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Lyon2

Plenoptic, that's the future, biometrics, fingerprinting, and more, with the use of the high technology, and you know that technology is allways developing, updating all he time for all and any reasons.The most "big" enterprises already use that technique, and it is very simple, imagine you was working with the well known program named "Microsoft Access", now, when you create a table, and when you go enter new fields, you have allways, in a database, in all tables, insert the field for the "primary key" which has values that can not repeat, they must not repeat, for example, fingerprints (it is a primary key because there are not 2 different fingerprints in the world, and it will never be, well, except if you manipulate genetics, but there is another field of research, and a very important one!), social security numbers, ID numbers, etc..., they all need to be unique for each line of the table of the database.So, they arranged a way to insert those unique fingerprints in the informatics payments method into those machines that require you finger (fingerprint) for you to pay.I could explain you better, but i don't have time, this is a highly complex but interesting area.


Absolute

I saw this on the news the other day and they were talking about stores that take your fingerprint instead of using credit cards. There are a couple thousand stores I think there are that do this. Instead of swiping your credit card you leave your finger print and the computer searches your finger print in the system to match it up with the person.
I think there are a couple flaws in the system though. People will go around cutting people's fingers off to go to an ATM and steal all their money. I think that there should be a PIN number for each card to help keep this from occurring. But there are also people around the world with no hands. Then what are they gonna do?

What do you all think of this idea?



I agree. There are going to be alot of people missing fingers soon lol! Im sure there is a way to lift the print as well and create a fake print using some sort of dummie material. The PIN number is a good idea at least you can keep your thumb lol. Some of the places i work require your entire hand and a pin number. Its good security but i wonder how easy it really is to fake it.

Plenoptic

Plenoptic, that's the future, biometrics, fingerprinting, and more, with the use of the high technology, and you know that technology is allways developing, updating all he time for all and any reasons.
The most "big" enterprises already use that technique, and it is very simple, imagine you was working with the well known program named "Microsoft Access", now, when you create a table, and when you go enter new fields, you have allways, in a database, in all tables, insert the field for the "primary key" which has values that can not repeat, they must not repeat, for example, fingerprints (it is a primary key because there are not 2 different fingerprints in the world, and it will never be, well, except if you manipulate genetics, but there is another field of research, and a very important one!), social security numbers, ID numbers, etc..., they all need to be unique for each line of the table of the database.

So, they arranged a way to insert those unique fingerprints in the informatics payments method into those machines that require you finger (fingerprint) for you to pay.

I could explain you better, but i don't have time, this is a highly complex but interesting area.


lol I know this already and that is why I brought it up because it is cool. I get why they use it and how it works I just wanted to bring it up for others to read and share their thoughts. It may seem secure but it really isn't that simple. Yes they are using it but the bigger it gets the more missing fingers you might find. Someone will find a way to hack the system unless something else is done.

kawasu

fibnger prints eh, last i heard they actually upgraded to blood vessels. that it, they scan the veins and bloodflow inside your fingers as each persons is unique. this stops the whole finger print copying schemes and should also stop the idea of cutting epoples fingers off as they have to have blood running through, i'm not sure it thats a fact, but i do know they they scan the vein structure of the finger. its still in testing i think so it wont be around for a while.


arcalypse

Well I agree people without hands would have other methods probably, but still, those ATM's could get dirtier if they used a method like toe prints or something like that. I mean that is the only other alternative that I see so...


Johnny

Oh, here's another issue...what if someone with a disease like AIDS or even something like SARS or Anthrax decides to be a *BLEEP* and leave some blood (or substance) on or around the scanner? very not cool.


Plenoptic

Oh, here's another issue...what if someone with a disease like AIDS or even something like SARS or Anthrax decides to be a *BLEEP* and leave some blood (or substance) on or around the scanner? very not cool.

 


Wow that really wouldn't be good. I really think we should post this topic to the people who made this system and are using it in places in the US and I guess Japan but you know if you think about it it is a finger print but it would occur the same way anyway with a credit card there or taking bags out into their cart. I don't think people cut their fingers on the scanner anyway.

 

After doing some more research you can view a demo and what not at http://ww1.paybytouch.com/ In fact they are doing this in a store about 20 minutes away from me and I might have to go check it out. I guess you have to enter a Search Number and then you choose what type of payment you would like to use but this system doesn't charge any fees like the credit card company.

 

it's not a fingerprint

The Pay By Touch service does not use actual fingerprints, but instead takes tiny measurements from your finger which are unique to you. These measurements are converted into a mathematical equation, encrypted and securely stored.

 

it's private

No one, not even the cashier, can see what you use to pay so check-out with confidence, knowing your payment method is discreet. Neither the merchant nor Pay By Touch will sell your personal information to others for their marketing purposes, ever.

 

After a quick one-time sign up, you can use the Pay By Touch service at any participating merchant!


Like it says I guess it doesn't even use a finger print but measurement.s

cgrim29588

LoL you can definitely steal finger credit cards. All you need is a knife!
And IMHO, that would be such a bad idea to come out with that as a replacement for credit cards. At least with credit cards, if it's stolen, you can call in and have it deactivated, then call and get another. If your finger is stolen, you're pretty much screwed.



Very funny about the knife, but it is tru all someone has to do is cut off you finger. You are also right about when you credit card is stolen you can just call it in a get it deactivated and get a new one you wouldn't be able to do that with a finger.

uiop

Oh, here's another issue...what if someone with a disease like AIDS or even something like SARS or Anthrax decides to be a *BLEEP* and leave some blood (or substance) on or around the scanner? very not cool.

The same thing could happen anywhere, anyplace, anytime. You just have to be carefull in public places.

fdpvip

this reminds me of in back to the future 2!speaking of fingerprints, i've also seen the fingerprint-protected hard drives. not exactly sure how they work, but the idea is REALLY cool


uiop

this reminds me of in back to the future 2!
speaking of fingerprints, i've also seen the fingerprint-protected hard drives. not exactly sure how they work, but the idea is REALLY cool

I belive that these hard drives use some sort of "on-the-fly" encryption to decrypt data as it is requested by the computer when the proper fingerprint in presented. The fingerprint is likely stored in some sort of EPROM chip or the like.

Do you, by any chance, have a link to a retail page for these hard drives?

Back on topic, I'd only support the fingerprint-credit-card idea if the data about what you bought was kept for only a couple months and specificly off-limits to the government.

master_bacarra

what if the information got mixed up and later you realized that someone has just charged everything into your account? these stuff should be fool-proof and 100% safe that nobody's going to use your identity for their own greedy needs.


grimmy

no way fingerprint that will never catch on peaple can esey copy ur fingerprint and BANG you have no money so Credit Card is best for now


fdpvip

I belive that these hard drives use some sort of "on-the-fly" encryption to decrypt data as it is requested by the computer when the proper fingerprint in presented. The fingerprint is likely stored in some sort of EPROM chip or the like.
Do you, by any chance, have a link to a retail page for these hard drives?

Back on topic, I'd only support the fingerprint-credit-card idea if the data about what you bought was kept for only a couple months and specificly off-limits to the government.


The link for a fingerprint hard drive (just did a google search) is here: http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/. It's made by LaCie industries and is $200. This one seems to be the leading competitor, because a couple of links on google also sold this one.

Sprnknwn

Don?t know about fingerprints but I have seen that there are some pubs here in Spain (so I suppose that there must be lots of them in other countries) that insert you a microchip under the skin in the back or in the shoulder maybe, not sure. And you pay that way. I think people is stupid to have a chip implanted that is only used to pay drinks in a disco. And what if the next month the butchery starts using a different microchip, and so does the hairdresser... you?ll end filled with useless microchips in every part of your body. Ridiculous.


Plenoptic

no way fingerprint that will never catch on peaple can esey copy ur fingerprint and BANG you have no money so Credit Card is best for now


Thousands of people already use it, maybe millions. They just started doing it in my area there is one store about a 20 minute drive. I might go check it out. It is used in many places around the U.S and more opening every week. I don't think many people recognize that it would be easy for people to steal something but you know I think they do have a PIN number of some sort or something to keep people from using your fingerprints.


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