Red Alert

Worth a work around? All you have to do is click the "View" menu, then click "Source". No code can stop someone from doing that. That could be considered even easier that right click >view source .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..................................................

.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. PS3, of course. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. Most people don't realize that Xbox is the lest popular system among gamers by a longshot. A recent poll on GameFAQs (the biggest gaming site in the world for those unaware) showed that about 50% of gamers don't own an Xbox. That's more than double the amount of gamers who didn't own a PS2 or Gamecube. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. Statistics don't lie, and microsoft hasn't added anything to the 360 to make this gen any different. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..................................................

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Do you see the thread title? It says "Super Smash Bros Melee", so let's try to keep the SSBR opinions/data to another thread, mkay?

That depends on what files Microsoft allows to be transferred through the Xbox. If they're files that can tell the system what to do (or what not to do), then yes, you can get viruses.

There are people who's idea of having fun is just playing the game...There are other people who's idea of having fun is winning the game.I don't really mind either, but when someone says that it's just a party game and nothing else, I get a little PO'ed >_>

Yes...I'm sure people travel halfway across the world to play a "party game" for thousands of dollars. Just because you don't know how to play advanced smash doesn't mean it's a party game. And...how is Fox a noob character? With the fastest attack in the game, a 4 frame jump, and a slew of infinite combos, he's the hardest character to master.Of course, I wouldn't expect you to know any of this because you're to close-minded to accept anything past the "party game" image.

Now, I could just throw the statistics at you to begin, but I?ll start with an introduction. The Marth vs Roy debate is probably the biggest divider between the pros and newbs of SSBM. The newbs see Roy as one of the best, if the not the best, character in the game. The pros know better, though, and realize that when you take into account every aspect of the character, Marth is far better. Newbs generally think Roy is a ?stronger, faster version of Marth?. The best reason for this common misconception is probably the fact that newbs have a hard time sweet-spotting (this is hitting with the very tip of the blade, where Marth does the most damage) Marth?s attacks and therefore don?t realize that his smashes have slightly more damage and knockback. But if it?s only slightly more damage and knockback, why is Marth so much better? Roy still has a one hit KO move and a more powerful counter! I said smashes have slightly more. Most people who think Roy is better mainly do smash attacks, and occasional tilt. They never use aerial attacks to make an assault, which is what Roy players SHOULD be doing. Marth?s aerial game is so much better than Roy?s that there?s no questioning it ? Marth?s aerial attacks come out considerably faster than Roy?s, have more range, and do way more damage. Marth has one of the best aerial games in the game while Roy?s?sucks. Yea, but Roy still has a one hit KO move and a better counter. His attacks also set the opponent on fire! I can?t tell you how many times I?ve heard these as reasons for Roy being better?sigh? 1. Roy?s one hit KO move takes about 5 seconds to charge. Whoever you?re facing would have to be as dumb as a rock to walk into that 2. Roy?s counter comes out slower than Marth?s and doesn?t last as long. It?s not as much as an advantage as it may seem since it?s easily punished. 3. Fire is nothing but a flashy effect. It deals no extra stun than the attack would normally deal. You?re wrong. The better character just depends on the person?s playing style This is right?to an extent. Like I said before, most newbs just spam smashes and tilts with Roy without any regard to the sweet-spot, so in their case Roy would be better. But for people who play Roy to his maximum potential and Marth to his maximum potential, then Marth would easily win. Let me further emphasize the fact that Marth?s aerial game is so much better than Roy?s that he completely leaves Roy in the dust. If you and your opponent never use aerial attacks, then Roy wouldn?t be much worse, but once you face an opponent that does, you?ll lose badly. Note that this isn?t about what character YOU?RE good with, but what character is better if you use each one to his potential. Now for the facts to back up what I?ve just said? A moves -------- Neutral A Marth: 6% Roy: 5% Tilt Forward Marth: 13% Roy: 10% Tilt Up Marth: 12% Roy: 8% Tilt Down Marth: 10% Roy: 10% Neutral Air Marth: 13% Roy: 11% Forward Air Marth: 13% Roy: 8% Back Air Marth: 13% Roy: 9% Up Air Marth: 13% Roy: 6% Down Air Marth: 13% Roy: 10% Smash Forward Marth: 20% uncharged, 27% charged Roy: 20% uncharged, 27% charged Smash Up Marth: 18% uncharged, 24% charged Roy: 16% uncharged, 22% charged Smash Down Marth: 16% uncharged, 21% charged Roy: 21% uncharged, 28% charged Who has stronger A moves? Marth: 9 Roy: 1 B moves -------- Neutral B Marth: 7% uncharged, 28% charged Roy: 6% uncharged, 50% charged Forward B* Marth: 4% 5% 10% 14% Roy: 5% 6% 9% 11% Up B Marth: 13% Roy: 13% Down B Marth: 7% Roy: 1.5x attack countered Who has stronger B moves? Marth: 1 Roy: 2 Throws ------- Forward Throw Marth: 4% Roy: 5% Back Throw Marth: 4% Roy: 5% Up Throw Marth: 4% Roy: 5% Down Throw Marth: 5% Roy: 6% Grab Attack Marth: 3% Roy: 3% Who has stronger throws? Marth: 0 Roy: 4 Who has stronger moves overall? Marth: 10 Roy: 7 Well there you have it folks, no fanboyism, just pure stats you can get for yourselves in training mode. * - Each number corresponds to ONLY the attack of the Forward B for its position. For example, the third hit of Marth's Forward B does 10%. Also note, this is only using Forward B repeatedly, other variations were not tested, but feel free to check it for yourselves. Marth also has more knockback, in addition to dealing more damage. Roy has the larger sweet spot, but if you test out their non-sweet spot attacks, Marth still beats Roy out, easily. The moves Roy wins in are throws, down smash, Flare Blade and counter. Roy wins in throws by a whopping one percent, and Roy's grabbing and throwing game is actually a disadvantage to him, since Roy can't chain throw and has a worse grab range. Counter comes out slower, thus making it less useful than Marth's. Not lasting that long isn't a disadvantage for Roy, since you can time that, but you can't get over the fact that his counter comes out slower. Flare Blade, which is useless except for edgeguarding, is stronger, but it can be blocked, while Marth's Shield Breaker will take off at least 1/3 of your shield uncharged. Roy's down smash does more damage, but has less knockback, and comes out slower. And then there's the basic stuff. We can conclude that: Marth is stronger than Roy. Marth is faster than Roy (in everything but falling speed) Marth falls slower than Roy (making him harder to juggle) Marth is heavier than Roy (making him harder to KO horizontally) Marth can chain throw. Marth has better grabs. Marth's sweet spot may be better placed (weak attacks near him, strong attacks away to set up some interesting combos) Marth has what is considered to be one of the best spikes in the game (aerial down+A), while Roy's sucks. Marth wins in 10 and Roy wins in 7. It?s not that much of a difference You fail to realize that 4 of those 7 come from a 1% difference in throws. Marth?s grab range is much longer, therefore giving him the better grabbing game anyway. If you look at the moves in terms of which is more useful instead of more powerful, you?d get Marth with 14 and Roy with 3. Not so close any more, is it? Alright?I?m willing to suck up my pride and say that Marth is statically better and that I?ve thought Roy was better because of the reasons stated above?But how should I use Roy? I don?t know much about Roy, but the little bit of information Mask-o-Sheik wrote should cover enough to give you a general idea: ?Hey guys, for those of you who don't know me I'm Mask-o-Sheik and although I don't use Roy as my main, I like playing around with him. I know a few things about him, but not too much. That's where the discussion kicks in, am I right? After the quasi-success of my other thread, I thought I'd encourage some more intelligent discussion here by starting a thread on the controversial Roy. Feel free to discuss any sentiments on Roy, whether comment, question, complaint, suggestion, strategy, analyses, etc. What do I mean when I say Roy is a controversial character? He, more than any other character, represents the divide between high-level players and low-level players (the vast majority). Low-level players tend to consider Roy one of the best characters in the game, and are quite vocal about this. High-level players, on the other hand, know the disadvantages that bring the fiery swordsman into the middle of the rankings. The issue of Roy's prowess, particularly in comparison to Marth, leads to a lot of friction between the two ranks. The ironic thing is, Roy is considered a top character by low-level players because of his overwhelming strength, and is considered middle by higher-level players because of his overwhelming *lack* of strength. Roy is actually almost a counter-image of what more people see him as. He's a fast, weak, combo-based character, not a heavy hitter! Anyways, I won't go through an essay on what Roy is about. I'll do a very general overview...basically, Roy is best played when up close and dealing pressure (another irony - this leads to a faster playstyle than how Marth is usually played. Thus, the newbie belief that Roy is stronger and slower than Marth is at least partially untrue on several levels). He likes jumping in with short hop aerials and l-cancelling them into down tilts, grabs and forward B's initial attack. In terms of combos, Roy is all about the weakness of his aerials - he l-cancels them and is still in range to use some of his ground attacks (or short hop into another aerial). Down tilt is also one of the best launchers in the game and leads into everything from grabs to aerials to forward smash (!!) at some damage. Of course, the faster the opponent falls, the more deadly the attack is . For the most part though, Roy's best chance is a medium knockback attack (like an uncharged Flare Blade) to knock the foe off the edge and finish by edgeguarding. In terms of killing, Roy is pretty lacking. Going for the lucky forward smash can net you kills at as low as about 40%, but it's a risky business and you'll often wind up losing more than you would've gained by throwing around forward smashes indiscriminately. The third hit on his forward B combo is also one of Roy's main killers, and is a little easier to land. He has some leadins to Forward Smash, by the way, but they're hard to promise (back throw never seems to work when you want it to). Unfortunately, edge-guarding is kind of tough for Roy and he'll have trouble keeping opponents from reaching the edge if their name is not Fox, Falco, Captain Falcon or Ganondorf. Unless I'm not privy to Roy's edge-guarding secrets . Roy can try to pop up the opponent with down tilt and follow with uncharged Flare Blade or some other attack, or he can try to Forward Smash the edge of the stage. Sometimes through edgehogging you can force them on-stage for a forward smash - take full advantage of this!? Since Marth?s play style differs so much from Roy?s, how should I play Marth? In case you?ve read this and have decided to switch to Marth, you?re probably wondering how to use him, since spamming smashes whenever you get the chance won?t win you matches. Marth?s strategy revolves greatly around his aerial game, and getting the sweet-spot hit when you need to. Unlike Roy, Marth has the ability to juggle using short hop, fast falled, l-canceled (shffl, for short) aerials or a double short hop (sh) forward A while in the air (fair). At lower percents Marth?s aerial attacks have major combo potential, being able to combo from 0 to death, but you have to be careful when using Marth and make sure you combo into your forward smash as soon as you know it will kill, because after your opponent gets above 100% or so it becomes incredibly hard, if not impossible, to combo aerial attacks because they knock the opponent back too far. In the situation that ever happens the best way would be to use a neutral A while in the air (nair) or a forward tilt to hit your opponent off the stage and edgeguard from there. Like I said, throwing around forward smashes whenever you get the chance will get you killed, so avoid using it unless you combo into it. Marth has arguably the best grab game in SSBM, as well. He has the 4th longest grab range behind Samus, Link, and Young Link, but he doesn?t have the lag that comes with throwing the grappling hook/hookshot out. This means you must shield grab with Marth. He can shield grab after almost every physical attack in the game, so use if often. A back/forward throw by can lead into a tippered (sweet-spotted) forward smash at lower percents allowing Marth to get some low percent kills, or an upthrow can lead to an easy tipper against a fast faller like Fox or Falco. At lower percents Marth can continuously grab-upthrow Fox and Falco from about 0-35%. This is called a chain throw, and is essential to win against the space animals. So why did Hal make Marth better than Roy in every aspect of the game? The best possibility for this is that Hal didn?t make the game with 1v1 with no items in mind. Marth is better in 1v1 matches, but since Roy has a bigger sweetspot, he might be better in a free for all match. Marth?s sweetspot is considerably smaller than Roy?s ? This doesn?t make a difference in 1v1, but in FFA you aren?t going to see a Marth hit two people at the same time with the sweetspot, while it?s relatively easy for Roy. That?s about it. If you?re going to make an argument, make sure I haven?t already addressed the issue in my post.

Well...Hal saw how competitive SSB had become with Z-canceling, so they nerfed it a bit, but still left it in SSBM as L-canceling. They probably didn't foresee things like wavedashing and infinite combos...but they imagined it could be as competitive as SSB was.On a side note: anyone want to see a Marth vs Roy analysis I wrote up?

Someone can be okay at ANY game when they first play, and the more skilled will always have the advantage...It depends on how much skill is needed to reach the max...Do you actually expect to land Roy's fully charged neutral B? In everything except that and downsmash, Marth knocks back further and does more % damage.

Yea...Most people who say this is more of a party game than a skill game are the people who think Roy is stronger than Marth...most of them even think Roy is better than Marth XD

Ah...that's why.Yea, I don't really play 4 player free for alls...Too much randomness and not enough skill. I usually go for 2v2 or 1v1...no items and fair stages, of course.

IIRC, Marth is stronger than Link with the tip of his sword...And I've never really seen Falcon Punch as much of a thread since it takes about a second to charge...Falcon's shffled (short hop fast fall l-cancel) fair (aerial forward A) is much more lethal...One of the fastest and most powerful attacks in the game.

Link's a little too slow for me...Although with shffling he can be moderately fast.Oh, and it's really fun to do the reverse Hyrule jump with Link using his bombs

Who's your favorite character in SSBM? I prefer Fox because he has nice shine combos and shine spiking is so much fun. My secondary would have to be Marth because he's a little bit stronger and way faster than Roy.