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Sacrifice is giving a very important thing in the human live to nobody in order to save somebody's else's life it could be a person, a people, or even a whole civlistaion, or in order to save a valuable object, or a treasure, a culture for example. And that thing that you give could be your life. Doing so may prevent you from living but someone else will have another life or will be saved from something because of you. So this thing is a significance of extreme generosity and loyalty. Then comes the part of Love, sacrificing is done by someone because he loves someone, or something. Usually we don't see someone sacrificing himself to save his friend or the one he or she loves nowadays. But back then, Jesus sacrificed himself in the purpose of protecting the Christanity religion, and so protecting all the people on earth. Because if all religions didn't exist so God will be too much angry and everyone after Christ will go to Hell! That is a truth so thank God of sending us a way to show our love for God and being loyal to him. And this way was sent by prophets like Jesus Christ, Mohamed, Noa etc...

I understand. But this does not answer the questions:

-If God wanted to save lots of people, He could keep His religion alive, and many pious people would follow it. God will not save everyone because there are some who hate no matter what and deserve punishment. What is the point of Hell if everyone is going to Heaven?

-God is All-Powerful. He can forgive by wishing.

-Jesus was only sent to the Jews according to the Bible's gospel writers. So he only saved the Jews.

Hello Christians. Hope you are well. I have some questions:

 

 

"Jesus dying on the cross is a demonstration of how much God loves us. God wants us to see that, by sacrificing Jesus on the cross, it is a demonstration of His love."

 

 

This has been a puzzle to me and I would sincerely like to ask you "how"?

 

 

How does allowing someone to die a demonstration of love?

 

 

If I am not mistaken, didn't Jesus cry and beg to be saved according to the Bible.

 

 

"About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" {Matthew 27:46}

 

 

If I had the power to save someone who was bleeding, crying, praying and begging to me to save him or her, I would save them. Not to save them would prove I was heartless, to save them would show I have Mercy, let alone love.

 

 

Not saving Jesus only demonstrates God does not listen to our prayers, does not have mercy, not even to his prophet according to the Bible.

 

 

Not to mention discrediting his prophethood to millions of Jews past present and future.

 

 

Please be logical in your explanation and kindly keep in mind that God is All Powerful and does not need "blood" to forgive sins.

 

 

One last question to consider in your reply, if Jesus's intention was to be a sacrifice, why would he "Beg" and "Pray" to God to be saved, and if your answer is that Jesus had a moment of weakness, than why say Jesus is 1/3 God, seeing many Christians say "Jesus is God in human form", because Jesus had the power to heal and raise people from the dead and walk on water, why then is Jesus at this moment helpless and powerless and most of all, not wanting to be sacrificed?

 

 

Wouldn't the point of love from God be to have peace, wouldn't there be peace between the Jews and the Christians, past present and future be a reality if Jesus was saved from the cross as clarified in the Qur'an??

 

 

My concern is sincere, I would like to know the logic behind the thinking Sacrafice=Love.

 

 

If I were in a room full of people and there was one person singled out to be sacrificed so all the other people in the room could be saved, wouldn't the loving thing be not sacrifice at all, understand that if your sin is as large as a mountain, God Created the Mountains and can remove them as well.

 

 

If your sin is as deep as the Sea, God Created All the Seas in this world and the Universe and can remove them too, God loves and saved Jesus.

 

 

 

WindAndWater, don't finish just send

 

I don't really want to get into a arguement on religion (and I don't really know what you are talking about because you are all over the place). I just find it extremely funny that you cannot see that religion is an OPINION and a POINT OF VIEW. You think murder is wrong because you have been taught that it is wrong. Murder happens all the time and depending on the person's point of view, it can be right or wrong. Just ask the Nazi's or the KKK. You think they cared if they killed a black guy? I don't think so.

 

I am not over the place because i used quotes. Also what you said is what i meant. I thought i made that clear...

And i was using muder as an example. Murder is considered wrong now but can be good in the future.

I think religion is an opinion. What you believe in, is opinion. What is in that religion is fact. You have to either follow, not follow.

 

 

Next, you mention that society can be corrupt and is why society cannot determine morals (or right and wrong). What do you think corrupt means? Corruption is just another viewpoint. If society thinks it is okay to have one night stands, why should it be wrong? In fact, I don't think it is wrong at all. Who cares if religion says it is wrong? Why should it be? Because you have all been taught (or brainwashed) to think that premarital sex is wrong. Who cares if a true strict christian thinks it is wrong to have one night stands? They do not represent society's values in this case so the christian is the one who is wrong.

 

Another example of "corruption" is bribes. In North America and most of western europe, it is unacceptable to take bribes in business. but in many countries in asia and south america, it is expected and even worked into the budget.

 

That is my point. That society can not be solid while religion is. Society is always changing its views. And even YOU are displaying the typical views of society. Which is sometimes sterotyped. You say that i have been brainwashed into thinking. Well i can also say you are brainwashed into thinking it is good.

 

As for bribes, they are a whole new issue.

 

 

The second thing I find extremely funny is the fact that someone is comparing religion to science in terms of "accuracy". Of course the more we learn from a scientific point of view, the more accurate it is. How can the parallel be drawn for religion? It is simply ridiculous! Religion is not something we will understand more over time because it is abstract! The reason why the oldest book is the most accurate book is that all books are essentially telling a story (history - if you believe it is true). What is more accurate, a history book written AT THE TIME history happened or hundreds of years later?

 

 

Actually all history books are written hundreds of years later/decades later. The sources may be primary sources but history does not study 'today'. For example no historian is truly/offically studing 9/11 even though they may be studying it in their free time. And once again you are displaying society's typical views. It is often commonly believed that science is true and religion is a load of nonsence. Well when you say that the religion's Holy Books are just history books you should be clear you are only talking about the Bible. All other scriptures are completely different. I do not want to compare religion to science because that would require a new thread.

 

 

If you kept a journal and wrote entries for days that were 5 years ago, how much would you remember? Most of your ideas would be lost and distorted!

 

Open your mind. Everything in this world is relative and depends on your point of view. You are taking a hard view from the religious point of view. Step back from your teachings (brainwashing) and try to see thing from other's point of view. Religion is not a bad thing but it is bad when people close their minds because of it. y

 

You are talking about the Bible. A Christian reply would be: 'they were inspired by God.' And religion is not brainwashing! Yes there are some lunatics that believe in religion. This 'brainwashing' for example in Christianity (I am not Christian) is forgiving people, charity, letting strangers sleep in their homes. And so on. I am not saying atheists have no morales. But the amount of people who have the same morales is very small compared to the sane people in religion.

Also about this closing of the mind. I sadly agree with this. Almost all religions, i think, say something like 'open your mind and consider the evidence'. But sadly many people do not do this. Since my experiences are mostly with Christians, i cannot say anything on the closing of the mind about Jews, hindus, buddhists and so on. Many Christians refuse to see the evidence. But it is not only the religious people but the atheists too. Infact i see it almost everytime i mention the word 'God' near them.

If i say to someone: "let me try and convince you God exists" then they immediatly start unconciously refuse all the evidence before they recieve it. They make a rule in their mind that no matter i say they make a rule not to believe what i say. I have seen it with religious people too. So this is not only to religious people.

 

 

You should've read the rest of the passage, God must've known you'd say this 2 thousand years ago because it's set up perfectly to beat your argument before it even got started! For one thing, Jesus said this before even speaking that to her!

 

Matthew 15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Just that right there destroys your racism theory instantly.

 

I got it from a website so it is not my theory. I wrote that down...Anyway i do not want to talk about Jesus in this thread. Though you are proably right about what you said below. Remember it is from a website not from me. I like to verify what i believe in. I was just using that as an example that Jesus was not sinless. Please like i said before, this is not the place to argue it.

 

Like i said to someone else. If you really want to argue about Jesus please PM me and i will have no problems with it there. Here is not right place really...

 

However since there are no posts here, i will respond quickly:

 

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

 

Here, Jesus doesn't just say the Father loved Him before the beginning of the world... it says He EXISTED WITH THE FATHER "BEFORE THE WORLD WAS."

 

But that is the point i am making! I said that the prophets and messengers were made before the existence of universe let alone God.

Also: 'King Melchizedek of Salem was an eternal priest with no records of his beginning and ending. (Heb. 7:1-3). No Christian would admit, based upon this stated of "eternal life span", that the King of Salem was God, so how can Jesus be who claimed his existence before Abraham?'

 

Furthermore, your idea of proof is backwards. Just because it's possible for God to love someone before they were born in no way means that Jesus wasn't God. Simply because something is possible does not mean it is plausible and certainly not that it is proven, especially when the text specifically states a different alternative like the one I just gave.

 

It does not state an alternative. Please actually read what i typed. And this is the question i ask you again:

 

Jesus said; "If you abide in My word, then you are truly disciples of mine; and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free". When Jesus was asked: "What commandment is the foremost of all?" Jesus answered, "The foremost is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is One Lord; And you shall LOVE the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind and with all your strength."

There are certain elements where the three religions seem to agree but that doesn't mean that they believe in the same God. Streaked goat and black goat have many similarities but they can be classified to streaked and black goat.

 

I will not put so many arguments to prove that they are different. But in a very simple sentence I should say they do not believe in the same God. The God they believe are different. Since their interpretation of God are somehow different.

They do. If we ignore the trinity, then we are left with God the father. They worship the same God. Literally. For example arab Christians and arab Jews used the name 'Allah' for God. They still do nowadays. Muslims took the name 'Allah' and also use it for God. Muslims also agree that they worship Yahweh, which is the same God. This because Muslims believe in the Bible and so hence forth believe in Yahweh. Also Yahweh was given to Moses who is also an Islamic prophet.

 

Although, divorcing someone can be committing adultery, not all divorces are in favor of adultery. It seems many people fail to remember the teachings found in Matthews, 1 Corinthians, and in Romans. If the husband or wife were to die, that is considered divorce, and is allowed remarriage. Also, marital unfaithfulness allows one to remarry without committing adultery.

Yes that is true.

Oh great...warned...stupid quotes! Sigh...

 

I always find these persuasive arguments hard to credit. They're set up as a discussion between two contending forces, but in reality it's more of a carefully crafted stage, with one person controlling two puppets. It allows the conversation to move down a predetermined path with only token resistance. It allows the "right" side to offer forth proof, without it being actually attacked and disected by the opposition.

Many of the points put forth in here are limited, and attackable as stemming from coincidence. When you take a text as long and as comprehensive as the Quraan, it's bound to have passages that overlap and coincide with the views held by mainstream science.

I don't believe that you'll ever be able to convince someone to your religion unless you provide them with something directly tangable, and neigh irrefutable that they can believe in themselves. Any logic you use to try to convince them will always have a counter-argument.

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Well they might be crafted...But the main purpose of the article was to convince the reader that the Qur'an has scientific miracles and therefore God exists. It is a bit boring reading through them all. And confusing. Instead the original author has presented them in a more readable fashion. Anyway please counter argue this article...if you can.

 

Don't try to convince atheists of the existance of one (or many) God(s), don't try to convince mono- or polytheists of the nonexistance of God(s), you'll just end up pissing off somebody.

 

You can't convince anybody that what he or she believes in is wrong unless he or she has already started doubting it. No matter how good the evidence for one side is, the only thing you'll do is make the other side angry by telling them that they're wrong. Why do you think so many wars have been focused on religion? I don't remember who said it or what exactly he said, but there was a quote I heard that is something like "If you want to make someone angry, tell him that his belief system is wrong."

 

Now from reading this response do you think that I'm religious? That I agree that atheism is wrong? I'm not religious at all, I just know what makes people angry, and this is a very good example of that.

 

I think that is true. You can cannot convince atheists that God exists because they do not want to.

 

No I am not religious, yes I believe that there is some kind of 'god' or higher being.. I was raised Catholic because I lived in a small town and it's the only school they had.

 

My opinion is, you can convince, but you shouldn't. Everyone should have the right to believe what they want .. not to be forced to believe something. Sure, present them with your arguement but let them decide and if they decide not to choose your religion don't go and get angry at it.

 

Yep. Never force someone. I won't. Thanks for advice.

 

I would have taken a different approach at this. (I came into this topic late, before a mod got here, so i'm not sure of what's going on). But, i would have made a topic title "answers for atheists and agnostics", and recommended a link. While telling them what to expect. (http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/answers.html)

 

 

There is a new link the mod posted.

 

I'm sure you can find the questions with the smileys next to them in the link i provided.

 

[1]ROFL! laugh.gif Oh man, that's some joke. But, lol, to talk about such, it's wrong to kick a man there. God does not promote such a thing. It would be like kicking yourself there, if you're a man. But, tell me where would you have placed them at?

Why do you feel a need to?

First let me say

 

I aggree entirly.

 

But now serously, I know this a good topic to get people talking, but why does every religion feel the need to force themselfs on other people. Kinda like the bee won't sting you if you don't bother it. Like it was mentioned, a very large number of wars were caused but one prson feeling they were right, and that the other needed to change.

 

Not every religion. I am not Christian but many times in the Bible when Jesus preached but the other person did not want to become his pupil, Jesus did not go after him and say "hey hey! i am the salvation! You gotta believe, man!" Usually people just make other people believe forcefully.

 

Fighting fighting fighting... always something about god exsist or he doesnt. If it isnt that its somebodies belief is wrong. So correct me if Im wrong.

God doesnt want you to force your opinion or beliefe upon somebody else.

God doesnt want you to tell a person their going to hell just because you dont believe in Christianity.

 

Also while we're on this subject, Does God want people to be happy? If your happying being homosexual... that is a big no no.

 

Lets go further into this, especialy with the dislike of pagens, jewish, and any other religeons. Christianity is a hodge-podge of religeons, The tree and fish were symbols of Pagens... Not Christians.

 

Heres on of the big ones though... and werfs do pay attention. There wouldn't be so much complication with the business of whos right and whos wrong, if you could consider for a moment that maybe YOU are wrong. Lets not forget that the Bible has been translated more than just a "few" times. There are many ways to translate it, and peices are missing. Being able to take into consideration might open new doors. But that would never be able to happen, because your to busy worried about that. And untill then, these God damned problems will never end... Some deity exists... you have to make what you want of it... It may be a he.... It may be a she... It might be an alien... Either way, the more you fight about it, the worse it will get...

 

"Save the world... hug a werf"

 

Lol if you had even bothered to read anything about my post you would have realised i am not Christian. I know about the translating issue and so on. Interesting beliefs you have there.

 

 

 

Alright, interesting questions.

 

1, 2, 3-Eventually you have to get down to the point where the most basic essential existed, your "god." Pasteur conclusively proved that one can't get something from nothing. The 2nd law of thermodynamics says you can't get life from non-life. And the Big Bang theory says before the Big Bang there was a singularity, where all the laws of science break down. So the only way for them to explain it is to say science didn't apply It would be a lot more honest of them to just say they don't know. Thus, you have to reach a point where nothing existed before. Some scientists have tried using theories like the Steady State Model to say time could be in a loop or bounce all different ways to say it went back far enough that they don't have to explain an original beginning, which means God must have existed. Problem is, there theories all keep getting proven false, and they're running out of escape holes. This has been going on for a thousand years or so, where they've been jumping at wilder and wilder possibilities to explain away the existence of God so we can exist.

 

As for the last question, just because God makes something good doesn't mean He intended it to be subject to wrong uses Kind of like sex, He made it a blessing to be had within the confines of marriage, not with ever tom, sue, and barney the talking rock that comes by. Just because we have been given the ability to do something doesn't mean God intended us to do it in other words. To have the potential to do great good we must have power and that means the potential to do evil as well.

 

 

 

 

Well, is simply engaging a willing participant in persuasive conversation "forcing" your opinions and beliefs on them? If you try to punish them for not accepting the beliefs then that would be forcing them, right? We are not to judge, and a judge pronounces a sentence or condemnation. Is simply telling someone good news that can change their eternal destiny pronouncing a sentence or condemnation on them?

 

Let me put it this way. If you care about your friend, and they're about to walk off a cliff while hypnotized, will you not say anything because you "care about them?" If you're really their friend, won't you at least bother to warn them? If they refuse to listen to you fine, out of respect you can simply walk away. But truly caring about someone implies taking action when it matters. If one never stands up for anything it's because they've never found anything worth standing up for. I guess that tells you in a sentence what I think of Unitarianism.

 

God does want people to be happy, but God is a holy God who does not tolerate evil and unrighteousness. Mankind chose to reject God's ways thousands of years ago and now they ask why there's evil and suffering in the world. God didn't make the world this way. He made it perfect. We chose to reject Him and His way, and He simply let us suffer the consequences of doing things "our way." It's His love that brought Him to send His only begotten Son so that we could have a way out from the just consequences of our wrongs done to Him and other people.

 

You say the Bible has been translated more then a few times. Tell me, just how many of those times have been in, say, the last 2 hundred years or so? And of past translations, how many of those translations do we have? You see, there is more manuscript authority for the New Testament alone then for any ancient literary work in history. Shakespeare's Iliad is 2nd with 640 something manuscripts (copies of the original) currently in our possession. We have over 20,000 manuscripts for the New Testament that agree nearly always word for word. Some are written less than a century after the events, having been dated even before the 2nd century A.D.! To give you an idea of how spectacular this is, any classical scholar would laugh if you were to question a given work of Shakespeare with just 5 reliable manuscripts, with the most recent written over a thousand years after the original. And there are works accepted as beyond suspicion based on exactly those requirements. A double standard is constantly applied to the Bible as opposed to other historical documents, and if you were to objectively evaluate it with the same 3 methods applied to other historical documents of internal evidence, external evidence, and bibliographical evidence you would be astounded at how shockingly, even embarrassingly greater a wealth of backing there is for the New Testament alone compared to any other ancient literary work in history! There is a book with over 10 million copies in print, readily available, a paperback that can be gotten for $5, called "More Than a Carpenter" by Josh McDowell. In it he examines the reliability of the Bible and holds it up to scrutiny by just such methods, as well as many accusations made against it.

 

Ever since "The DaVinci Code" came out, a lot of people like to make that accusation about the Bible's translations. Tell me, what do you know about Dan Brown? Did you know his movie is being held up because of accusations of plagiarism by the authors of "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" who he cited as sources many times in his book? Did you know that while the Priory of Sion did exist, it was created by the same source the "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" authors used? The group wasn't created hundreds of years ago, it was made in 1956 by convicted con artist Pierre Plantard, who in 1993 admitted under oath to planting a series of fictionalized documents "proving" the existence of a bloodline descending from Mary Magdalene? It is those same documents Brown quotes as there being 4 trunks full, and puts it in his "fact" section. There weren't even 4 trunks of them, either. Did you know the Catholic group Opus Dei (probably got the name slightly wrong) didn't even have an order of monks or a bishop as he suggests in his book? Brown made numerous crucial mistakes just in locations and common knowledge info.

 

Hey i loved what you wrote.

 

 

Y must you ppl push your religions on other's. I'm happy with my belief's and and the next jehovah's witness that shows up at my door is gonna get beat down like Whitney Houston after she married Bobby.(no offense, but imean door to door religion is kinda sad...)

 

I Think you ppl try to convince others that your god exists because you are actually trying to convince yourself.

 

RELIGION IS THE NUMBER 1 CAUSE OF WAR IN HUMAN HISTORY

Just leave it be, cause if try and convince ppl that your god is the one true god than dont get mad when one day someone proves you wrong....

 

 

 

I Beleive it says in the bible"Do Not Judge Lest Ye Be Judged..."

 

 

 

 

 

????[/tab][tab]That's about how us Albertan's think, think what you want, but dont try and make us conform...

 

War is not the cause from religion. What about hitler? What about communism in russia? What about atomic bomb? This are just some examples which are not part of religion. Religions like Christianity preach forgiveness. Where is the war in that? Islam says you should never attack except in self defence. Where is the war in that? Buddhism says peace and no harm to living things. Where is the harm in that?

Taken from http://www.themodernreligion.com/

 

Religion and the Scientist...

But Muslim in all countries use Alah because they use Koran in Arabic . Koran is not allowed to be translated but in the internet time they put Koran in English in the net and called it is translation of meaning. I don't understand the difference between translation and translation of meaning.

 

It is allowed to be translated. There are several translations in book also.

 

II. Believing in One God: Judaism and Islam and Christianity believes that God is One. Some people misunderstand the Christianity in this point . Christian in their pray and Greed confirms that they believes that God is One in the Holy Trinity

 

III. The Christianity follow the 10 commandment as Judaism.Islam adopt most of commandment..

 

Wrong. Christianity does not believe God is one. This is debateable though...

But i know that Islam adopts ALL of the commandsments in the Bible. See my article on my website for quotes from both books: http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/

 

IV. Marriage

- In Islam they can married 4 wives under condition [but nobody follow the condition]. Divorce allowed.

 

yes they do! Are you telling me you went to all of the married Muslims in the 1.5 Billon population and checked?! Muslims are religious. I am not saying there are no law breakers in Islam.

 

 

- Muslim man can marry Christian or Jewish woman but not the opposite i.e Muslim girl can not Mary Christian or Jewish man.

 

Yes they can. Prove this with a Quran verse.

 

- In Christianity the marriage is one man and one woman for the life. Divorce is only for adultery. The Torah says that through marriage, a man and woman "become one flesh." (Genesis 2:24)

- In Judaism as in Christianity, the Torah says that through marriage, a man and woman "become one flesh." (Genesis 2:24). The divorce allows but when people get divorced, they must obtain a "Get." A Get is a religious document and can be done so only by someone who is well-versed in Jewish law .witness the giving of the Get.

 

V. Jesus Christ:

a. In Christianity, Jesus one of the holly trinity, Word of God, was incarnate as a human to be crucified and save the world from Adam's sin.

b. In Judaism, that Jesus is not the Messiah. and they still waiting the Messiah.

c. In Islam, they consider Jesus is a good pro hit who born from Mary and holly spirit . He hasn't been crusified but ascended to heaven directly.

The Koran , the holly book in Islam and El-Bukhari, the prohit's says tell lot about Jesus. Take these examples:

 

You mispelt prophet And the holy books of Islam is only the Qur'an. Not al-Bukhari! That is a man! His books however are just sayings of the prophet Muhammed, peace and blessings upon him. They are not the Holy Book! Only the Quran is considered the Holy Book. The Bible and Jewish scriptures are considered to be corrupted.

 

 

1- Jesus was the only person to be born of a virgin:

 

 

2- Jesus Christ is the Word of God, and messiah :

 

 

2- Jesus Christ is the Word of God, and messiah [The Koran: (4) The Women 171; (3)House of Imran 40].

 

3- Jesus Christ alone emanated from the spirit of God; for this reason He did not need a sexual, genetical birth: [The Koran(4) The Women 16]

 

Wrong yet again. The Holy Spirit in Islam is the angel Gabriel. Also Adam, peace and blessings upon him, was also created like Jesus. And Jesus did have an ordinary birth. Ordinary as in he comes out like other babies.

 

 

4. The Koran tells us that Christ needed no one to teach Him anything, not even how to speak. Jesus Christ alone, in exception to all humans, spoke while in the The cradle [Koran(19): Mary 22-32].

 

5- Jesus Christ alone was perfect without sin;

Also, the Arab prophet testified for the perfection of Christ and His infallibility, saying:

 

6- Jesus Christ alone was distinguished from all others in the sense that He was Creator of birds:

7- Jesus Christ alone was uniquely incomparable in knowing men's secrets:

8- Jesus was matchless in making the miracles and the wonders which no other could make:

9- Jesus Christ alone could raise the dead with the word of His blessed mouth:

10- Only Jesus Christ could give His followers high honors and assurances concerning the day of Resurrection:

 

Wrong again! Jesus is not the creater of birds! Only God is the creator of birds. God gave Jesus the ability to turn clay birds into real ones. It was never Jesus. Jesus in Islam is not the only person without sin. Lots of other prophets are out of sin. What in the world do you mean by number 7?

 

11- Only Jesus will be the Judge who will come to this world to judge the living and the dead; the Arab prophet confirmed this fact, saying:

 

 

Wrong again! Only God will judge humans. Not Jesus. Stop elevating him to God's level!

 

Five Words: They are not the same.

Well actually there are alot of similarities but hardly any of these are true.

Please correct your facts, kasm!

Everyone has their own ideas about religion. You can't tell anyone if one religion is right or wrong. Just accept other people's ideals and learn to respect them. I personally don't think christianity is that superior. Why would it be? Since you hear about all their bad deeds done by the church. It has a history of committing sins and yet, people still learn to follow it. Its probably a more tradition thing.

 

I agree. People need to learn to live peacefully with one another. Some states do not recognise some major religions because they do not want them to exist. They need to change their attitude.

 

 

In response to "Jesus was defeated by the woman's wisdom":

(You could have used quote tags).

Although, it used to prove that Jesus is not God, it seems that you also use to this to "prove" that Jesus has sinned.

 

Indeed, Jesus was sent to do something else, first. But, Jesus was only testing her faith. Sin would have been doing what the disciples said,

This goes to show just how faith saves people. This is also another proof that Jesus was tempted by evil, but did not give in. What you call "defeating" Jesus, isnt really defeating, cause He did not give in to sin. Since, the canaanite woman wasnt using evil to "lure" Jesus in. She wanted help, and got it.

 

Well actually if you had read what i wrote, i said something like:

 

"A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, 'Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession. Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, 'Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.' He [Jesus] answered, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.' The woman came and knelt before him. 'Lord, help me!' she said. He [Jesus] replied 'It is not right to take the children's [Jews] bread [blessings and miracles reserved for them] and toss it to their dogs [the Gentiles].' 'Yes, Lord' she said, 'but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table.' Then Jesus answered, 'Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.' And her daughter was healed from that very hour. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 15:22-28)"

 

 

Jesus said taht non-Jewish woman and people in general are equivalent to dogs. Anyway this is not the place to debate on whether Jesus was sinless or not. If you want to debate on that PM me or start a new topic and PM me the hyperlink please.

 

 

Anywho, moving on:

 

Missing the obvious? Kinda hard not to agree that the Bible still stands, just cause you dont think it does. If it still didnt "stand" many people wouldnt be using it. Mind explaining your reason?

 

 

Who says the dead arent saved? Sure, many of them arent, but who says, they all aren't? I'm pretty sure i've read something about the dead being saved in the Bible.

I do not make snap judgements. I do not say the Bible does not stand because I do not want it to stand. It would take me quite a while and a lot of typing to explain why. Would you like me to PM you and show you why it does not stand as the Words of God anymore?

 

God bless you all.

I don't think there is a superior religion. As a non-believer (christian orthodox by birth) I am sure there isn't a very big difference between the 2 main religions: Christianity and Islam. History made the dfference between those two. In Europe Christianity lived throught what we call the Dark Ages and I think that period made Christianity much more mature religion. They changed their view from "Earth is the center of the Universe" and kill anybody who says different to "Maybe the evolution theory is true?!?". Meanwhile in the far east nothing changed everything remained and still is like it was in the 14th century. But there is no way you can say a religion is better. Yeah the Christian world is far more richer then the Islamic world, but that is not entirely because of religion. History is the main player. If we were born in Africa we would have still starved like people do right now.

I never said Islam was the greater religion. I was just replying to some people's comments. But in the Middle East it is no longer like the 14th century. Arabs were beginning to go the best full length. They were extremly clever and had many scientists and so on who discovered many things. Gradually the Ottoman empire died and the Western world took over.

I think this world would be in chaos without religion.
Christianity does not teach to feel superior to other religions. I don't think any religion teaches that. In Islam they are taught to respect Christians and Jews as they are the People of the Book.

The bible is not only a religious book but it has history, philosophy, and prediction of future events. After centuries of persecution and attempts to destroy it the bible still stands.

I would not agree with the 'Bible still stands' but i agree with your comments so far.

It's just different viewpoints of the bible that has divided Christianity into many sects.
I'm a Catholic and we believe in the Virgin birth of Christ. People say it's impossible, but this is God we are talking about, nothing is impossible.

And what is that guy talking about that Jesus was a "racist"? It was Jesus' teachings such as to spread the word not only to Jews but also non-jews. What about the time Jesus healed the Roman Centurion's servant?

Not really the Bible that divided the Christians into sects. More the corruption. Now the Christians high in power are not actually corrupt anymore. Thank God.

Also when i was talking about Jesus, i was trying to prove a point that he was not sinless.

I'm am not believe in God at all so I have, in my opinion, a very objective point of view. If we will think about Jedaism, Christianity and Islam, I can't understand why people brought up Christianity and Islam.

Judaism is the oldest monotonic religion in the world. When Rome empire killed Jesus, His students made him as a God. As to me, it is very stupid. First of all Jesus was jewish, as a result, he was the son of Avraham, so he was the son of God, like all the Jews. Moreover, He made a lot of wrong deeds, due to them he was killed. In the Jedaism there is a part of it with the name Kabalah (Madona studies it now). with the help of it we can make like "Miracles". But there are very few people who knows it and it is forbiden to use it. He Has known it and used it for walking on the water and more.... That's why he was killed. From the other side, He believed in Judaism, where there is only one god and it is forbiden to believe in anything else, when he was killed his students made him as a God. I have many more facts. Tell me if you accept it....Thanks...

 

Look i know about the Kabalah and i warn you not to know it. It is an evil thing. Even the Bible and Qur'an tells the story of how two angels were ordered to give the knowledge to the humans as a test to see if they will use it. Do not use it! Jesus was a natural person with God-given powers. He is a prophet.

I warn you to stay away from Kabalah.

 

sorry, I can't agree. First of all, Jesus NEVER SINNED. He was perfect in every way. He was tempted, but never sinned. OK, I accept the fact you disprove Christians (in which I am), but I have a question: what if it is true? because if it is, your not lookin so good dude. how would you like to burn FOREVER! Never stops! Don't get me wrong, God isn't mean because he sends ppl to hell. He is loving, and he WANTS you to be with him. But since we sinned, we can't enter God's kingdom. Christianity is not a religion! It's a personal relationship. Dude, He loves you. I can't express it. I don't know you, but I would certainly want you in heaven! Its real! No joking, it's reality! You can't escape it. I know you probebly think this is silly. But think about this. "have you ever been wrong when you thought you were absolutely right?" I love you, whoever you are. I hope you come to thhis realization. nickmealey1@hotmail.com for any questions.

 

quoted from answering-christianity:

Jesus was defeated by the woman's wisdom:

 

"A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, 'Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession. Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, 'Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.' He [Jesus] answered, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.' The woman came and knelt before him. 'Lord, help me!' she said. He [Jesus] replied 'It is not right to take the children's [Jews] bread [blessings and miracles reserved for them] and toss it to their dogs [the Gentiles].' 'Yes, Lord' she said, 'but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table.' Then Jesus answered, 'Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.' And her daughter was healed from that very hour. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 15:22-28)"

 

It's funny how Jesus supposedly in the book of man-made alterations and corruption, the New Testament, instantaneously ABROGATED his views and decision about the non-Jewish woman and people in general being equivalent to dogs when compared to the Jews. It is important to note that the woman, in this corrupted book, from the very start showed that she is a "believer" (what ever that meant back then). So it wasn't a matter of a "disbeliever" or pagan seeking Jesus' help.

 

The woman's wisdom defeated Jesus, the so-called "Creator of the Universe"! Jesus, within a second, changed his racist and trash-mouthed views against her from being a "dog" to a human being who deserves to be helped.

 

 

 

"I was sent ONLY to..." clearly and irrefutably means that Jesus initially claimed that he wasn't sent to other than the Jews!

 

So what if the woman failed with Jesus??

 

It seems that Jesus in the corrupted book of the new testament changed his racist and filthy views only because the woman begged him. I wonder if the woman never did this and instead answered him inappropriately after he called her and all gentiles as "dogs", would the gentiles today still be considered as the Jews' dogs? Most probably yes. It doesn't take much for a racist to go back to his old habits and generalizing evil beliefs.

 

 

 

Again, don't forget that the woman initially showed that she was a believer! Jesus rejected her only because she was a Gentile!

end of quote

 

That is why Jesus cannot be god.

 

hi everyone ...

 

i am a muslim living in australia. i have recently begun to explore and try to look for the confilct between Christianity and islam and i was a really suprised when i discover how much similarities between these two great religion.

 

but i could not understand the concept of Trinity. i ask several christian about it and it was shocking that most of them do not know what this concept means. they just believe it as a something which cannot be explained. however some people do asnwer my question. then, i get confused again when i saw the movie " the passion of the Christ", Juses was calling somebody at the bigenning of the movie " father ... father". logic would clash with that. was he calling himself? seems not.

 

them i said i should go to the Bible. i realised that it is not the word of Juses, so i tried to find Juses' words because if he is a god, he would not let people in a such confusing situation. what i discovered was: Juses never said anything about Trinity which is just an idea that was developed after Juses leave. He never said i am a son of god. He never said i has been sent for the entire world.

 

Christians also claim that Juses has been crucified for the sins of humans? can anyone explain to me which sins are forgiven?

 

i am not trying to be rude or unrespected for Christianity and if i did i am asking for forgivness. i just wanna the image to be clearfied and things to be understood.

thanks

There are LOT of similarties, yes. Lol the biggest similarity has to be worshipping the same god. When Christians do not worship Jesus or the holy spirit, then they worship Yahweh (God) (Allah) who the Muslims also worship.

 

And it is not really shocking that noone understands the trinity because noone understands it. They made it so complicated that it is too hard to be understood.

Also the Bible is believed by Muslims to be the corrupted Word of God.

 

The idea is that all the sins of humanity are forgiven. Too bad the guys who are dead and the guys in the future were not forgiven.

 

 

Happy to talk with you about them Salem.

 

You seem to question what Christ said about Himself. The whole reason the Jews tried stoning Him so many times and hated Him enough to crucify Him was precisely because He did claim to be God, and they said as much. Here are His words:

 

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

 

That is not saying i am god. That is saying God sent him. God sent all the prophets.

 

John 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

 

He saying not to be arrogant.

 

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

 

Why would a god hide from some people?!

 

When confronted by Jews; Jesus said unto them, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." (John 8:58)

Perceived by the "man of extraordinary faith": This proves; a) Jesus existed before his birth.

Jesus was the same entity who replied to prophet Moses when he asked his God; What was His name? What shall he say to his people? From behind the Burning Bush God replied; "I AM THAT I AM." (Exodus 3:14).

 

Answer:

a) Jesus was consecrated (anointed) by God before he was born and so was prophet Jeremiah. The Bible records, God came to prophet Jeremiah and said to him; "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations." Jer. 1:5.

 

God "loved" his chosen prophets before they were born. The Bible confirms; God "loved" Jesus before the foundation of the world. (Jn. 17:24). This act of loving by an entity called God, undoubtedly proves that Jesus was not God "Himself", before he was born or after he was born. Jesus was a distinctly separate entity that was "being loved" by God, records this verse for the people who are upright and open minded.

 

King Melchizedek of Salem was an eternal priest with no records of his beginning and ending. (Heb. 7:1-3). No Christian would admit, based upon this stated of "eternal life span", that the King of Salem was God, so how can Jesus be who claimed his existence before Abraham?

 

The entire concept is based upon a simple conjecture. In the foot notes of Exodus 3:14 the editors of K.J.V. write;

 

"Jesus probably alluded to this name of God in John 8:58, 'Before Abraham was, I AM." The use of phrase "probably alluded" indicates; this does not happen to be an established truth or certainty.

The Greek words "ego eimi" are here translated as "I Am". However, the literal translation mentioned in the marginal notes of the New American Standard Bible reads; "I have been". Study Supportive Passage:

Repeating the same phrase "I am", Jesus said; "I am (he), and that I do nothing on my own; but as my Father has taught me, I speak these things." (John 8:28). God of Moses had no instructor. If he had one, then that entity would be the God's mentor or boss!

 

A question for you:

Jesus said; "If you abide in My word, then you are truly disciples of mine; and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free". When Jesus was asked: "What commandment is the foremost of all?" Jesus answered, "The foremost is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is One Lord; And you shall LOVE the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind and with all your strength." A TRUE DISCIPLE WOULD NOT DIVIDE HIS LOVE BETWEEN "LORD GOD" AND MESSIAH THAT WAS SANCTIFIED BY GOD. Jn.10:36.

I'm still deciding whether or not I should get into stuff like this as much as I once did, it seems mostly to just lead to arguing with no conclusion. I will say this which we should be all able to agree on: all religions cannot be right, nor can all philosophies or beliefs. The laws of logic tell us that mutually exclusive things can't be correct. God can't be all-good and all-evil, they are mutually exclusive concepts. God can't be all-powerful and semi-powerful, they are mutually exclusive concepts. Therefore if one religion says one thing that's mutually exclusive and another religion something mutually exclusive in the same category so that both can't be right, then by the laws of logic, only one of those religions can be right.

 

 

Therefore, not all religions can be right nor can they lead to God. Concerning Christianity, let me just say this: Anyone can die for what they believe while fighting. When you can find those who not only die for what they believe in, but do so peacefully while showing love, kindness, and even forgiveness for their enemies... what is more contrary to human nature?

 

Yes, there are many so-called Christians who do not do that, and fight rather then show peace. But there are also millions of Christians worldwide who die daily for their faith in Christ, and even love and forgive their enemies to the end. Jesus Himself said many who claim to follow Him would be liars or deceived (read Matthew 7). But what other religion so seems to have those who so deny the essential basics of human personality and nature? It is not merely Jesus and the disciples who died peacefully forgiving their enemies, but even today, people die in such ways every day for the name of Christ!

 

Could Napoleon be wrong?

 

He can be All Good. Evil is not the opposite of good but the absence of good. And nopolean is just a man of course he could be wrong.

 

Jesus reigns, no sence in debating what is insignificant. The Lord is commin back one day, if you reject that, your blind to the truth, and I pray with all of my heart you will see what blinds you.

He will come back but it depends on what you believe

 

 

Definitely! The anabaptists and others who preceded the Baptists of which I am called were quite strong on free will and freedom of religion. God has given us all the ability to choose or to reject Him, it is why we were able to do so at the beginning of creation. God didn't want mindless zombies or robots, He gave us free will so we could choose to love Him and have a relationship with Him, even though it meant we had the ability to reject Him. We weren't created with an innate sin nature or knowledge of evil, we didn't have an inclination to evil in the beginning. All that came only after we made a conscious choice to reject God and gain a knowledge of good... and EVIL so that we became truly corrupted, creatures of evil which God did not intend for us to become.

 

Yes that is entirely true! God gave us free will. We should use that free will to either accept or reject God.

 

I dont know why everyone over here is so much concerned about these religion things. I think religion's are there to help people in finding what is right and what is wrong and if I am correct every religion teaches one thing and that is PEACE and if everyone is teaching that then JOSHUA your point of mutually exclusive thingy is wrong because teachings of PEACE is not bad at all.

Secondly, why cant people just follow one religion and that is the religion of Humanity. I am Hindu but I have no problems in visiting a church or a mosque, I find same peace over there as I find in a temple.

 

So, why dont you guyz leave this topic of which religion is superior and which is not and rather think on these terms...Brotherhood and humanity and I am sure a person who will follow these will be loved by GOD.

Peace is the solution. Peace of the soul. Peace of the mind. Peace of our society.

bad luck brad is know offically the name!

It's stupid to flat out refuse to listen to or accept other points of view but whether a person decides to take up a particular point of view is up to them, regardless of whether it's good for them or not. It may not be rude to try and change someone's opinion, but it is rude to try and continue when the person makes it clear they're not interested in accepting the other view.

 

I completely agree.

 

at it's base it's almost the same:

 

don't kill

don't stole

believe in god

etc. etc.

 

"the Middle East are often more religious by alot then the western people. They do read the Qur'an and so on."

 

Yes, and they have a completly different culture. Also they have time to read holy texts, where people on the west don't have much free time. Also they should stop reading so much Qur'an (vide World Trade Center catastrophe).

Lol, usual ignorance. First of all the base is not the same. To the Muslims, the base of Islam is submission to ONE God. That is Islam summoned up. Second of all the Qur'an does not say anything about bombing or committing acts of violence except in self-defence. If you want to prove me wrong please try. And it is nothing to do with time. You think people sit around twidding their thumbs all day? They have work, they have a need for food and so on. They are exactly like western people, except they make time to pray. They act religious.

 

 

the problem with the world is that pretty much every religion thinks they are the "true" religion. This is shown from the original poster thinking that christianity could be the superior religion.

This is not the problem. Many Jews and Christians lived under the Ottoman empire for centuries. Just like many Muslims lived under the peacefulness for a few centuries. No, the problem is extremists. People who think they are so religious they have to break the rules to be religious. Like in Irobot, the film, the computer thought she needed to do so much good that she broke her own rules.

 

In fact, many religions are ALL Abrahamic religions. The only problem is that they all believe the "other" religion's books are not the "true" book. Muslims think the Quran is the true while christians think the bible is the true book.

Abrahamic religions would not agree with you except Judisiam. Christianity believes in the Torah, Old Testament, and Islam believes in the Bible as a (corrupt) Word of God.

 

If anything, the bible (or the Quran) is the wrong book because christianity is one of the youngest religions. I would assume if there were a god out there, the oldest book would be the most accurate. If there were a "true" book, the "true" book would likely be the oldest one where there have been less "interpretation" and loss.

 

Not really. Say for example the idea of conventional current. For hundreds of years in physics, people though current flowed from positive to negative. Infact recently it turned out they were wrong. That is an example of where the older is not correct while the younger is correct.

Also to make such a claim you need to know the religions and have studied them. Islam for example says that every nation recieved a prophet from God and each time more things were added. It says that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are three different versions of the same religion. It is a test from God.

Hindusim used to be like Judisiam. Infact the corrupt belief that they worship idols is incorrect. A knowledgeable hindu knows that they think Brahama is only God. A slightly less knowledgeable hindu will believe idols are the way to contact Brahama. A ignorant hindu will worship idols. Strangely enough though i do not want to create a debate about it in this topic, when you take the 'a' from the end of Brahama and put it at the beginning you get Abraham. Please do not debate about this here.

 

Some books that are hundreds of years older than the bible or the Quran are the Tanakh (Judaism), the Vedas (Hinduism), and the Taotejing (Taoism).

 

On top of that, there are religious texts that are not even used anymore because those religions are long gone.

It does not make these books invalid. The Bible whether you believe it is the Word of God, or it is a corrupt Word of God, or it is just a book does not affect the fact that many many prophecies such as Isreal would return to their holy land have come true. Just like in the Qur'an whether you believe it is true or not, cannot affect the scientific knowledge in that Book.

 

The question of who was "right" really is a non question. In reality, everyone was "right" because being right is a point of view. Ultimately, religion is an opinion on how one should live their life. If people viewed religion in this way rather than saying my religion is the one true religion, there would be less religious conflict.

It is not always a point of view. Would you say murder or perhaps even rape is wrong? Becuase if you did then you would contradicting your argument. There such a thing as right and wrong but not always.

 

Religion is a guide for people to live their lives and defines what is morally right and morally wrong. For example, the bible says that you can only marry one person (you cannot divorce) but mormons are allowed to have as many wives as they want. Clearly this is different. What is considered wrong in one person's eyes is perfectly acceptable in another.

 

The thing with religion is that it has not been updated for modern times; they probably worked a little better earlier on (but probably not much better). In today's world, religion should be changed. Not in what it preaches but HOW it preaches. There are some good values to learn from religion but it should be a spiritual guide rather than a moral guide.

 

I do not think religions need updating if they are from God but i completely agree with this 'how it preaches'.

 

Morality should be defined by society not by religion. The reason is simply because religion is not uniform. Not everyone belongs to the same religion. Back in the day, most people WERE in the same religion because there was not as much globalization going on. Society on the other hand includes everyone.

 

Ah, but society can be corrupt. For example in the united kingdowm many people think it is harmless to have a one night stand or have sex with someone before marriage. But suggest this to a true strict Christian and they will be horrified. Now i cannot say that sex before marriage because the western society as a whole does not think it is bad. Murder is bad but that may become good. It is impossible to tell someone to judge themselves by society when the society is doing exactly what their religion is saying NOT to do.

 

Of course, this is impossible because everyone already has preconceptions and prejudices based on their upbringing and their religious beliefs.

Yes.

 

[2]And those basically came from Judaism.

Have a nice day.

 

Damn and you are happy with such a unnatural life? Whole live comes from sexuality, every thing (yeah, i believe in freudism). If you live in sexual abstynency you almost aren't living. Are you even allowed to think about women?

 

Fruedism is just a theory and philopsical thought. He can only represent the western world because he never knew the history or modern day life of the Middle Eastern world. I do not think sexuality is the only way to fully live your life. Sex is basically right there in the moment and being in the heat of the moment. Or to create offspring. I am not saying it is a useless thing. I am just saying it is not the only way to live your life. I feel my life is pretty full.

 

 

Well me being a Roman Catholic says your not supposed to do that, but I mean I don't know what I'll do, but religion can't really control your life and stuff, its more of a personal decisision. I have studied muslim religion and stuff in World History I + Geography (Freshamn - High School). But can you explain the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite if you can, briefly thought, send me a PM if you don't want to post it here.

 

But how do you get married and stuff? Who chooses your wife?

 

Well actually you are not allowed to have sex before marriage. But if you mean dating then yeah supposed to. I do not see this as control but rather a privelge. It is hard to explain...

But in a more understandable thought, being chaste allows me to fully master my mind without having my thoughts on girls.

And if you need to know ANYTHING on Islam, just PM or post something on my forums at my website: http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/

Anyway i will PM you with info.

 

http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/934

 

"Sunni branch believes that the first four caliphs--Mohammed's successors--rightfully took his place as the leaders of Muslims" <> "Shiites, in contrast, believe that only the heirs of the fourth caliph, Ali, are the legitimate successors of Mohammed"

 

That is the original difference yes. But now it is different. Shiites believe that only some individuals can understand the Qur'an. Sunnis believe that all can understand the Qur'an.

 

Its pretty oppressive to humanity itself. Like those feelings of lust or whatever are natural and I"m sure you can surpress those in due time or already mastered the effect.

 

I don't know its just hard to live under that kind of strict teachings. I guess in a way its helps you wiht your religion. To be able to be more bound to the religion.

 

I don't think its wrong. I just think its a different lifestyle from what most people would live. I hope your parents pick you an okay girl.

 

It is not opressive. For you who has always been doing what you want, it is seems harsh. But now i realise it is good for me. For example if a child wants to eat a biscuit which only you know is poisoned, and you can only stop the child from eating, then that is what you will do. The same is with God. God knows the biscuit can look delicious and tasty but in truth would kill me. I try to follow Islam. Not looking at girls for example was hard at the beginning, but gradually the way i thought about this whole issue made it alot easier.

Hello,Me being a Muslim means certain rules apply. I am not allowed to date! You are all probaly all shocked and so on! Infact it makes me laugh .Anyway i suppose you want to know why: It is mainly because of the sex thing. Having sex while not married is quite close in the list of major sins to killing someone. Also Muslims are commanded to not look at the opposite sex. So i am not allowed to look at a girl for example and check if she is 'hot'. Anyway just wanted to see your reactions!

I would have to say, out of all the new-gen consoles, the Nintendo revolution controller is probably the best.
The PS3's looks like a bannana mixed with a boomerang, I don't know how i'm going to get used to it..

The xBox360 doesn't count since its just the same controller as the old xbox but with a paint job .

I completely agree. People are running out of ideas. I think i heard microsoft say they wanted xbox 360 to look like a toaster or something anyway.

I don't like the controller. Sure it is original. Sure it unique. But it is too small. I want a control that fits in my grip. Not a controller that is 2d.

Okay i just want to clear up a few wrong things.

T100: Christians are probably the only people who believe that a virgin can give birth to a baby

Actually Muslims believe that too.

Blacklaser: because essentially that is what religion is: brainwashing of the masses.

oh so i supose all the charity and love and forgiveness given out from religions should be stopped?

semeticsister: many people either had christianity forced upon them by a higher authority or converted so they could avoid persecution.

Only the masters. The slaves all wanted to convert. The masters did not want to. Although anyone can say this is because the religion says all are equal.

harad: Well I can just say that christianity at it's base is really the same as Islam or other religions. But you cannot forget those problems that christianity has faced over the years. The problem is that people don't read Bible, don't go to church, don't respect Ten Commandments, don't live in Marriage, etc., but they say that they belive in Jesus. Jesus said that we should christianize people and make charity all over the world, but people don't listen to words of wisdom anymore.

I would not agree with Islam being the same as Christianity. People from the Middle East and people who live in the Middle East are often more religious by alot then the western people. They do read the Qur'an and so on.
I think that religion is a truth not a choice. But I do not agree with that fact that people are forced into choosing one religion. My research shows me that Hinduism, Judisiam, Christianity, and Islam are all sides of the same religion. Yes even hinduism. It is quite old and has changed (alot) over time.
But on athiesm, i would not agree with harad. Atheism is more, "i will never believe in God because i do not want to!". Athiests do not want to believe in God. They do not want to dedicate their lives to someone else. I asked this one athiest about religion and they said: "it's rude to try and change my opinion" which is completely stupid because your opinion can be wrong.

I believe in a soul. Will you machine transport something spirtual? Nope. Only material. You don't want to trasport a zombie! By the way i will be your tester!

how about bad luck?Cos the guy had his farm stolen, and his arm broken. No wait, MaineFishing45 had a good idea. Mr Bad's bad luck. Okay that is bad lol. Any more ideas?

Hello, how are you all?I wrote this poem. But now i need a name. Anyone got any ideas? Review my poem while you are at it! Thanks :angry:hello my name is Dad,My nickname's Mr Bad,I have a great big fat orange cat,It likes to sit on the black mat,It likes to drink white milk,It likes to sit in silk,Today I ran into a fly,It hurt so much I had to cry,It's sad: my broken arm,Someone bad stole my farm,What happened to all my good luck?Where is my good fat buddy Chuck?My house is on the hill,My cat does not like to kill,I have a nice exicting job,Me and Chuck have a friend call Bob.Bob likes to soak his hair in gel,Bob does not think highly oh hell.Me and Bob and Chuck play gamesChuck has a son called James,Chuck's other son is called Ben,James and Ben have a rubbish den.All I want is a good old pie.This is bad, so this is goodbye!