the empty calorie

I myself, after finally getting a chance to try Mac OS X, have decided I'm going to buy a Mac mini as well. Although I wish they still made the "pizza box" style computers. Like, and updated version of the LC I/II/III case, but of course with more modern technology. But the mini will do fine, although I need to see about what to do for audio input on it...

Intel is actually making better stuff than AMD. AMD's role is to have to eventually be able to catch up to being able to do what Intel's processor does. They've always followed Intel, so why wait...and cosidering that AMD processors don't have SSE3, Rosetta, would not run.

I've been saying this same thing for a while. Luckily, I started off my computer experiences with Apple DOS 3.3 when i was 3 years old. But I have noticed nearly everyone I know, other than older users like my dad and such, have only been exposed to Microsoft products. Some have never used even a macintosh before..and they seem to be quite qa bit scared of their computers, as a result. Even my dad, who now has used only windows and DOS since about 1987, is a bit scared of his computer. It's quite nice to just kick back and enjoy one of many *NIX variants running like a champ on my Intel system, and currently, I am enjoying native use of Mac OS X on it

I custom build computers with much better quality all around, and yet they're quite a bit less than an inferior and more expensive Alienware.Of course, all computers I build are provided and pre-installed with UNIX-like operating systems, for better reliabillity and lower cost, as well as free technical support.

Oh that's fine, you just said your desktop looks nothing like Windows, but it does a bit, so yeah. Don't stress it.

Sorry about the double post, but I screwed up the link in the first one, and there's no edit button anywhere for my post...but here is the correct one

Here is my screenshot, now that I have everything back to normal.

That taskbar.....that looks exactly like XP-ish. It's jsut the common KDE taskbar. I can't stand it.

Keep in mind, IBM and Intel/AMD, make completely different types of processors. I personally prefer IBM's offerings. IBM is behind? IBM's POWER architecture is much further ahead of Intel's...Keep in mind that IBM is known for making thew world's most powerful computers. In fact, the current recordholder IS an IBM machine, using POWER architecture. Intel offers nothing that even comes close. One thing you may be right about, the 970 series may not be their best product to go after (although I definetely wouldn't mind getting my hands on a 970 or two myself...), but don't forget what IBM is developing right now...Cell Architecture, which will blow the doors off of anything Intel has to offer. It's not like Intel is making major breakthroughs with putting multiple cores on a chip, it's been done for quite a while now. Any chip manufacturer can do that, and have been able to for the past ten years. And as far as IBM is behind Intel and AMD? Let's not mention that x86 architecture has been around since the seventies...Or that Microsuck has phased out Intel chips for the new upcoming Xbox 360, in favour of PowerPC chips... Intel has been too comfortable with x86 for so long to abandon it, and every other chip manufacturer took a big step ahead of Intel back in the early to mid nineties...Cell is coming....you better watch your step, kid.(I <3 IBM)

Well, bittorrent doesn't have much of a chance to do anything harmful if you're running under BSD or GNU/Linux. If your dad is that paranoid about security, what is he doing using Windows in the first place? I'm not saying he needs to switch, but I am saying that BitTorrent should be the LEAST of his worries. Like someone said earlier, the only way his computer will be impenetrable to anyone, is if it's not on a network. Is this your own computer on a network? Or shared?

Well, I've actually had pretty good luck with OpenBSD...much simpler than Linux to me. And according to your post...it's a bit surprising, ad I've always heard that OpenBSD is the least friendly BSD, and blah, but I didn't have near as much trouble as that with OpenBSD. X started just fine out of the box and everything. Maybe you might want to try that out? And as for the BSD bootloader....I still haven't been able to correctly use that thing. If I want to boot my second hard drive (running BeOS VIMBA), then it won't let me... I'm noticing all this "funny behaviour" in Debian GNU/Linux as opposed to OpenBSD of before...Well, good luck, and if f'BSD keeps at it, o'BSD might be a lot nicer to you.

Um....BSD uses a Monolithic kernel...is easier to maitain, and commands??? Commands have all been the same in my experience. Of course, "rpm"isn't going to work. BSD has actually been much nicer to me than Linux. And remember, isn't this for your dad's office, and not for you? So what would you need to know about the commands anyways?

Hahaha....

Anyways, Yes, there actually is a way to build your own G3/G4 based PowerPC machine. There's a company called Genesi which makes an ATX motherboard for use with either a G3 or G4 processor, and It also comes with installation disks for MorphOS and Debian GNU/Linux PPC. It seems to be more intended for people wanting to build their own Amiga-like computer, but does welll with GNU/Linux as well. I'm looking into getting one of these for myself, although the price is a little steeper than going with an x86 setup.

Oh, and here is the website:
https://genesi.company/

Hello everyone. Now I've had many experiences with desktop systems, but Today, I've decided to taskle a new task:Building a webserver.Now, I'm guessing someone knows how I'd want to go about this. I'd be running either OpenBSD, or Debian Linux. The computer is a bit older, but all it will do is serve a index page and a message board. Does anyone know of a good way I can go about doing this?

Then let's see this...

Um...I only used one CD, and the image was only 110-180M or so...This is what we call a network install...

I personally think KDE sucks, and I would personally rather use CDE any day over KDE. *NIX is old, and old doesn't necessarily mean outdated. It can also mean tried-and-true performance, as is the case with UNIX and *NIXes out there. I could slam you for using KDE, being as it's basically what makes *NIX make more like a Windows-wannabe, not to mention Tk's inferiority in performance compared to GTK+... But you do your thing, I do mine, let the CDE user do his too.

I was using AmiWM, but I have just today switched over to Debian (which I am liking quite a bit), so I am just using GNOME2 for the moment...I am really getting spoiled by apt-get...

Well, I haven't had experience with Fedora, but I have with older Red Hat, and I myself wouldn't use Red Hat, or Fedora. My recommendation would be Debian.

No changes to the HURD since 2000, huh... I suppose that is the one on the debian website?

Well, I must ask, what all is this server being used for?

AIX and HP-UX aren't exactly dead. BSD and GNU/Linux are just what you see in homes and in the hands of hobbyists more often, like us. AIX and HP-UX still have their places in the workplace, although more often now, GNU/Linux and BSD systems are deployed more often, probably due to lower cost and higher popularity.

Well, I am a bit curious as to how everyone has their graphical interface setup in *NIX OS'es. Please, no screenshots of Windows, but Mac OS X is okay, as it is a *NIX OS. But what Window Manager/Desktop Environment, maybe programs you normally use, and whatever showing in a screenshot you wish to post. Maybe add on a little mini-story about your computer, what it's used for, and what hardware it runs on.I'd just like to see the many faces of other *NIX screens, as we have many, and those users of Windows are basically stuck with one interface.I'll post my screenshot later tonight. Have fun!

I was just wondering, and have been for a while, is anything still going on with the HURD? I was interested in this, but I saw that development doesn't seem to have gone very fdar, and possibly even stopped when people got used to the Linux kernal as the "stand in" for the HURD.I know, the HURD is not Linux, but this seemed to be the most appropriate place to ask this, as it is slightly related.

Well, I'm setting up the iMac for someone else as a desktop computer, but I decided to actually try ubuntu debian GNU/linux on it, for the sake of the person has no *NIX experience whatsoever, and OpenBSD not supporting the dial-up modem, and the sound, as the person wishes to mainly use the computer as a music player for CDs and files, and to type the occasional paper and such. So far, it works quite niucely, and I haven't had to issue a single CLI commands to be able to do anything, which would bother the hell out of me, but that's to make it easier to him and his wife-to-be to use. So in essence, a GNU/Linux system as a wedding present.My sound still doesn't work on my Intel box either, but I just end up throwing everything off BitTorrent onto CD and playing it in the second CD drive (dedicated CDDA) through my home stereo, so not a big issue.Thank you for the help though!