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adriantc

we know how much loss piracy is causing to the entertainment/software industry these days. in the days before the internet, there was hardly any piracy, and even the little that was there didn't cause much damage. that was why the prices went up rapidly and that hasn't changed much even today.

 

today the most damaging form of piracy may be the sale of dvds, but the work that goes into the creation of these dvds is still done through the internet. if im not wrong, the "scene" doesn't sell dvds but just circulates them online, right? but the other "scene" which prepares and sells the dvds still uses the internet for getting everything ready. so the main culprit is the internet, without which piracy couldn't have gotten stronger.

 

but on the other hand, thanks to piracy, at least a few people are now having the sense to reduce the prices and make the products more closer to the general law-abiding public. had it not been for piracy, the high prices would have continued and people would have probably found some other form of entertainment (and in case of software - open source). of course there is still scope of much change and much reduction of prices, but atleast its a start.

 

my theory is that piracy should die out soon, but before dying it should give such a shock to everyone that the reduction of prices should become much more speedier. im not sure how this shock should be, but it'll be good if there was a nice shock to remind the industry giants that unless they price the products sensibly, they'll continue to face the wrath of piracy always and it'll just keep on getting worse unless they act soon.

 

so does anyone have an idea of such a shock? don't you think it would be sort of good if such a thing happened? after all, piracy has started the reduction of prices so maybe it can do that a bit more faster with this shock, in whatever form it comes


First of all you can't blame the Internet for the advert (or increase) of piracy. Thanks to piracy and porn the Internet is where it is today... Without them we'd all still have 56kb dial-up connections. And porn is also responsible for the boom of the movie industry. You can't possibly think that 99% of all the data sent thru the Internet is Wikipedia and emails. Yeah the Internet provided a much easier way to share everything, but that made the Internet more attractive and faster and on the long run that generates a lot more money then what damage piracy makes.

 

I am a software developer with a few small open source software. I think your theory is not correct... I think the prices of software today also take in consideration the piracy... If they think they will loose 2 copies every one sold they will add the price (or at least a part of it) of the 2 pirated to the one sold. Also I don't think heavily lowered prices with exterminate piracy. Nothing can do that except making all software open source. And that will never happen. Whatever you do, you can never beat free (which piracy provides) software.

 

What can be done in my opinion is change the habits of people. Donations would change if not eliminate piracy. If developers of open source software receive money on a daily basis it would encourage others to develop software... free software supported by donation. That is the only way to eliminate people. Users should realize that they don't have to pay for software, but they have to show support for a project and future development.

 

That should be the way of the future. But it's very hard to change people's habits!


k_nitin_r

Hi!@The SimpletonI agree, this thread has seen quite a few posts today. All of what I and the other members have said does not change the fact that software piracy is illegal, unethical, and should be stopped. There are anti-piracy measures in place that do affect the rest of the consumers and increase costs.People, by nature, crave freebies and they get attracted by promotional offers that give you something for free in exchange for a purchase. Software pirates who sell CDs on the streets are aware that they could be deported if they are caught and may have to serve jail time, but they do what they do to feed their families and are forced by circumstances into what they do. The rest of us who have a choice are more fortunate in that we get to decide for ourselves. When working for an organization, we push the management to buying licenses for software that we really do require.


The Simpleton

People, by nature, crave freebies and they get attracted by promotional offers that give you something for free in exchange for a purchase.


You're right - we've become addicted to freebies. In theory you might say people will stop encouraging piracy when prices come down, but thanks to this addiction they might actually not be able to give up the habit. Old habits die hard, and this is perhaps the most addictive habit of them all

mandarpowale

People have been stealing stuff ever since humans started walking on two feet. Some people do it because they are kleptomaniacs, a honest buck would probably kill such people. There are no rules in the universe (God's law we may call it) that prevents theft, murder, rape etc. If god really cared about victims of crime he would have made it impossible to commit it. He would not have created things such as loss, pain, humiliation, desire. The only rules are those which are made by society. The law believes in revenge in form of punishment for the crime and religion proposes forgiveness. The law and religion are really polar opposites. Which do you prefer. Empathic people would forgive maybe.The law does not ensure prevention of crime, it just reduces it through fear of prosecution. Does it matter how many security encryption are placed on the software ?. Denying people coveted things makes it challenging for them to steal it. ensuring that theft will continue .


Shahrukh

Piracy helps people who can't afford the actual software and aren't really going to use it much anyway.Some of them may like the software so much that they may buy the actual software (very rarely though).If prices are lower, then people would definitely prefer original software. However, its always a matter of net revenue. For example:10 copies sold * 350 per copy = 350070 copies sold * 50 per copy = 3500I doubt that lower prices will have that much increase in sales.So if 10 people buy the software and the 60 other use a pirated copy, then even if 1 of those are moved to buy the original, the net revenue is higher.Note: I still do not like piracy. Its unethical.


rpgsearcherz

The piracy will forever go on because of the thoughts out there that say "information should be free to the world." A direct representation of this is in the movie Antitrust.Another much less powerful reason for it is that people are just too used to it now. Think about the programs people need that they can't afford. To break down a personal one, it was Microsoft Office. We had to pay $650 for a normal copy (not even Professional) around 6 years ago (before the student pricing and all). For most people that would be a ridiculous amount -- and it was, but we had to have it and didn't want to have the piracy on our conscience.But for the most part, people don't view it as being wrong, or they just flat out don't care.Now as to whether or not it drops prices, I doubt that, but it *does* increase sales. When Napster and Morpheus came out (both were very popular song sharing platforms, P2P) record sales increased dramatically. People often download things because it allows them to see what they are missing out on; not solely because they want to steal. Another example is movies -- a lot of people will download a cam version of a movie in theaters and then buy the real DvD or BlueRay (as BR discs are 60 GB's pirating really isn't an option).The problem is the RIAA and whatnot would rather make everyone think it's purely negative instead of realize it's a two-sided coin.


anwiii

The piracy will forever go on because of the thoughts out there that say "information should be free to the world." A direct representation of this is in the movie Antitrust.
But for the most part, people don't view it as being wrong, or they just flat out don't care.


"?" you are basing a movie on real life? i don't think the majority of people will agree. we are talking about games, movies, software, etc. those things aren't just information bud.

you say for the most part that people don't view piracy as wrong. again, i think most people will disagree with you there too. i think everyone knows it's wrong under the law and moral code. they just don't care. that's basically what it boils down to. not caring about right from wrong or thinking it's such a little wrong it doesn't matter. i mean....what is one guy. how can one guy hurt a company? they can't. but millions can and millions do. so it's really not so little after all.

i do think most people actually care but i think they consider themselves 1 star in the galaxy. when everyone has the same mindset, it really will put a hurt on businesses. maybe not so much the big companies, but the smaller ones DEFINATELY when they don't have that diversity of products to target consumers with.

rpgsearcherz

"?" you are basing a movie on real life? i don't think the majority of people will agree. we are talking about games, movies, software, etc. those things aren't just information bud.
you say for the most part that people don't view piracy as wrong. again, i think most people will disagree with you there too. i think everyone knows it's wrong under the law and moral code. they just don't care.


I based the movie on Real Life because if you were part of the Open Source scene you'd understand the view behind it. It's the same one every piracy group has. You should read up on both -- you'd find out a lot.

As for the "piracy is wrong," thing. I'm pretty sure I stated that "or," meaning inclusive (in other words, their view is either one or the other -- I didn't state one takes more prominence over the other). Re-reading, I did state that.

The Simpleton

i do think most people actually care but i think they consider themselves 1 star in the galaxy. when everyone has the same mindset, it really will put a hurt on businesses. maybe not so much the big companies, but the smaller ones DEFINATELY when they don't have that diversity of products to target consumers with.

That is indeed the sort of attitude people have these days and sadly, this builds up to be a chain and everyone ends up doing it with the thought that one person can't make any difference. This "one-person" theory can be seen not only in the case of piracy but also in many other situations in life, where everyone keeps thinking that just one person can't make any difference. The day when they realise that they can indeed make a difference, on that day perhaps the chain will be broken and people will start waking up to the effects of piracy.


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