ATMcGuire

A book that has been around for a while and mostly just discusses evidence for Jesus life on earth is The Third Day by Sir Arnold Lunn. If you are actually to read it, it has pretty strong arguements for basically the most important part of Christianity there is. That Jesus existed and was who he said he was and was crucified for us. Link to the text. But others who run across, I did not mean this topic to be Christian at all. So please post.

I think as far as TV goes, there is only one person I would let my children watch. If you take Pat Robertson for example, he makes the news basically only when he is making a fool of himself and other Christians. And there are always ridiculous things on some of those channels... like a guy preaching to his church that the Catholic church was the anti-Christ.It turns out that many times some of these Penecostal people are so focused on their 'God' that they forget his purpose's. I am not sure, but it seems to me that many of them talk much more about helping people than they actually do. I am on the Penecostal side of things kinda and this is part of what I see wrong with things.

I think the trick there is all in the wording. God one bright sunny morning decided it would be a good time to make time. and then he was thinking, 'I think a Universe sounds good right now, or at least what the humans I will make in it will know it as. ...Wait i didnt know that I was going to make humans, oh wait, I did know.. I have always known that.' I hope God show me the equations for what He did--some fine day in the timeless heavens.

I tried to read the main topic and could not make any sense of it so I will just reply to this... How I understand the Trinity is that you can look at a human being as body, mind, and soul/spirit. And the trinity is a similar thing.. Jesus being the body and so on. Your body is a completly different than your mind in it function and can be uniquely identified by its functions. In the same way, the Trinity is comprised of three identities of God but that are each only one part of God. Other people around you can identify you by your body, but they could also identify you by listening to what you say... what is the content of your mind. In the same way I can identify the three different parts of God, even though they are all the same God. thats always clarified it for me, i guess. your question about the passion of the christ. I do not believe that while Jesus was on earth he was all knowing. When He prayed to God, he was just as weak and uncertian as any other human. When he says Father he is praying to God in heaven. And Jesus did say that he was the Son of God. He also said that He was sent of the sins of this world. Which sins? All of them. Everything that separates flawed and sinful humans from a prefect God. yeah.. so thank you.

I just read the topic about Christianity that sounded like it was started by a middle school kid. This topic is to redeem the discussion of religion and creeds. This is not a reply, but it is an initiative to start an intelligent discussion of religion or creeds. This is a question to each person who reads this to tell the world what it is they believe and why. What experiences in your life led you to these creeds? What group or people do you tend to disagree with most? Note: Please distinguish between Atheist and Agnostic. I have talked to many people who call themselves atheists but just spend all their time trying to disprove other religions while not having a single conclusive reason for calling themselves Atheists. An atheist is a person who finds it so unlikely for a higher power to exist that they refuse to believe one exists or that they feel they have evidence to prove one doesnt exist. An agnostic is a person who doesnt believe there is any or enough proof to establish a higher being. My response to my own question: Now I am a Christian. I hope I dont say anything as mindless as that my religion or myself because of my religion is superior. In fact, I dont really believe that it is beneficial to me at all. That isnt the job of religion. I am a Christian because I believe it is true. If you want to know why read The Third Day by Sir Arnold Lunn (its been a while) and Mere Christianity. But also what was more important to my conversion actually happening is that really messed up stuff happened to me and my family that made me really look at what is right and what is wrong. I do not think we evolved a conscience; Otherwise it would be different... or maybe look at it this way. If we were to continue evolving, men are going to turn into people who just try to have sex with as many different women as possible. Our society supports fatherless children, and so we will either have that OR individuals will decide for themselves. I learned from the father roles in my life, not by their example, but by their counter example. I know what is right and wrong, its not something that my father passed on to me or something culture instilled in me. It isnt what church taught me... It is what I know I need to do to live my whole life infront of the world and not be ashamed. Ok so if I look at the Bible and what Jesus said; I find that what I believe to be right or wrong is verified by what I read. Take lust for example. It is easy to think that its impossible not to and as it is unavoidable it must be ok to do. But it is equally easy to not want your girly to want other guys. And so there is a disconnect. We know what is right but we cannot do it. It is this disconnect that I believe a perfect man, a humiliated God died for. I am not trying to convert anyone. I believe in what is steady and unchanging in Christianity. Not the fads. For example in the 70s and early 80s it was popular to try to convert people by saying that God had a plan and purpose for their lives. It is just retarded to say that to someone. Or Jesus wants a personal relationship with you. It is like saying 'Billy has a plan and purpose for your life.' I think I would slap the person that said that to me. Its like just some trick that you would pull on a monkey to take advantage of their curiosity. Oooo.. Here is another one of those I really hate. 'Jesus will fill the void inside of you.' For me it is more like Jesus taught me to not think like a hedonist and know that a void inside of me is something deficient with my personality not something I need to encounter and consume. Lots of Christians are fat. If they really trusted God to fill the void they would stop stuffing their faces. Do you know what would hit the spot right now??? A cold beer, a T-Bone steak, and my girly having sex with me right now. If God's purpose was to fill the void then Ronald McDonald would be a holy prophet. So as for the Christian conservative majority, I disagree. For beliefs and morality based on rationality, personal responsibility, and a care for other people, I agree.