Atheist Are So God Forsaken Smug im totally serious

[Misanthrope 0]

You can call it what you like: faith, dogma, belief, worship.....the list goes on. But since ancient times, empires and great leaders have risen to power based on an "allegiance" to a particular god with the belief that power(s) aided in their rise to fortune. And the powerful continue charting the world's path with firm belief in powers unseen and/or unknown to the profane. The need to align ourselves with the supernatural is an integral part of mankind's genetic makeup, and it's not going anywhere anytime soon. "There are no atheists in the foxhole," said a very wise man. Indeed, something I've often noticed with atheists I've come across is not so much an outright denial of the existence of God, per se, as a refusal to buy into what they feel is a system of corruption and ignorance based on "mere" faith. As much as the Atheist would like to bemoan the abuses carried out in the name of religion, these crimes pale in comparison to the evils spawned by Marxist-Atheist Communism, whose recent tyrannical exploits are responsible for the death some 140 million people (this may be a conservative estimate), and whose history of human enslavement continues unchecked by our "caring" United Nations and globalist elite. My money says that when the Atheist finds himself in that proverbial foxhole, even he breaks down and reaches out to his maker.

[velma 6]

Hello mr ? impressive,I have no idea about what kind of people are you talking to that they treat you like rubbish because you follow a religion, I dont know about others but I personally do not do that to religious people.Just because Iam an atheist does not mean that I cant respect other people who follow them,I was greatly discouraged by my family for telling them that I was an atheist.I dont understand though you are thinking about yourself but what about atheist who are treated like they are beggars for not following GOD. First we speak of being open minded and tolerant and then fight over one's privacy for it is your choice alone on who to follow.And choice comes under the category of "Privacy"I did not mean to hurt anybody nor their beliefs Cheers,

[BooZker 0]

and it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

You are kidding right? Religion is fading away as we speak. Do you remember that 200 years ago about 95% of people believed in a religion. Do you know what its at now?
In 1990 8% of people did not follow an organized religion. Less then ten years later its at 14.1%. Oh yah, its sure not going anywhere. Less then ten years it goes up that much and you say no where?

whose recent tyrannical exploits are responsible for the death some 140 million people

Are you saying that a form of Atheism people did that? And oh my god look how many? Christians alone has killed way more then that. and even worse "in the name of god" they have done that. Don't go off ranting about how many Atheists have killed when everyone knows Christians have killed more then Atheist ever will.

[truefusion 3]

Are you saying that a form of Atheism people did that? And oh my god look how many? Christians alone has killed way more then that. and even worse "in the name of god" they have done that. Don't go off ranting about how many Atheists have killed when everyone knows Christians have killed more then Atheist ever will.

Where do you get your information? Surely you can provide us with some proof by how sure you are in your post. Here's a good place to start reading. And, yes, atheists committed such killings mentioned by Misanthrope; however, that is just one group; Misanthrope excluded the others, which are a high number like that one as well.

[glenstein 0]

You are kidding right? Religion is fading away as we speak. Do you remember that 200 years ago about 95% of people believed in a religion. Do you know what its at now?
In 1990 8% of people did not follow an organized religion. Less then ten years later its at 14.1%. Oh yah, its sure not going anywhere. Less then ten years it goes up that much and you say no where?
Are you saying that a form of Atheism people did that? And oh my god look how many? Christians alone has killed way more then that. and even worse "in the name of god" they have done that. Don't go off ranting about how many Atheists have killed when everyone knows Christians have killed more then Atheist ever will.

Well, the latest Newsweek poll I heard of stated that only 3% of Americans are positively atheist. The rest are said to at least believe something religious. Even though that number seems low, I think it's going a bit too far to say religion is "dying out" today, even if we are presently doubting and criticizing it more than ever.

[CinnamorollTK 0]

Some people are either waiting for the atheists to prove God doesn't exist, or a form of Christian to do the other. I wonder how the world will react when the rapture happens? (Assuming it happens how most people believe, people will randomly dissapear. Buses will be without drivers and planes will crash without their pilots.)Some people follow mixed religious beliefs from different religions.

[glenstein 0]

The Marxism citation I've been reading about, and atheists supposedly killing many people, is a really deeply misguided and devious point. I had some disorganized thoughts that I reordered into bullet points..

 

- Being that atheism has nothing to it, besides its position on the existence of god, it is only by a phony overstretch that you can say any wide spread deaths are the cause of it, unless you can point to some major institution which claimed itself, before anything else, to be foremostly atheist, following the cause of atheism before anything else. No such significant and historical institution that I'm aware of actually exists (whilst there definitely have been such religious institutions), and moreover, there certainly wasn't any such institution that both existed and was capable of causing death on such a massive scale as has happened in the major wars in history with which everyone is familiar.

 

- Marxism (which Misanthrope mentioned), as everyone should be aware, was concerned with economics and politics, and it is with those concerns that one should associate the consequences of marxism, not atheism.

 

- From some admittedly brief reading it looks like Stalin was suppressing religion out of an interest in furthering the power of the state, not because of any atheistic zeal. It's not like he was compelled by some overwhelming moral impulse to rid the state of the church in the name of atheism and independent of anything else. This is reinforced by considering that patriotic, pro-government religion was allowed to re-emerge during WWII. Suggesting the deaths were somehow in the name of, or representative of, atheism is just overstretched sophistry bent on proving a point.

 

All these things considered, there is no obvious and honest example of widespread death that can be conclusively blamed on atheism or atheist zealotry, unless you try twisting and straining things beyond common sense because you are really interested in proving a point.

 

On the other hand, with Christians we have the Crusades, a series of wars over a couple of centuries that were intimately, undeniably intertwined with religious zealotry- the kind of conviction that brings one to believe that death can be wrought in the name of some higher purpose and suggests an inherent senselessness and insensitivity to the real world. It's a legitimate point against religion, though it would obviously be simple minded to say that religion and all religious people are therefore bad. But let's be serious, religion has caused senseless, real death (as well as destruction of progress in the sciences, etc.) and nothing that has ever happened in atheism is remotely comparable on any scale. If you want to be a serious religious scholar or thinker, you have to be able to acknowledge this and not minimize it or brush it away or equivocate.

 

Also, atheism simply isn't as widespread or influential as religion, hasn't forcefully existed as long as religion has. There are no major historical epochs or movements from art to politics to culture... for which we can point to atheism as a source of influence (maybe the Renaissance? But atheism was just a background sentiment or consequence of it, it seems, still trumped by the power of the church). But there are tons of events throughout history where the influence of religion has been fantastically massive. Even if atheism drove people to the same kinds of extremes, we wouldn't have seen them (yet) because atheism hasn't enjoyed as much influence.

 

Some people are either waiting for the atheists to prove God doesn't exist, or a form of Christian to do the other. I wonder how the world will react when the rapture happens? (Assuming it happens how most people believe, people will randomly dissapear. Buses will be without drivers and planes will crash without their pilots.)

Some people follow mixed religious beliefs from different religions.

Tell me the date, and the circumstances which define the "rapture", and I would (most likely) accept a wager on your terms. Something internet-based, like, the winner gets to write anything in the "signature" space belonging to the loser. But this is all unfair, because instead of losing to you, if the rapture really happened, you wouldn't be able to collect and I'd be going straight to hell, while you get paradise in heaven and have much better things to think about than the bet you won. But if I'm right, everything pretty much continues as normal and I get to write something in your signature space.

 

I'm not expecting you would accept, but if you do, great. My point is that I don't think any rapture will happen, ever, and I bet that if you say anything specific at all about how and when you think it will occur, you will be wrong, and I could win a bet and embarrass you. I'm confident enough that I would accept most any terms on any kind of occurrence of something that could reasonably be considered a rapture- so many false predictions have come and gone that I doubt yours would be any different. Do you really believe yourself? Than what would a friendly dare to commit to it hurt? Maybe it's blasphemous to bet on such an important thing, I don't know. But if you are confident (and it's not blasphemous), bring it on, give me a date. You will lose.

Edited April 3, 2007 by glenstein (see edit history)

[Watermonkey 0]

Devious? I think that accusation won?t sit well with some of the people you?re talking about. I?d consider revising that statement if I were you?

 

-You allege that atheism has nothing to do with it, yet in the Communist Manifesto it clearly states,

?But communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical experience.

The Communist Manifesto was written by Carl Marx and Friedrich Engels and published in several languages including English in 1848. The entire construct of the socialist (and therefore communist by definition) system of government rests upon many institutions without which it would be vulnerable to rebellion and impotent. One of these institutions is atheism. The people must find their strength within the state, not inside a cathedral. The state is the substitute for God and the state can come take your life or grant life just like God. Religious void is part of the very definition of communism and it?s true today as well that communist countries strongly defend themselves against religions. People need to have religion, so, cleverly, today, some communist governments have granted the people their version of a religion ?a state religion. In these countries, the people are allowed to only practice state sponsored religion and are commonly killed for practicing another. Examples that come to mind are China?s persecution of Christians (though, according to this article, China amended its constitution in 1982 to allow Chinese citizens a great deal of freedom of religion, yet it?s still very tightly controlled and there are five ?official? religions the government will recognize including Protestantism and Catholicism ?though Catholics are not to answer to the Holy See of Rome) and it?s well documented that under Castro, in 1962, the Cuban government shut down over 400 Catholic schools and outlawed religion. In 1991, Castro lifted his fist off the church a bit and a year later the constitution was amended to declare the state as secular instead of atheist. Cuba continues to tightly control what the church prints, access to the media, and how many priests it trains, but at least the state isn?t killing any worshippers over there (anymore?). Source and more information can be found in this link.

 

-I can?t help but be concerned about Marxism because Marxism led to the rise of Lenin whose cruelty and animosity toward the people paved the way for the rise of Stalin. I?m not going to go into a long diatribe on the history of these two murderers other than to say that under communism from the Bulshevic Revolution in 1917 to the supposed fall of communism in 1987, and their iron-fisted rule, it?s estimated nearly 62,000,000 Russians were murdered in cold blood. Under the communist regime of Chairman Mao Zedong of China, 76,702,000 people were murdered as well and to separate these events from Communism and, Atheism in particular, would be to ignore the very underlying mechanism of these atrocities. (I should be clear here: I?m only talking about the atrocities of Communist governments but as a side note, it should be clarified that governments in general have murdered as many as over three hundred million unarmed (disarmed) defenseless citizens since 1900. In every case these mass killings were by an armed force against a disarmed force.)

 

I take exception of your use of the word ?sophistry? in your bullet here. The definition of sophistry is

The use of fallacious arguments esp. with the intention of deceiving.

?Oxford American Dictionaries

Clearly you?re insinuating that somehow there is malicious intent on one side of the debate, thus detracting from the health of a debate and attacking an individual?s character instead. Can we stick with the facts instead of lowering ourselves to personal insults please? This is the second instance of this type of attack from you in just one post. As to the matter at hand regarding Stalin and his motivations, when you allow pro-government religion, you?re doing nothing to further freedom to practice religion and instead you?re simply putting makeup and high heels on the monstrous religion of communism and selling it as some kind of concession to the people. I?m sure Stalin was a real nice guy and really meant well. I bet the devil made him kill all those people? really.

 

I?ll pass the torch on to others who may wish to take exception with your comments. One last time: A debate is an informed, rational discussion of matters at hand, not personal insults, attacks, flames, etc.

[glenstein 0]

Not going to bite. But I'll gladly address other concerns from posters I can take seriously (truefusion, others in this thread, etc)

Edited April 6, 2007 by glenstein (see edit history)

[saga 0]

400 years ago Spanish came

to my coungry carying Religion as a means

to colonize my people. If you dont believe

or worhsip god they will just turn

the cross around and it will become a sword

and then slaugther villages as if we are nothing

becuase we dont believe in their god.

And so we became slave. The spanish slave.

THen they begin to raise my people as believers

and there preaching says that "You should not rebel

againts the government for it is a sin and you will

not reach heaven if you do so". My peaple were told

that those who suffer now will be greatly rewarded and

will live in eternal happiness in heaven. And so we

were under SPanish rule for more than 300 years! For 300

years we suffered becuase of god? What kind of

religion is that and what kind of god is that?

 

i have many things to say... about relgion, atheism, communism

materialism and idealiasm...

 

but i guess this video I found in youtube.com will tell you something

why we should fear religion and put an end to our belief in a god

when what we must do is believe in our humanity and free as

from slavery of idealism...

 

http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/

 

the events in this video is becuase of religion... and this is not

from the events in past.. this is in our lifetime... an echo..

 

Notice from truefusion:

Warning: Video contains extremely gruesome footage.

[truefusion 3]

 

(I chose not to quote the entire thing but leave a snapback to the post so to prevent any extra scrolling.)
I must say, i never said that these acts were done in the name of "atheism," i merely just stated they were done by atheists. Watermonkey's post seems to cover your post quite well, though.

[hr=noshade]

[. . .]Then they begin to raise my people as believers
and there preaching says that [1]"You should not rebel
againts the government for it is a sin [. . .]" [. . .] [2]What kind of
religion is that and [3]what kind of god is that?

[. . .]

[4]http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/

[1]This refers to Romans 13:1-5; however, how is it that many do not take notice of verse 4—in my opinion, the most important verse out of the five?
[2]Obviously not one established by God.
[3]Obviously no god at all—nothing but human authority. Another thing, please read Isaiah 54:15—guess Who's the One talking in this verse.
[4]I could not understand a word of this video. However it was very disturbing watching it... Surely sending our troops there would be more beneficial for that area than where they currently are, would it not?
[/hr]

[saga 0]

[1]This refers to Romans 13:1-5; however, how is it that many do not take notice of - in my opinion, the most important verse out of the five?[2]Obviously not one established by God.
[3]Obviously no god at allnothing but human authority. Another thing, please read, guess Who's the One talking in this verse.
[4]I could not understand a word of this video. However it was very disturbing watching it... Surely sending our troops there would be more beneficial for that area than where they currently are, would it not?

Romans 13:4 For the one in authority is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God's servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer

[1] Then it is safe to say that the christian god is accountable for the murders of millions of my people that lasted 300 years. THe oppressor after all are spanish priests and their cohorts. Why? what sins did my people commited? what wrong have they done when they were living peacefully until the Spanish colonizer came with their deadly religion.
[2]It is established by christian god. It was the Spanish who colonized my country. THe colonization is for the queen and god.
[3] if you read the old testament.. there were times when god of abraham commanded the israelites to raid villages and kill the village people including the livestock. what kind of god is that?
[4]the murders was becuase of conflict in religion.

the common mistakes with the bible is taking up verses and using it as a bases for arguments without first understanding who the author of the book was and why he said it and to what context the verses are part of. thats why christianism has the most branches becuase every verses and chapter can be interpreted in a hundred different ways specially if not taking into acount to waht context it was written with.

[BooZker 0]

@ Truefusion. If you believe the Bible is real, how about take look at JUST in the bible. There is a lot so i put it in a spoiler box.

Hidden

SAB, Brick Testament Number Killed Cummulative Total

Lot's wife for looking back Gen.19:26, BT 1 1

Er who was "wicked in the sight of the Lord" Gen.38:7, BT 1 2

Onan for spilling his seed Gen.38:10, BT 1 3

For dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf Ex.32:27-28, 35, BT 3000 3003

Aaron's sons for offering strange fire before the Lord Lev.10:1-3, Num.3:4, 26:61, BT 2 3005

A blasphemer Lev.24:10-23, BT 1 3006

A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath Num.15:32-36, BT 1 3007

Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families) Num.16:27, BT 12+ 3019+

Burned to death for offering incense Num.16:35, 26:10, BT 250 3269+

For complaining Num.16:49, BT 14,700 17,969+

For "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab" Num.25:9, BT 24,000 41,969+

Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive) Num.31:1-35, BT 90,000+ 131,969+

God tells Joshua to stoned to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing. Joshua 7:10-12, 24-26, BT 5+ 131,974+

God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone). Joshua 8:1-25, BT 12,000 143,974+

Joshua kills 5 kings and hangs their dead bodies on trees Joshua 10:24-26, BT 5 143,979+

God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites Judges 1:4, BT 10,000 153,979+

Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king's belly Jg.3:15-22, BT 1 153,980+

God delivered Moabites Jg.3:28-29, BT 10,000 163,980+

God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other. Jg.7:2-22, 8:10, BT 120,000 283,980+

The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson Jg.14:19, BT 30 284,010+

The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson Jg.15:14-15, BT 1000 285,010+

Samson's God-assisted act of terrorism Jg.16:27-30, BT 3000 288,010+

"The Lord smote Benjamin" Jg.20:35-37, BT 25,100 313,110+

More Benjamites Jg.20:44-46 25,000 338,110+

For looking into the ark of the Lord 1 Sam.6:19 50,070 388,180+

God delivered Philistines 1 Sam.14:12 20 388,200+

Samuel (at God's command) hacks Agag to death 1 Sam.15:32-33 1 388,201+

"The Lord smote Nabal." 1 Sam.25:38 1 388,202+

Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 2 Sam.6:6-7, 1 Chr.13:9-10 1 388,203+

David and Bathsheba's baby boy 2 Sam.12:14-18 1 388,204+

Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord 2 Sam.21:6-9 7 388,211+

From plague as punishment for David's census (men only; probably 200,000 if including women and children) 2 Sam.24:13, 1 Chr.21:7 70,000+ 458,211+

A prophet for believing another prophet's lie 1 Kg.13:1-24 1 458,212+

God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites' hands 1 Kg.20:28-29 100,000 558,212+

God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers 1 Kg.20:30 27,000 585,212+

God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet 1 Kg.20:35-36 1 585,213+

Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god. 2 Kg.1:2-4, 17, 2 Chr.22:7-9 1 585,214+

Burned to death by God 2 Kg.1:9-12 102 585,316+

God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha's bald head 2 Kg.2:23-24 42 585,348+

Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah 2 Kg.7:17-20 1 585,349+

Jezebel 2 Kg.9:33-37 1 585,360+

God sent lions to kill "some" foreigners 2 Kg.17:25-26 3+ 585,363+

Sleeping Assyrian soldiers 2 Kg.19:35, 2 Chr.32:21, Is.37:36 185,000 770,363+

Saul 1 Chr.10:14 1 770,364+

God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah 2 Chr.13:15-17 500,000 1,270,364+

Jeroboam 2 Chr.13:20 1 1,270,365+

"The Lord smote the Ethiopians." 2 Chr.14:9-14 1,000,000 2,270,365+

God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out 2 Chr.21:14-19 1 2,270,366+

Ezekiel's wife Ezek.24:15-18 1 2,270,367+

Ananias and Sapphira Acts 5:1-10 2 2,270,369+

Herod Acts 12:23, BT 1 2,270,369+

 

Now the next im not going to say how many were killed, but JUST Christian acts.

 

Salem witch trials, Peasants War, The Reformation in Scandinavia, The Reformation in Switzerland, The Reformation in France, The Reformation in the Netherlands, The Reformation in Scotland, The Reformation in England, The Thirty Years War, that one had 1/3 of the german population killed. No i could write more, but i am tired. Now, please be my guest, show me where Atheists or non believers have killed a third of a country? Also Truefusion, the link wasn't working. You seem to refer to that site for most of your stuff. I'm not saying that stuff is false, but are you sure non of it is propaganda?

 

the common mistakes with the bible is taking up verses and using it as a bases for arguments without first understanding who the author of the book was and why he said it and to what context the verses are part of. thats why christianism has the most branches becuase every verses and chapter can be interpreted in a hundred different ways specially if not taking into acount to waht context it was written with.

That is so true. I have the verse, right off the top of my head, 2 actually, that talk about eating your children, YES EATING, your children in the name of God. Now it might just be me, but doesn't that seem just a little weird? I have that one, but its gross and i can PM it to you if you wish. Also did you know if you work on Sundays/Sabbath days, you will be put to death! Or how about Women should NEVER EVER speak in church? No one follows these rules, yet you seem you could base off of other verses. I think you should stay consistent instead of saying, well, i know it says that, but i dont believe that i believe this, but not this. Write your own book then. Make your own religion as so many denominations of Christians have already.

 

I kill ... I wound ... I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh. -- Deuteronomy 32:39-42

PLEASE PLEASE explain to me WHY you would want children to learn this? It's gross and distasteful. It's a shame children, as i did, have to learn about murder and how it's OK as long as its in the name of God. If its not you will go to hell. So confusing and hypocritical. Maybe since Adolf Hitler was raised that he had meaning to do what he did. It makes sense, no? Seems so. God had killed everyone on the Earth with a flood. He killed, sorry, tried to kill everyone on Earth except the people he wanted and specific beliefs and... hold up... i think that sounds just like something from the Bible. Never mind probably just me. Did you know at first the Catholic Church rooted for him? Then when he started killing many people they got worried. Why would the Catholic Church EVER support murder like that? Quote FROM him:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

Now your going to say that was only one, but how many does ONE have to kill before someone says something? How many people does religion have to brainwash at the age of 2. How many? How about an entire school ever seen this film?

 

http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/

 

Its so sad people do this. Children will believe in Santa, the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, and more and these freaks, YES freaks, send these kids away to a camp to be mentally abused. They should be told both sides of the story not about how evil people are who do not believe the exact same as they do. If you believe in something and you have kids you should explain what you believe in and why and let them choose what they believe. Forcing a belief and calling a 5 year a catholic/christian/jew or anything is such *BLEEP*. They are not old enough to choose what they are. Leave them alone. Let THEM choose. Just as you would let THEM choose when Santa is no longer real.

[truefusion 3]

[1] Then it is safe to say that the christian god is accountable for the murders of millions of my people that lasted 300 years. THe oppressor after all are spanish priests and their cohorts. Why? what sins did my people commited? what wrong have they done when they were living peacefully until the Spanish colonizer came with their deadly religion.

[2]It is established by christian god. It was the Spanish who colonized my country. THe colonization is for the queen and god.

[3] if you read the old testament.. there were times when god of abraham commanded the israelites to raid villages and kill the village people including the livestock. what kind of god is that?

[4]the murders was becuase of conflict in religion.

 

[5]the common mistakes with the bible is taking up verses and using it as a bases for arguments without first understanding who the author of the book was and why he said it and to what context the verses are part of. thats why christianism has the most branches becuase every verses and chapter can be interpreted in a hundred different ways specially if not taking into acount to waht context it was written with.

[1]No, it's still not safe to say that the Christian God is accountable; here's another verse: Jeremiah 5:30-31.

[2]Just because it was established by those who claim to be believers, doesn't mean it was established by God; here's another verse: Titus 1:16.

[3]Were these villages the same ones that were sacrificing their own children to demons? Surely you can pull up the verses. (Which i have a feeling it's some of the same verses that Boozker pulled up.)

[4]Evil people do evil things—whether or not it was done in the name of religion. I can't argue that it wasn't done in the name of religion; however, i can try my best to prove that it is against the teachings of my religion.

[5]I agree with you there.

 

[hr=noshade]As for Boozker,

 

All the verses you provided, i will try my best to address them all properly—but it'll take time, therefore i'll edit this post later.

 

[. . .] [1]The Thirty Years War, that one had 1/3 of the german population killed. [. . .] [2]Now, please be my guest, show me where Atheists or non believers have killed a third of a country? [3]Also Truefusion, the link wasn't working. You seem to refer to that site for most of your stuff. I'm not saying that stuff is false, but are you sure non of it is propaganda?

[1]Can you tell me the size of the population during that time or is "1/3 of the german population" all you can give me? I would like to know just what was 1/3 of the german population at that time.

[2]Perhaps you skipped over the other posts that speak of such people doing so?

[3]Strange, it was working when i posted it... But the owner of that site usually always posts references for all of his articles. Some people in the forum of that website know the author of the site personally and can tell you that he takes a lot of his time doing research for his articles before he posts one.

 

[1]I have the verse, right off the top of my head, 2 actually, that talk about eating your children, YES EATING, your children in the name of God. Now it might just be me, but doesn't that seem just a little weird? I have that one, but its gross and i can PM it to you if you wish. [2]Also did you know if you work on Sundays/Sabbath days, you will be put to death! [3]Or how about Women should NEVER EVER speak in church?

[1]Yes, please send me that verse through PM or how ever you wish—we can discuss that verse through PM.

[2]The Sabbath in the Jewish calendar is on Saturday. Sunday is a Christian thing. And that OT law is very strict for a reason—the people the law was given to were very stiff-necked people (Exodus 32:9); they needed very strict laws to cause enough fear to prevent them sinning (Exodus 20:20); however, the fear of God was not good enough, as we see through the OT, for they continued sinning—even sacrificing their own children to false gods. If you want to know of all of the evil acts they've committed, you can read the other prophetic books.

[3]Do you know those who preach have a more strict judgment? Wouldn't you want to spare the women from a strict judgment?

 

[1]PLEASE PLEASE explain to me WHY you would want children to learn this? It's gross and distasteful. [2]It's a shame children, as i did, have to learn about murder and how it's OK as long as its in the name of God. If its not you will go to hell. So confusing and hypocritical. Maybe since Adolf Hitler was raised that he had meaning to do what he did. It makes sense, no? Seems so. [3]God had killed everyone on the Earth with a flood. He killed, sorry, tried to kill everyone on Earth except the people he wanted and specific beliefs and... hold up... i think that sounds just like something from the Bible. [3:2]Never mind probably just me. [4]Did you know at first the Catholic Church rooted for him? [4:2]Then when he started killing many people they got worried. [4:3]Why would the Catholic Church EVER support murder like that?

[1]First off, the words where the dots are in that verse change it's meaning of the verse. Secondly, there are plenty of Bibles out there that are specifically made suitable for children while maintaing accuracy in translation. And thirdly, you can't teach a child what is good or bad without telling them what is good or bad. Some children grow up in neighborhoods where killing is a common thing. [2]However, obviously there is something wrong here. If one is gonna teach others that killing in the name of God is a good thing, surely they should include proper teaching of justice. Also, showing mercy is a Biblical teaching. So then why do we hear that God brought judgment onto certain people? What people fail to hear also is that God was very patient with them before He brought them judgment, and such patience was to give them enough time to repent for their actions (Romans 2:3-5, 2 Peter 3:15).

[3]He did not attempt to get rid of everyone. Like always, there is no mention on why God did so. Surely it's been repeated plenty of times—is that why it was not mentioned here? Or was it so you can make God look bad? Re-read the all the chapters relating to the time of Noah. [3:2]Mhmm.

[4]No, i didn't. But why is it that i always hear about the Catholic Chruch, or Catholics? Surely there are Catholics out there that are not like the ones that you mention. [4:3] I think 4:2 would answer your own question. Also, probably that he claimed to be one of their own. Titus 1:16.

 

[1]Now your going to say that was only one, [2]but how many does ONE have to kill before someone says something? [3]How many people does religion have to brainwash at the age of 2. How many? [4]How about an entire school ever seen this film?

[1]No i'm not.

[2]I don't know, shall we take a look at history again?

[3]In my opinion, those must be some children! I mean, to be able to understand everything and act properly by what they are told to do at that age, is really something.

[4]I'm sure plenty of schools have seen all the things Hilter has done.

 

[. . .][1]They should be told both sides of the story not about how evil people are who do not believe the exact same as they do. [2]If you believe in something and you have kids you should explain what you believe in and why and let them choose what they believe. [2:2]Forcing a belief and calling a 5 year a catholic/christian/jew or anything is such *BLEEP*. [. . .]

[1]Many are told both sides, and the same are told that even those who claim to believe the same things can be evil.

[2]I'll have you know that there are a lot of families out there that let their children choose. Many families believe that the best way for their children to come to the faith is by letting them choose.

[2:2]They don't have to have beliefs force upon them to be called that. Many religions say that the children are part of that religion by birth; not insomuch that they believe the same things at the time.

 

And i personally would never teach my children (i.e. if/when i have children) that Santa, the Easter bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and whatnot are real.

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Trufusion, here is the population question.

It is estimated that the 18 million population of Germany was reduced by two thirds to 6 million.

So the population was 18 million. I would say thats a pretty good amount. even think of 1 million people. Just so no one gets confused i said earlier they lost 1/3, i meant to write the lost all BUT 1/3 sorry.

the people the law was given to were very stiff-necked people (Exodus 32:9); they needed very strict laws to cause enough fear to prevent them sinning

Did they need strict rules for laws or to not sin? Laws and sins are very different from one another. For example, a sin is to work on sunday, a law is you can't drive 60 in a school zone in America. So did they need strict rules for laws or sins? If it's for sin why would it matter? Everyone has a free will right? They don't if they will be killed if they work on Sunday. I guess you CAN do the act, but then be killed. Not really a choice. By no means free will.

[3]Do you know those who preach have a more strict judgment? Wouldn't you want to spare the women from a strict judgment?

That's not why they wrote that. Maybe that was an effect of that, but it wasn't the meaning for doing it. Women were never treated equally then.

In this part of the Bible a girl gets raped and ten stoned for not asking for help. If she would have asked for help she wouldn't. Have you ever thought she was to scared to call for help? Maybe, maybe not, either way it just shows my point that women were teated horribly then and up until not many years ago they were treated like that here in America. I don't understand why God, the all powerful, is so demeaning towards women if he created them. Even the name Women is a take off of Men. (Deuteronomy 22:24)

Secondly, there are plenty of Bibles out there that are specifically made suitable for children while maintaing accuracy in translation

Your right, but why is that needed? Why do you have to make one of those? You dont need to hide the US's laws from children. They don't make the laws so gruesome they need one set of laws written for kids and one for adults. Why does they Bible have to be so nasty? It's to scare people from sinnning, correct?

[3]He did not attempt to get rid of everyone. Like always, there is no mention on why God did so. Surely it's been repeated plenty of times—is that why it was not mentioned here? Or was it so you can make God look bad? Re-read the all the chapters relating to the time of Noah.

OK how about this. Why did God, only God, kill 2,500,000 + people yet the devil killed i believe 10 or 11 with gods permission? Doesn't it seem it should be the other way around? I thought God was supposed to be the one giving out free will. So what if they were horrible people. God should have never stepped in. Then the devil and god make a bet? I'm sorry, but this is so far out there. God kills 2 million and people pray to him and the "devil" kills less then a dozen people and our punishment is to meet this person? I wouldn't want to meet someone who has killed 2 1/2 million people. Would you?

But why is it that i always hear about the Catholic Chruch, or Catholics? Surely there are Catholics out there that are not like the ones that you mention.

Simply because i spent the first 9 years of my life believing in God in a Catholic way. I don't know as much. I just know what i had learned first hand in school every day for years and wonder why they skipped parts and so forth. They have never said God that many. They never said God put women down. The things you skim right over in the Bible is huge. How about this?

When Lot was a very old man, he had sex with his daughters on two succesive nights, and both daughters became pregnant (Genesis 19:31-38). According to the Bible, Lot was a "righteous man" (2 Peter 2:8)

[3]In my opinion, those must be some children! I mean, to be able to understand everything and act properly by what they are told to do at that age, is really something.

They dont have to follow them, they just have to believe them. Then as they get older there belief is stronger. Why wouldn't it get stronger? Unless they were like me and spotted things that make no sense and so forth they only have two routes. 1. believe in a God or 2. Dont. Simple. Most people are not like me and most people get more hard headed to new ideas. They wont listen. But at the age of 5 if you tell them to believe in a Pop-Tart monster who lives under your bed and THERE IS ONE! And you repeat this to them and tell them they will burn forever if they dont, ya, they are going to believe it.

[4]I'm sure plenty of schools have seen all the things Hilter has done.

Not sure what you meant. Did you mean the video was about Hitler? It was not. Did you mean the kids might grow up to be like hitler so they tell them what hitler did was bad? Sorry i just don't understand how hitler comes into that video.

[2]I'll have you know that there are a lot of families out there that let their children choose. Many families believe that the best way for their children to come to the faith is by letting them choose.

They are much fewer then the ones that make you go to church on sunday. Much, much smaller. Most adults just make there kids do everything to be a christian. The following also kind of replies to the other thing you stated below this statement. If you tell your mom/dad you don't believe in it/him/her it's a big deal. When my best friend gets mad at his parents he theatens them with becoming a Jew or something other then Catholic. If you can threaten someone like that and they get that worked up then you don't have much of much of a choice to be whatever you want to be until you move out unless you hide it.
(Speaking of christians of course because i grew up like that)

I'll get that verse TF and also i have to admit you get me thinking more then anyone else in this forum. What would i do without your responses! There is no one to debate with other then you