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Eternal_Bliss

Dont u think that lying in ur grave for eternity will be rather boring......... unless U have a nice neighbour on ur either side So that u get someone to talk to.... Actually after couple of days after ur death u will get smelly as hell... AND I think it will be good to come out of that So perform good deeds to unite with the SUPREME AND to live happily ever after.........


Chesso

Well I do perform good deeds when I can, but not for anything in return.I won't be bored sitting in a casket dead because my body will cease to function, I will no longer have thought or feelins or anything else, just like any other dead creature *shrugs*.So once I'm dead it won't matter to me because I can't care lmao.


Eternal_Bliss

The point made by u is what precisley the scripture says that perform good deeds(Karma ) but dont get attached to it that is dont expect anything out of it.....................I guess u r on the right track so keep it up....

NEXT THING IS we should not limit ourselves to the body of ours...which is just like a dress we r wearing.

We will just leave our dress and may be take another one. But definetly we will not cease to exist....


Chesso

Oh sure the the protective layer will decompose but so will the insides lol .Either rot intot he ground or be eating by some other form of life, and the cycle continues *dun dun dun*.


Eternal_Bliss

Oh sure the the protective layer will decompose but so will the insides lol .

 

Either rot intot he ground or be eating by some other form of life, and the cycle continues *dun dun dun*.

 

Again u made the right comment that the cycle goes on and on....thats wat the scripture says that u will get born again and again(When u do selfish deeds and u r attached to your deedS(KARMA)

WHEN U DONT ATTACH TO UR DEEDS THAT IS DONT EXPECT ANYTHING OUT OF IT u become free of ur KARMA and get free of this unending cycle...AND UNITE WITH THE ABSOLUTE which is called SALVATION or MOKSHA or NIRVANA or BODDHISATVA


Chesso

Could eternal rest as in being quite literally plain old dead an option?I'm quite serious about that question btw, on the off chance something does happen when it's my time lol.


Eternal_Bliss

YES, Eternal rest is an option for every one in this universe. GOD, created this whole universe from his part (also u and me), our DUTY is to find our way back to the place where we come frm and this is why we are born in this world..............WE will keep on taking births untill our purpose of coming here is fullfiled.........


Chesso

Oh well it sounds like whether I believe or not I'll pretty much have my way, sounds good to me.Where is everyone else on this topic anyway...... they have all dissapeared *shrugs*.


Eternal_Bliss

Yeah, it has rather become a talk between us

Beliving is not the only option there are three ways to get SALVATION

 

1) BY PERFORMING GOOD DEEDS

2) BY COMPLETE DEVOTION TO THE SUPREME

3)BY ACCUIRING KNOWLEDGE (which is rare)

AGAIN these all r written in the scripture

And I am sure if u read the Holy Gita and understan its hidden and the real meaning it will make sense to u as it does to me...........


Chesso

Normally I would be curious to read such material, but these days I find myself not liking books at all. I hate reading generally..... but obviously it's difficult to avoid in life and when I'm on a computer so much, I probably do more reading than book worms do lol.I think I actually sat down and read one once, just for the hell of it but I don't know any specifics about it's history or any other books, I'm assuming there quite a number of different ones.


Eternal_Bliss

Normally I would be curious to read such material, but these days I find myself not liking books at all. I hate reading generally..... but obviously it's difficult to avoid in life and when I'm on a computer so much, I probably do more reading than book worms do lol.

 

I think I actually sat down and read one once, just for the hell of it but I don't know any specifics about it's history or any other books, I'm assuming there quite a number of different ones

NO MAN The book which I am takking about is the BHAGWAT GITA WHICH IS the sacred book of the hindus and belive me there is no other book in this world which says about the things which this book does.

The concepts given in the book ranges frm THE BIRTH OF THE UNIVERSE , THE CONCEPT OF TIME , AND GOING BEYOND TIME which a layman will find hard to understand but not with u I guess.........

BY THE WAY I got interested in this book from a 70's bestseller book named 'THE TAO OF PHYSICS' by a french author FRITJOF CAPRA which says about modern physics and EASTERN mystics....


Chesso

Ahhh, I haven't gone into any of that as such, mostly stuck to what I already know and just improved on it.Any of my views on things like this and psychics is just my plain logic, I don't have any real experience or knowledge in the matter, though I do have facts things I have picked up here and there on certain subjects.


mitchellmckain

mitchellmckain I called u frustrated because u were calling people extremists. Anyway I said that very jokingly.

 

Regarding Old Testament, since it does not belong to my religion I would refrain from making any comments or bringing out excerpts where God is shown as a merciless killer, but howsoever most who have read it, know so. There was a discussion regarding that even here some time back.

 


You are mistaken I did not call anyone extremist, I was replying to someone else who was calling people extremists. Bizzarre irrational justification for a bizzare irrational thing to say.

 

Changing the topic from providing weapons to being a merciless killer? Well well.

 

God is a merciless killer -- so are we all. So are most living organisms on the planet. A few humans simply like to delude themselves that they are otherwise. Why do you kill? Because the micro-organisms dare to invade your body? Because these creatures are just too insignificant to notice? So I take it you do not believe in capital punishment? No human being is irredemable according to you, is that it?

 

 

BY THE WAY I got interested in this book from a 70's bestseller book named 'THE TAO OF PHYSICS' by a french author FRITJOF CAPRA which says about modern physics and EASTERN mystics....

I read it. I was not to impressed by the understanding of physics in it. But I do like Taoism. My father is even a Taoist. So although I am a Christian myself there is a definite influence of this kind of mysticism on my thinking.

 

YES, Eternal rest is an option for every one in this universe. GOD, created this whole universe from his part (also u and me), our DUTY is to find our way back to the place where we come frm and this is why we are born in this world..............WE will keep on taking births untill our purpose of coming here is fullfiled

 

Jees, I wouldn't see much point in believing this even if it were "true". Yes I am a pragmatist as well as a Christian mystic - I'm existentialist too. I don't think we can accomplish our purpose in this life by denial and seeking escape. True understanding comes from complete participation and full appreciation of the value of everything and everyone around you and giving of yourself without reservation.

 

I cannot believe in this idea of the world as a prison. It is only a prison to Lucifer and his demons, only these evil spirts are doomed to coming back again and again as parasites to new hosts. They hate this world and wish to escape it.

 

No the world is a womb and that is a very big difference, for you leave the womb not to go back but to go forward, becoming something completely new and experiencing a bigger a wider existence, which you are only ready to experience after achieving the growth, that is your purpose in the womb. After leaving it there is no going back. If you are premature there is only the doctor who can save you.


Eternal_Bliss

IT seems to me U ARE too preocupied by ur own Ideas to understand others.......UR cup of the mind is already full so U cannot take any more( no wonder !!!!!) AND regarding the world as a PRISION who said this world is one. I rather wanted to mean the world as a oppurtinity or a door which GOD has given us to unite with the HIM.....and I didnt say that u dont have to participate completly in the EVENTS around U to find SALVATION.......U have to rather help the ppl around u TO SEEK GOD...to some of the ppl in this world, ideas which are alien to them are EVIL and DEMONIC and those of their own are TRUE which I find hard to understand. FOR THEM either the things in the world is BLACK or WHITE no GREY SHADES for them


Chesso

Heh heh, it's difficult for some to believe in such a thing, especially after so many silly things were de-bunked almost entirely.Most things that people thought in the past to be some great omen, or some great blessing was actually nothing more than something rather common and people back then couldn't explain it.It's quite possible this could be the same for Jesus and his doings, perhaps he was just a simple man trying to help and some people got word and twisted things.... it happens.But I suppose Jesus isn't the real topic of discussion and whether he worked his butt off to grow bread and make wine or click his fingers to get the same end result, he was awful nice either way eh.


Eternal_Bliss

IS JESUS the topic of disscussion or not I cant say.....as I didnt start it !!and I cant say what JESUS was as I am not in a position to do that...but I have my own brain and I can say that there are many religions in this world besides Chirstianity and one should stop following any religion blindly(the religion one is born with) but inquire about it, with the intellegence which GOD has given us and have our own opinion rather then bad-mouthing other's point of veiw.... AND WHO KNOWS PPL MIGHT HAVE TWISTED THE FACTS TO SHOW TO OTHERS THAT SOMEONE IS THEIR ONLY TRUE SAIVOR..


Chesso

Of course, alot of people twisted facts back then or just believed it was something more, I mean they had no other way to explain it, so they had to interpret it in their own way.Same thing still happens today eh heh heh.But either why the outcome was the same, were here and we'll die and that's that eh, might as well make the most of it I guess (easier said than done).


mitchellmckain

IT seems to me U ARE too preocupied by ur own Ideas to understand others.......UR cup of the mind is already full so U cannot take any more( no wonder !!!!!)

 

This sounds like the words of someone looking for a convert rather than a discussion. If this is your outreach program then you are right I am not an easy mark for you to achieve your numerical goal. Indeed, I am not a blank slate on which you can write, I am a scientist, philosopher and theologian with a masters from a theological seminary and a masters in physics, which just means that I have studied a lot of ideas from a lot of different people and I have been thinking about these things a lot. Do I understand everything? Of course not.

 

Discussion provides the opportunity for learning new things, but with someone like me it is a back and forth exchange. If you require a blank slate, there is always your children, but the challenge here is to see if you can make your ideas understood to people who already have a different way of thinking. There is always a question of context. Are your ideas too alien to be of any meaning to me or is some of what you say applicable in a different context. It is the idea of discussion that instead of just talking at people we talk back and forth. Everyone is the speaker and everyone is the audience.

 

Besides there is always the chance that participants in a discussion like this will have ideas that are uniquely their own. I think that the possible ideas are infinite. So no matter what I may have already studied there is always the chance of meeting someone who does not simply parrot what they have read or been taught.

 

AND regarding the world as a PRISION who said this world is one. I rather wanted to mean the world as a oppurtinity or a door which GOD has given us to unite with the HIM.....and I didnt say that u dont have to participate completly in the EVENTS around U to find SALVATION.......U have to rather help the ppl around u TO SEEK GOD...

 

Prison (suffering) or illusion (maya), it does not really matter, the point is that the world is viewed as something to escape from, and that still sounds like a denial of its beauty and value, which lessens what one can learn from it. You seem to believe in many paths as the Buddhists do, but if so each must find the one path that works for him. I can only speak of the path which I can see and understand.

 

Look Christianity too has its own forms of denial and a huge blind spot when it comes to seeing the value of the natural world. It is so focused on the question of good and evil in human thought and behavior that it completely ignores the natural world, leaving the door open for its abuse and destruction. It has taken time for the Western world to realize the cliff which it is quickly approaching, when the earth will only recover after the human race is extinct.

 

to some of the ppl in this world, ideas which are alien to them are EVIL and DEMONIC and those of their own are TRUE which I find hard to understand. FOR THEM either the things in the world is BLACK or WHITE no GREY SHADES for them

 

I see that you are disturbed by my subtle comparison of the way that Hinduism views the world and the way that I think Lucifer and his demons view the world. But I did not really mean imply that Hinduism is demonic. I meant only exactly and no more than what I said, that I cannot see it that way. I absolutely believe in religious freedom and I rejoice and embrace diversity in human thought and practice. For me even the shades of gray are too restrictive, I need the whole spectrum. Shades of gray still imply an absolute standard of good and bad by which you can judge all things, but in a full color spectrum you can see that some things are just different and neither better nor worse.

Eternal_Bliss

AM I SEEKING A CONVERT ????? first off all I want to make it clear that in hinduism no one can be converted to, like in other religions( ISLAM or CHRISTIANITY or any other religion of the world)....in HINDUISM it is said that "sarva dharma sambhava"sarva:every, dharma: religion, sambhava: possible i.e. all the religions are the way to GOD...NO one will find hindu holy man preaching their religion and seeking converts having a goal to convert the whole world it is followed mosty in the INDIAN sub-continent..So conversion doesnt come in the question...and appreciating other religion I was saying that we should undestan other's point of veiw and have our own unike way which is the most satisfying to us....and cant be Baised over one particular religion simply coz we r born with it.......


Chesso

Heh heh, I was somewhat born into a religious type family but none of them are for it anymore, they kind of learned better of it.It was alot of the uhhh, well education system trying to push kids into it, highly religious people pushing into it.... it makes alot of people want to forget about it and not even consider it eh.



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