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Saint_Michael

After talking to OpaQue and what not he mention that I should make a post about applying for admin here. I made slight note about the cardinal rule .Would like to submit my application for adminship at Xisto. I believe I have what it takes to be an admin at the Xisto forums and that is respect of my skills from the other members and how I operate to keep the forums organize and fun to be at as well. I know their are others who deserve this spot more then I but I have what it takes. Also the fact that the college courses that I am taking helps make me more legit even though I don't need a college degree to prove that.I do believe for this occasion that it is majority vote. Or do we do it college fraternity style and make me do crazy things .


BuffaloHelp

Hummm, and the reason you left this topic open is because...if you are not considered you can publicly say that someone denied it?I thought the promotion was still in "invitation only" phase where from member -> mod and mod --> admin.What would be the reason(s) to be promoted to an admin position? Could you list some of the expectation you are trying to achieve? Are you not satisfied with the current admin system? etc. Since members are not encouraged to request to be a mod, mods are not encouraged to request to be an admin. Thus, this topic is closed to keep this between admins and mods.


Saint_Michael

Well lets start off with the easiest of the reasons, I been here on trap for over 2 years and during that time I have gain the experience of learning the system inside and out. Of course I have learned more in two years then I have since I first started web designing.Of course when it comes down to it, it will look good that I have outside experience and I know what I am doing. Also I could help out in xisto projects and help speed them up and get them online quicker.But as to pertaining to the forums I would be doing the same like I have been doing as a Mod and that is keep the forums running smoothly and help those in need. But with just a few more privileges and what not. Maybe introduce some new idea's to help make everyone stay more enjoyable.I know what it takes to be an admin I have done it for several sites before mostly as a consultant and what the website owner should do to bring a better experience to their forums especially.


Kubi

Now don't take this the wrong way SM, because you are a great guy...but..I remember, on MANY occasion, not just onces, you seemed to have an "emotional" breakdown, if I remember correctly. And "left" Xisto, and resigned your position as a mod. You went inactive for a while, and out of the blue popped up out of know where. I realize this was a tough time for you, but it wasn't the first.Now, tell me why this won't happen again? If something comes up will you just "leave" like you did before?You're really dedicated to Xisto, but if I understand correctly being an admin requires a lot of time donated to administration here on Xisto and other Xisto sites. Will you be able to dedicate enough time work on this? I know you're a big party*er* and all .I know you're a great guy, but I'm wondering if you can really dedicate so much time to Xisto and not get caught up in emotional matters like the first time. And please don't say we can count on you because "if you become an admin you "have" to".


Saint_Michael

Call it a instability, gone through some crazy stuff during most of that time mostly trying to refocus and get back to the world as a slightly normal person. A lot of free time thinking got me into my insanity, plus I drastically cut down my time here on trap as well. So mixing cutting down my time here and doing other stuff I can think with a clear head when I do come on here.


Dooga

Why the sudden action? Maybe he feels too superior and wants to show it


rejected

I'm sorry Mike, but if I had to vote.. I'd say no. I don't believe you're at a level to handle adminship, I don't think you would be doing anything more as an admin than you're doing as a moderator. All you would have is a higher status, and more potential power which could open up a bad situation.


Saint_Michael

@Dooga now what makes you think that I am superior just because of my post count or the way I deal with members then the rest of the staff. If you think that then your judgment is completely biased on those two facts. I never claim that I am any better then anyone else if I did then I would just be lying to everyone. I do believe the one thing that have is the respect from the members who know me outside forum and the posts I make.Just curious why you would think their would be a bad situation of me becoming an admin? Your assuming that their would be a power struggle somewhere? Or that I would have ulterior motives?The only difference between and admin and a mod is the fact that an admin approves hosting accounts and mods don't. Other then that difference mods and admin are the same.However I feel though you basing your judgment on stuff that happen in the last year and half and not in recent months. Most everyone would agree that my posting has been more on the supportive side then anything else and the fact I have literally been posting more in the rest of the forums then in the gfx forum. I did that on purpose and it has made me a better member out it.


truefusion

The only difference between and admin and a mod is the fact that an admin approves hosting accounts and mods don't. Other then that difference mods and admin are the same.

If that's the only difference then why want to be admin? Be it cause you've witnessed that you're around when new hosting applications come out, and there is no admin to approve, so you care to help out? Have new members that have applied been becoming impatient, and you're getting annoyed? ...?

rejected

At your reply to Dooga, you would obviously feel superior if you wanted to be superior, no?

Just curious why you would think their would be a bad situation of me becoming an admin? Your assuming that their would be a power struggle somewhere? Or that I would have ulterior motives?
The only difference between and admin and a mod is the fact that an admin approves hosting accounts and mods don't. Other then that difference mods and admin are the same.

I didn't say there would, I said it could pose a potential occurrence. I'm not assuming anything SM.

The other difference between an admin and a moderator is a higher status.

electriic ink

The only difference between and admin and a mod is the fact that an admin approves hosting accounts and mods don't. Other then that difference mods and admin are the same.

 


I think admins do a bit more than that: thinking of new ideas to improve the forum (ie honorary titles, annex.trap17.com); having to be uber-helpful in all replies; knowing the ins and outs of all the hosting rules, even those which aren't mentioned in the AUP.

 

From what I've seen before, to-be admins get PMed to ask if they want to be admins (or just promoted if they like it or not )

 

Btw, no offence. Anyway, whatever the current admins decide...


jlhaslip

I'll just sharpen my claws before I reply. tongue.gif (j/k)

 

My reply would be something along the lines of :

 

Saint Michael does a pretty decent job as Mod, a super job with entertaining the members in the shoutbox, and it is my impression that he has the respect of the Forum Members.

 

Yes, he has his priorities set as they should be, which means he was absent for a while earlier this year. Whoopdie doo! We should all be allowed the opportunity to get that one right... I know my attendance gets a little light from time to time, too. That is how life works.

 

The difference between a Mod and Admin? Mod's manage and direct the Forum 's day-to-day operations and Admins manage and direct the Mods. SM could do that... given the opportunity.

 

For that matter, I think all the Mods here at the Xisto could do that. That is why we were chosen as Mods in the first place. We have the 'potential' and characteristics to become Admins. And as soon as another Admin is required, one of us might get that opportunity. Until then, and probably after that as well, I am quite happy being the best Mod I can be. I am not perfect. I know that. But the best Boss I have ever had in my various jobs/carrers once told me that as long as you make the best decisions you can, with the information you have at the time, nobody can fault your decisions. Ever notice that it is usualy hindsight which produces the better decisions? That is typically because you have learned something new since the decision was made. Had you known the new information at the time, you might have made a different decision. Rarely do Mods here make poor decisions. A pat on the back to the Team...

 

Status, like Beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. All the status that comes with the Admin title doesn't mean squat next to the additional responsibilities. And there are more responsibilities, for sure. As I mentioned, running the Mod Squad, and as Elec Ink mentioned, massaging the path the Forum is moving in is an important one, too. Kinda like a Marketing Manager; developing new features and assuming the responsibility for their implementation ( and success ). I'm not sure if we got lucky or if BH is as good as it seems, but I think the Admins are doing a fine job at creating a positive environment here. I like the environment better here than at most other Forums I visit. Might be because of the 'comfort zone' and familiarity we have here. Don't know.

 

Well, if the current Admins feel they need assistance performing their duties, I'm sure they will do the right thing. That has been what they have done in the past, so I imagine they'll carry on doing it in the future. I wish them all the success in the world. All I ask is that they leave a coat-tail hanging out so we can follow them along on the ride. Thanks for all their efforts.


Saint_Michael

If that's the only difference then why want to be admin? Be it cause you've witnessed that you're around when new hosting applications come out, and there is no admin to approve, so you care to help out? Have new members that have applied been becoming impatient, and you're getting annoyed? ...?

 


To answer your first question I been helping the admins out on and off for awhile with the applications, I go through hte ones that have been posted and if they look good I leave them alone and let the admin review them and then those that need to be work on for whatever reason I make the post about the denying their hosting and then list the reasons why they have been denied. many other mods have done it besides thus we cut down on the workload for the admins to on the forum themselves.

 

Now to answer your second question no I haven't been annoyed, If I have been annoyed the shoutbox would be a lot quieter then it is now. Now I think your referring to the fact that why the cpanel went through it's updates and the minor problems couple months back that their were shouts every 5 seconds why hosting hasn't been approve for them yet. I just let the people who are waiting know what I know and point them to where to find out the updates that are going on with the hosting. I made use of the announcement post during that time effectively and pointed people there.

 

 

At your reply to Dooga, you would obviously feel superior if you wanted to be superior, no?

I didn't say there would, I said it could pose a potential occurrence. I'm not assuming anything SM.

 

The other difference between an admin and a moderator is a higher status.

 


I know most of the posts here are referring to my actions of the past and of course I have to defend those to the best of my ability in which I have. Yeah I could BS my way through this and give the "right" answers to make it sound like I know what I am doing. I don't think anyone can argue that they knew what to do as a mod right when they got, I sure had a lot of questions and those who had questions that asked me I answered them to what I know and do here. So as an admin I would have to go through the same process again with setting up hosting accounts and what not. I would have at least 100 questions on what to do when setting up a hosting account.

 

I think admins do a bit more than that: thinking of new ideas to improve the forum (ie honorary titles, annex.trap17.com); having to be uber-helpful in all replies; knowing the ins and outs of all the hosting rules, even those which aren't mentioned in the AUP.

 

From what I've seen before, to-be admins get PMed to ask if they want to be admins (or just promoted if they like it or not )

 

Btw, no offence. Anyway, whatever the current admins decide...

 


Now don't misconstrue my post that admins don't do anything for the forums, I know they do I have had many conversations with OpaQue about the xisto network and the loads of work he puts into it. I had offer my services to him many times to help out on his work load. Of course nothing happen but thats a trust issue between OpaQue and I. Most people don't know about the small background work I do and show to OpaQue from time to time, mostly statistical stuff and some website stuff he is working on and see what I think about it and what not. It is true that mods and admin that are on here and asta how done stuff beyond what some people would expect. That all fine and dandy and kudos to them, why fix something that isn't broken?

 

However as pertaining to replying to posts, last few months I literally been a ghost in the graphics forum, I would say that between the last 300-400 posts most have of them have on the supportive side. Now you could say I would be brown nosing, I would admit that a very small portion of that equation is true. If that were the case my posts would be like Xisto type posts, very descriptive going into a lot of detail. However the members here on trap their computer skills are all over the place. So I base my posts on what I know and then anything I don't know I look it up and give a small explanation of what I find out and then redirect them to more info about any possible questions they might have.

 

 

Although I am a bit surprised that no one has as me if I where an admin would I give anyone special favors because of who I am and what I do.


Kubi

The fact you mentions special treatment, is wierd. NO one here would think you'd give special treatment. Do you think you'd give special treatment to members? I mean, if someone asks you for something you'll help them out anyways. What kind of special treatment are we talking about? Giving away credits? Giving away extra hosting space? I'd hope not..Even if something happened in the past, that doesn't mean it doesn't reflect who you are.If I were to hurt someone, a year later, they'd probably still hate me. What happens in the past, doesn't always stay in the past.Why do you feel you need to be an admin? I think BH has got a good handle on hosting applications, what would be different? You'd moderate posts, accept a few applications, and support the forum. Same thing you do everyday right?(Minus the hosting part).


Dooga

Calm down I was just kidding about the superior thing...


Saint_Michael

@Dooga Im not angry about what you said just curious as to why you said it.@Kubi that's why I am surprise no one ask that question if I were an admin would I do that, I know a couple of people are thinking about asking the question, so that's why I toss it out there.Again why I should be an admin, I believe I have the skills necessary to help when it is needed, yeah I can do that as mod but when it comes to admin level questions all I can say is wait for an admin to come on or pm an admin and they get back to you. I would rather help them right away because who knows how it could affect their account or their hosting. So If I can give them the answer right away then any problems they might have can be corrected just as quickly.Now don't take that in the wrong way, Buff and OpaQue and Tech support are great in responding as quickly as they can, so what would be wrong with another person to help out?


OpaQue

Trap17 Forums have increased in size by leaps in the last few months and the bigger it grows, more responsibility is put on the shoulders of the staff members.I feel everyone here is doing great. Looking at the past arguments and the performance of previous admins (nilsc, wassie, Spectre and many more...), I had decided that the admin dept. will be managed by 2 people at a time.Currently, I feel BuffaloHelp is doing a GREAT job and this community owes lots of credits to him :-) SM approached me and gave me a hint of another admin and I was just a bit excited about everything. Anyway, I guess, changing the management rules and decisions set previously will not be a nice thing to do now.I leave this entire decision to BH. Its not that I m dumping my vote on his decision, but I personally feel, I am more of an admin for the heck of managing the technical part of Xisto. The main community is no doubt lead by BH and he has more knowledge and understanding of the working of this forum than me.No matter what is the outcome of this discussion, I hope, We all still remain as a family and have no queries or qualms for this community. Sorry if I have hurt anyone by my actions in the past.Sincerely,Shree


vujsa

This is why we don't usually do requests like this. Generally speaking when a situation like this one arrises, feelings are shared that would otherwise be left unsaid. Maybe it isn't even about you when people consider your request. Maybe they are thinking of someone else that they would prefer to be considered so they speak out to better promote their pick.My point being that when you request something then you place the person that has to make the decision in an akward position. This is rarely something that you can just say "no" to if you deny the request since the person will want to know why. And you'll want to give a reason which will satisfy their need to know but won't send them packing. Of course this is even more difficult when it is all public like this has become. Now BH has the pressure of the rest of the staffs opinions and his consideration of your feelngs. The entire staff will now know that you asked and either got denied or accepted. Do you lose face in front of all of the staff of did you backmail your way in? Did you take the place of someone more deserving or will you have to be promoted so the first choice can be promoted as well. Do you get upset if you are denied and next week JoeUser get the promotion instead? My point is that because you asked and asked in a public way, there is bound to be some feelings hurt and akwardness in the staff if your request for Admin is denied. And since your request hasn't been accepted in the last 4 days, I'm guessing it won't be. BuffaloHELP and I haven't discussed it since I'm not active here but I think if it were meant to be, it would have already happened. I hope that what ever happens with your request, that you continue to remain active as a staff member and forum member here at Xisto. This is true for the entire Xisto staff. You guys have a great thing going over here and it is because of the staff. Don't let a little critisism ruin it for everyone here. [/hr]Now to shed a little light on the differences between Admins and Mods.You know how sometimes when you have a problem with a member or something on the forum and you don't know what to do about it, what do you do? That's right, you send a PM to an Admin! You all know that right. What you don't know is that some people skip Mods altogether! Admins get PM's about everything. Hosting features, hosting problems, credit questions, server settings, server problems, permission for this or that, and complaints about the staff and forum. That doesn't even include the PM's you get for denying a hosting application. Have any idea how hard it is to be nice when you explain to a spammer why he won't get hosting?Admins also have to decide who gets promoted to what positions and who gets demoted when the time comes. Kind of sad when you have to demote a faithful member because they simply aren't around enough to be a moderator anymore. I know at Xisto my posts used to be mostly about programming but now are all about the forum and hosting. I set a certain amount of time to be on the forum each day and that time is usually used up by management issues. It is a little easier now since I promoted a bunch of new moderators there but it is still a lot of work.You guys really should send thank you cards to BH each week for doing such a good job here.14285


Saint_Michael

I guess the decision is made then.


BuffaloHelp

You were waiting for my decision but you closed the topic even before I got to it?First of all, PMing me suggesting that I let other people to decide for me was totally uncalled for. Let's make this clear--YOU were the one who made this topic public instead of discussing with me first. It's not that "I" have a problem "YOU" going behind my back (you are closer to OpaQue than I, perhaps, and known OpaQue longer than I have), I wanted to see how you are able to handle the pressure from public scrutiny.Since we're being so honest here, accusing and deciding another person's mind, I don't think you have what it takes to be an admin just yet. Notice I said 'just yet'. Saint_Michael, your emotions are still too raw. It's great that raw emotion gives you the passion and fire for your life but the same raw emotion makes you unstable.What's so unstable? Do you recall, out of the blue, you announcing to the forum that GFX section is to be closed and topics all transferred out because you felt no one was participating? Instead of trying diligently working at the project you instantly decided to shut the forum section down using only your observation. Sure it was bad, and perhaps it's still bad, but once you start a project finish it. Don't let it dwindle away. If you're not going to finish it, then don't start the project in the first place. This Xisto is not the place to execute prototype plans. Everything must be meaningful. If you think GFX section is not working out, perhaps you have not carefully thought it through when you requested for GFX forum section to Johnny.We all have lives and I certainly understand that Xisto isn't everything. I would actually wonder if anyone spent so much time here--the outside world isn't looking too good? So I do understand if you wanted to get away for a while. Call it a sabbatical. But when you left you did not let any other mods or admins know the access information to GFXTrap.com. To me, that is completely irresponsible. OpaQue got the name registered and set up the hosting and domain for you and you just took off without even letting anyone here know the access information to GFXTrap? I mean for that long month of GFXTrap defaced...man it still boils me from within. You are quick to emotion and shoot from your hip. This is an excellent trait if you can manage it to your advantage. And since you wanted a definite answer, as your PM suggested, the answer is "no." This is not because everyone has said so, but because post hoc ergo propter hoc--you assumed no from me because you knew about your past. Otherwise you would have stood steadfast with this request.



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