tractor 0 Report post Posted August 28, 2007 These are both newer games.Ship simulator is the first commercial release for a dutch company called VSTEP.It costs about $40 American dollars.It has many boats and systems. The waves are realistic with a realistic ship movement.There are still many things to improve the game but it is just starting.There official site is at http://www.shipsim.com/Rigs Of Rods - This is a free open source game. The first game with a physics engine that works well.The physics are described here: http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/The main way it works if you don't watch that video is that if too much pressure is on a rod it will deform.The trucks in the game are made of hundreds of rods.Site: http://rigsofrods.blogspot.de/I hope you can check out these games.Regards,Agent Share this post Link to post Share on other sites