December 3, 2005 Actually I think you kind of missed the point a bit, h3arts. Some orders (I'm thinking of some of the middle eastern ones here) honestly believe that we (as in the US) are the cause of many problems for several reasons, notably distribution of wealth, piety/religiousness, morals, etc. These extremists are also opposed to democracy because it conflicts with their view of a perfect government, in this case a muslim theocracy (or government by religion) I personally think there are more productive ways of dealing with this, notbly paying some attentions to their accusations and taking some measure in correcting them (perhaps sending money that would have gone to Iraq to developing third-world countries springs to mind) It's because of profiling that we're so disliked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirra 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2006 Well, terrorism is the violent acts of those who are too weak to confrontestablished order directly. Yes, the tactics they use are deplorable, butthe established order must be careful to keep them contained within thelower levels of my theory of progression of revolution. The acts ofoutrage must be treated as crimes, conspiracy, and riots. To elevate thestatus of multiple and dangerous acts of outrage to what takes on thecharacteristics of revolution invites other under represented dissidents tojoin the cause.Using state supported terrorism against the neighborhoods where revolutionis brewing pushes the undecided into the revolution camp. When the statekills many innocent women, children, and moderates within communities, someof which are working hard to quell the rising dissent, it undermines themoral authority of the established order and highlights the need for achange in power. It fuels REVOLUTION!It is not fighting fire with fire. No, it is more like pouring buckets ofwater into a sinking boat. Using terror tactics against terrorists createsmore terrorists....not less. If one brother in an extended family becomes aterrorists and the established order kills the brother, the terrorismprobably stops. If they kill the brother and his peaceful sister and thebrothers ten month old son, the extended family, other brothers, cousins,friends, and more become outraged. They become motivated by exactly thesame motivations that fueled the wrath of the establishment that caused themto kill one guilty brother and a peaceful sister and ten month old son.The insurgency in Iraq is growing because we bring our own brand ofterrorism into the neighborhoods of the "terrorist" in the middle of night.We shoot into cars killing people who are not terrorists. Their survivingfamily become convinced the insurgents are right. Many of them drop anythoughts of moderation they had been clinging to and join the "revolution".The following conclusion should not be extracted from the body or context ofthis article. Terrorism should be fought as if it was crime! It isorganized and terrible crime, but it is not war. It should be treated ascrime. Non-participants of these crimes should be respected and protectedas they are in neighborhoods where criminals lurk. Treating it as war isfoolish! There is no state to topple! There is no defined area to conquer.If a nation is unwilling to commit sufficient troops to keep order in areaswhere terrorists thrive, that nation should not attempt to conquer thoseneighborhoods. Ultimately, they will be forced to withdraw and unless theywipe out all life, the resurrection will revive as soon as the troops leavethe streets.Terrorism should be treated as crime. Fighting it is not war in theclassical sense! War strategies do not work. Police strategies are calledfor. If the crime is extensive, as is the case in Iraq, a huge police forceis called for. If we make war on the neighborhoods, we breed revolution andthe insurgency grows and grows and grows. We are watching that happen everyday in Iraq. They do want to be free, but as human beings everywhere whentheir innocent loved ones are killed, when they look at dismembered childrenin their family they want to kill those who ripped the arms and legs off thelittle ones. We are the ones that took those limbs and those lives in suchnumbers we didn't bother to even count them. We....as in American citizensthat clamor for more dead Iraqis.... Every man who irresponsibly calls forkilling them all or nuking them are inviting a terrorist act upon hishousehold and mine.There is a way to fight evil that does not require more evil. Killing orcapturing a terrorist is a necessary act. Killing five innocents topossibly get at one terrorist is an evil of its own. There is a price topay for every evil. Notice from saint-michael: although i have yet to find it they post looks copied and pasted. So this will remain quote until further notice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sweet_princess 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2006 Many people in the world say that Muslims are terrorists and fundamentalists let me just say that- Islam forbids the killing of innocent people. Read this extract from a website i sawThis is the biggest misconception in Islam, no doubt resulting from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives Islam. When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a Catholic IRguerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts are not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many times have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist. etc.' linked with violence. Politics in so called "Muslim countries" may or may not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians will use the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should remember to go to the source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam says from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally means 'submission to God' and is derived from a root word meaning 'peace'. Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the West, whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and they make no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defense, in defense of religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat which include prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops, trees and livestock. NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF INNOCENTS.. The Quran says: "Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190) "If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61) War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad' literally means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of jihad. The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul which everyone wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner peaceISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE and don't make fun out of it until you know the true meaning of it and NO WE DO NOT WORSHIP PROPHET MUHAMMAD, HE IS a messenger of the one and only Allah.If you want to know more about Islam then try to get back to me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saint_Michael 3 Report post Posted September 10, 2006 Many people in the world say that Muslims are terrorists and fundamentalists let me just say that- Islam forbids the killing of innocent people. Read this extract from a website i sawThis is the biggest misconception in Islam, no doubt resulting from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives Islam. When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a Catholic IRguerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts are not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many times have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist. etc.' linked with violence. Politics in so called "Muslim countries" may or may not have any Islamic basis. Often dictators and politicians will use the name of Islam for their own purposes. One should remember to go to the source of Islam and separate what the true religion of Islam says from what is portrayed in the media. Islam literally means 'submission to God' and is derived from a root word meaning 'peace'. Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the West, whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and they make no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defense, in defense of religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat which include prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops, trees and livestock. NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF INNOCENTS.. The Quran says: "Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190) "If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61) War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad' literally means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of jihad. The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul which everyone wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner peaceISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE and don't make fun out of it until you know the true meaning of it and NO WE DO NOT WORSHIP PROPHET MUHAMMAD, HE IS a messenger of the one and only Allah.If you want to know more about Islam then try to get back to me. btw the media doesn't need help in bashing a religion that through out history has used violence as a "way of life". Also I find it funny that the Quran proclaims peace and yet, the Islam accepts honor killings and even the death of innocents as well.Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the West, whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and they make no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defense, in defense of religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat which include prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops, trees and livestock. Also I think you have that backwards Religion does not dominate the west if it did we would not be having the problems we are having right now.It's only extreme because of the way people twist the words around and warp others to believe it as so.Also I find it amusing that Islam doesn't believe in material possessions and yet they are selling oil and buying stuff from countries they say are evil Like America. And what I find even funnier is that people of the Muslim faith have yet to stop these people from killing people who have nothing to do with it. How would you feel if you had a member of your family kidnapped and held for ransom and then displayed on a video and have their head chopped off or shot. I wouldn't think you appreciate it much. Well guess what your fellow brother's and sisters of Islam are doing that. Like so many other's I bet you were overjoyed when the WTC was attacked and innocent people were killed.I lost many great friends both Iraqi and American when I was in Iraq, because it's people like you that believe we are attacking your religion If you don't like it then tell people to stop instead of running into a building and blowing yourselves up just to try and scare someone. You’re not going to scare us you’re just making it worse for yourselves. Only problem I see with most of the Middle East is that they think they are still in the Dark Ages and the only way to strike fear into someone is by killing and kidnapping. Also I find it sad that Islam treats women as objects and not human beings. But again that is the Men that are doing that as well. I see a lot of preaching in your posts and yet you’re defending a religion that condones the killing of women and treatment of women as slime.I don't need the media to think for me so don't try it. I proud to be born in American Infidel so you got a problem with that come to my house and I will beat my point into your skull.Also for a religion that HATES America they sure are living here, I find that rather odd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites