My Idea For A Form Of Government Eleutherionism

[Above The Rest 0]

I'd like to see the proof behind your statements before I go on to correct it first, since you bring it up so much.

 

Also, now thinking about it, why is socialism a type government at all? It's based on Marxism, the ideas of Karl Marx, which really were that no government is the system, the people rule themselves.

 

Next:

 

Imagine a world where Saudis rammed jets into towers where Afghanis were blamed... I highly recommend a class called AP U.S. History, interesting stuff you learn. For example, America has a bit of history when it comes in and "liberates" other countries, for example, Cuba, or the Philippines, and just happens to stay there for a couple of decades. Americans seem to not know their own history and are puzzled about why foreign countries are not excited about America "helping." Many teachers don't like to go over the history of American imperialism, so if that's the case with yours, then I recommend you read a book called Lies My History Teacher Taught Me, really good stuff in there (not sure if name is perfect, but close enough).

Being based off of something doesn't make it the same thing.

 

Marijuana vs Tobacco: http://www.healthcentral.com/

 

What does this 9/11 bullcrap have to do with this thread? Nothing, so leave it at the doorstep. I know plenty about American imperialism, but I don't recall being a part of any colonizing or takeovers, so other countries need to stop blaming past America's mistakes on current America. Obviously we shouldn't be in Iraq, and I'm sure you'd agree, but Mermaid711 seemed to disagree, so I was pointing out to him that Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 (and Saddam may have been mean, but we were alittle bit late on invading on the major things he did, such as gassing the Kurds. Funny how that works heh?).

[Mermaid711 0]

1. I'm not your child, don't call me son.

Don't take it personally, I call everyone son.

 

2. I said it's based off of socialism, not that it IS socialism. As in "I was kinda thinking of socialism at the time that I came up with this idea"

 

Weather or not, socialism, weather it is total comunism or just the ideas of hillary clinton, is socialism *cough* a bad idea *cough*

 

3. You don't seem to understand how the job system, the tax system, or the government provisions system works in this concept.

Yes, but in THIS concept, which might I add is only a FANTASY and not REALLITY. The fact of the matter is that you need money to buy things in this world. And you have to have money in order to import needed things from other countries, there's no getting around the need for money, so don't pull out the liberal "Oh everything is free" card.

 

4. You have no idea what you're talking about in terms of Marijuana. No, I'm not a pothead.

 

I never said you were, bud. Sure I might have hinted it, but that's not what I said. . .

 

And yes I know perfectlly well the difference between mary jane and cigarrettes. . . either way you look at it, they are both bad and should be made illegal. And dont even start with medicinal marijuana, that stuff is a load of bull crap.

 

5. "Illegal drugs" are illegal doesn't make sense. You think I'm going to adopt the corrupt, US war on drugs system?

It may not make sense to you, but it does to the majority of us. . . And well, it seems to be better than your system. Drugs are bad, they tear families apart, they ruin brilliant minds, and how exactly are you going to do when you have a bunch of crackheads and coke addicts running around, hmmmm?

 

6. Humans in general don't always make the best choices. The difference between 16 to 18 year olds is negligible. And it's the persons choice, not yours, if they want to take the chance at stunting their growth.

 

Then that person deserves to be slapped in the face. Sure it's not MY choice, yes there will be disobedience, but I believe that it is in the best intrest of the children that the drinking age isn't that low. . . or at least we should have some kind of alcohol awearness program. . . Eitherways, it's just not the world's best idea. . . but I have seen worse. . . everybody has to start somewhere. . .

 

7. Then you don't ally yourself with that country any longer.

Yes, but it's not what or who the allie(s) [it is spelled allie not ally, that's a girls name] are, but what they know. know the country before you have open alliencing.

 

8. To suggest that our invasion of Iraq was in any way a good idea is literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Iraq didn't attack the twin towers, Osama Bin Laden != Saddam Hussein.

 

No, it is not the dumbest thing you ever heard, but you want to know something? What you just said is the dumbest thing I ever heard. My own FATHER was in the military, he even went to Iraq, and let me tell you, it's not as bad as those liberal maniacs on CNN like to make it look. And who was in control of Iraq before we intervined? OH YEAH! Saddam Hussein! And you know who took him out of power? WE DID! He killed millions of innocent people and now he is six feet under, and we are being thanked by many Iraqis. They actually like us, they love americans, they look up to us.

 

Get your facts streight, liberal boy.

 

9. I'd like you to come up with a situation where following the laws in another country would break laws in America.

The middle east. Go there, it's easy to break American laws.

 

Just wondering, are you a Republican?

Why, yes I am, but I am only thirteen. I'm not like the liberals, I have my head on straight, and I think for my self, taxes are bad, SCREW HILLARY CLINTON! and oh yeah, YAY FOR CAPITAL PUNISHMENT!

 

But because I don't agree with you politically, and nor do you with I, doesn't make me any less smart then you. Nor, are you any less smart then I, we just have conflicting beliefs

[Above The Rest 0]

Don't take it personally, I call everyone son.
Weather or not, socialism, weather it is total comunism or just the ideas of hillary clinton, is socialism *cough* a bad idea *cough*



Yes, but in THIS concept, which might I add is only a FANTASY and not REALLITY. The fact of the matter is that you need money to buy things in this world. And you have to have money in order to import needed things from other countries, there's no getting around the need for money, so don't pull out the liberal "Oh everything is free" card.

I never said you were, bud. Sure I might have hinted it, but that's not what I said. . .

And yes I know perfectlly well the difference between mary jane and cigarrettes. . . either way you look at it, they are both bad and should be made illegal. And dont even start with medicinal marijuana, that stuff is a load of bull crap.



It may not make sense to you, but it does to the majority of us. . . And well, it seems to be better than your system. Drugs are bad, they tear families apart, they ruin brilliant minds, and how exactly are you going to do when you have a bunch of crackheads and coke addicts running around, hmmmm?

Then that person deserves to be slapped in the face. Sure it's not MY choice, yes there will be disobedience, but I believe that it is in the best intrest of the children that the drinking age isn't that low. . . or at least we should have some kind of alcohol awearness program. . . Eitherways, it's just not the world's best idea. . . but I have seen worse. . . everybody has to start somewhere. . .



Yes, but it's not what or who the allie(s) [it is spelled allie not ally, that's a girls name] are, but what they know. know the country before you have open alliencing.

No, it is not the dumbest thing you ever heard, but you want to know something? What you just said is the dumbest thing I ever heard. My own FATHER was in the military, he even went to Iraq, and let me tell you, it's not as bad as those liberal maniacs on CNN like to make it look. And who was in control of Iraq before we intervined? OH YEAH! Saddam Hussein! And you know who took him out of power? WE DID! He killed millions of innocent people and now he is six feet under, and we are being thanked by many Iraqis. They actually like us, they love americans, they look up to us.

Get your facts streight, liberal boy.



The middle east. Go there, it's easy to break American laws.



Why, yes I am, but I am only thirteen. I'm not like the liberals, I have my head on straight, and I think for my self, taxes are bad, SCREW HILLARY CLINTON! and oh yeah, YAY FOR CAPITAL PUNISHMENT!

But because I don't agree with you politically, and nor do you with I, doesn't make me any less smart then you. Nor, are you any less smart then I, we just have conflicting beliefs

You don't know anything about Marijuana, or else you wouldn't say that.

I agree, Hillary Clinton is terrible.

The middle east is a very vague term to use. There are plenty of perfectly fine middle eastern country (not necessarily American-ized, but fine in their own right)

Political affiliation doesn't have anything to do with having your head on straight.

The correct spelling is ally, the plural being allies (look it up if you'd like).

Don't call me boy, you little punk.

Yeah Saddam was bad in all, but the Iraqis certainly don't love America (don't care what your dad tells you).

[verdant 0]

you know, that sounds a bit like inda, with the warrior, merchant, and layman classes. i dont actualy know much about the subject, but i think the government would work a lot better if it wer'nt such a high position, not to say that anyone could just join it, but its too... too much of a popularity and money grabing ordeal, if the government really had our best intrests at heart it seems to me that they should have less concern for themselves.i dont know if this is really relevant but, i think we should get rid of money. go back to trade... its funny really, cause if we did that what would politicians have to trade? their typicly too old to work and too high minded to do labor or service...

[KansukeKojima 0]

I agree with many of the socialist ideas here... communism failed but its because many of the leaders were corrupt a-holes... If all of our leaders were good people and would not screw us over I'm pretty sure that a semi socialist semi democratic government would work.But there is the problem of one group of people wanting one thing that is opposed to another group of people. The government has to deal with both needs and so the government becomes a great rope in a match of tug-of-war.Of course the government will swing in the direction that best suits what will benefit either them personally or the most people in their nation, so many people still end up unhappy...In short... no matter what government we have we will end up unhappy. We will complain and shows like "The Daily Show", "Rick Mercer Report", etc. spring up to poke fun at the human races failings to create a government that actually makes everyone happy. (Don't get me wrong, those shows are mighty funny). In all honesty, were screwed from birth so the best thing to do is bend over and take it up the tail pipe, because lets face it, we won't get what we want.

Edited November 15, 2007 by KansukeKojima (see edit history)

[Mermaid711 0]

You don't know anything about Marijuana, or else you wouldn't say that.

Uhhh, excuse me, but I am perfectly capable of know what marijuana does. Medicinal marijuana is complete bull crap and you know it. That stuff ruins your grey matter (and since you probably don't know what that means, it means your brain) so it is infact, bad. The benifits of it, and I will be the first to say that there are benefits, do not make up for what is lost, few things are as grand and irriplacable as a human mind.

I agree, Hillary Clinton is terrible.

Yes, but you know what else? Hillary Clinton is handing Barack Obama's *bottom* to him. That guy wants to go and have tea with people who wish death upon us all. So why is a form of government from someone who wants to have Barack Obama as a president a good idea? Exactly. . .

The middle east is a very vague term to use. There are plenty of perfectly fine middle eastern country (not necessarily American-ized, but fine in their own right)

I agree. We do have allies over there.

Political affiliation doesn't have anything to do with having your head on straight.

No it doesn't, but people who DO have their head on straight are Republicans

Don't call me boy, you little punk.

Do unto in all you do, as you'd do unto you. If you call me a little punk, I will have no respect for you. If you can behave like the adult you think you are, than I will be happy to respect you.

Also, calling me a little punk only furthers your immaturity and ignorance and therefore gives me another reason to call you boy

Do you need some Bengay for that pain?

Yeah Saddam was bad in all, but the Iraqis certainly don't love America (don't care what your dad tells you).

The reason why that statement is so ignorant is because I have sources who have been there, done that, and they know more than you. Oh yeah, they also know more than you CNN does, seeing as how that channle is nothing but propaganda.

The Iraqis want us over there, and qquite frankly, if you don't know what you're talking about, just try not to say anything at all. Everyone here would appreciate it.

Oh, and one more thing. The Iraqis that you see on TV, on the internet, or in the newspaper/magazine are just the bad half, we're actually making AWSOME headway over there. For about every one to two guys of ours that we lose, they (the BAD Iraqis, not the good ones) actually lose anywhere between ten and twenty. The people at CNN or [enter your liberal *bottom* tv/radio station her] don't say anything about what is going good in Iraq for two reasons:

1.) They want to make the president look stupid

and

2.) Bad news sells. I mean, would you be more likely to buy a newspaper that says "Town struck oil recently- economics look great!" or one that says "A bus full of children killed sunday on their way back from the zoo"? Unless you are a major in accounting and economics, you are either going to pick both up or going to pick up the one about the buss full of children.

BURN!
Edited November 16, 2007 by Mermaid711 (see edit history)

[Above The Rest 0]

I'm not going to argue about irrelevant stuff. If you want to talk about my form of government idea (without insults, flaming, or unsourced statements told as fact) then I'd be glad to discuss it, but this has nothing to do with it.Just for the record, I don't watch CNN, and you don't know anything about my knowledge of what's going on in Iraq. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.

Edited November 16, 2007 by Above The Rest (see edit history)

[8bit 0]

Drugs are already illegal lol. Plus outlawing normal smoking would mean there would be a big black market.

[Above The Rest 0]

Drugs are already illegal lol. Plus outlawing normal smoking would mean there would be a big black market.

Good luck importing or growing tobacco in a Eleutherion country....

[Mermaid711 0]

No it's not a weak argument. If someone is dumb enough to drive after doing anything that may (or may not) impair their judgment, or operate heavy machinery, or wield a weapon, then I wouldn't blame that on the substance.

Ummm sense makes none. Imparing someone's judgment would disable them to make smart decisions. Or, here, let me put that in terms you can understand. It makes them stupid and makes them make stupid choices.

Furthermore, no I am not a pot smoker.

Suuuuuuuure you're not. . .

I've never smoked anything nor drunk any alcohol in my life. Characterizing me as such because of the opinions I hold is absurd.

No, the views you have are absurd. It's kind of obvious when you say "Pot isn't bad but ole granny's tabbacy is!" that you smoke or have seriously considered it. . . but then again this is the internet so we don't really know. . .

It's an concept that I came up with the other day. Obviously it's got kinks and it's very rough around the edges, but give me a break, it's still a concept. It has major work to be done, and that'll be accomplished whenever I have time. I'd like to write up a paper on it at some point, but I'd definitely like all of your input to go into this concept. I'd like to know what you all think will work and what won't.

It has kinks out the wazzoo. If it has major work to be done on it, then why put it for people to hand your *bottom* to you? Well, I think we all stressed to you the whole "what will work and what won't work" concept, but you're being stubourn after you said you will be open to our ideas.

And as for the whole "Pot has yet to be accounted for any deaths and Tabbaco is wayyyyyyyy worse thing": What in the hell are you smoking? I WANT SOME!

Furthermore, recent studies have shown that Marijuana doesn't carry anywhere near the negative effects that tobacco does. Obviously any sort of smoke will cause lung damage, but that is the users choice. Feel free to correct me (with proof of course) if I am incorrect in my statements.

Tabacco is a long term killer, yes. But I know of people who have died within 15 minutes of smoking blunts. The fact of the matter is that this is an asinine concept to say pot isn't bad but tabacco is.

And for the whole it doesn't have anywhere near the bad effects of tabacco: you must smoke pot because that is infact, asinine. The fact of the matter is that this is a recent study by YOUNG scientists and the study has yet to be refined.

I was actually thinking about outlawing alcohol, but I'm not sure how free a country would be if it were outlawed, and the maturity difference between 16-18 seems to be negligible in most of the people I've ever known.

Of the people you know, yes, but of the vast majority of people no. You don't know what you're talking about in the grand scheme of things.

And anwiii, I've been reading your posts as well, you seem to be the one talking about things you have no knowledge about.

Oh yeah buddy. That's reeeaaaaal mature. You seem to be giving people a reason to say those things because YOU have NO IDEA what YOU are talking about.

Like I said, this is just a concept. I'd love for all of you to make changes and corrections and to post them in this thread. Personal attacks on my level of knowledge are useless and annoying. Instead of saying "Oh, you're dumb, you know nothing!" try saying "Recent studies have shown that marijuana usage can cause severe damage to the liver, etc." instead of insulting my intelligence. It's much easier to take you seriously when you back up your points, and you present them like a rational human being.

Well, if you'd just stop giving us a reason to call you asinine or dumb, then wed, infact, stop calling you those things! Sheesh it's common sense!

And just for the record, after the pot thing, it's been really hard to take you seriously.

You reap what you sow.