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magnafrost

@Anwii.You learn and then taught math? No offense but I would stay out of those institutes. First of all, you are NOT seeing the logic here. 1/1 = 1; 2/2 = 1; 3/3 =1; and so on! When you are talking about ratios and percentages, the numbers cancel out. Which is why it does not make any difference is the number wd is choosing is 0.5,1,2,4 or 100,200,400,800. They cancel out. The only mistake we made was in assuming that you would know this. We had already pointed out enough times that it was about the ratio and not the numbers. If you are unable to understand that, I suggest you take(as in attend) a course in algebra, and try using the numbers 1x,2x,4x,8x. They'd cancel out and you would get the same result. If you are going to not understand why this x also comes into the picture, it is the end of discussion. Go to some math site, I havent had to because I dont have a problem with numbers. Your problem is, you call it kiddie math and you are applying the same amount of logic that a 4 year old kid would be able to. Grow up and see that you are wrong and accept it. I am sorry for being a little harsh but it is very obvious that you are being adamant on not accepting that you are wrong. Ask experts, learn that and you don't even have to accept that here. Lets call this the end of the discussion.@wdGive it up. I do not see how we can explain it any better. Someone who he accepts is better than math than him needs to talk to him, and not us.


anwiii

i said that before and i will repeat it, SINCE THE NUMBER OF LINES IN EACH POSTS IN A GROUP ARE DOUBLE THAN THE PREVIOUS THEREFOR I DOUBLED THE RATIO EACH TIME TO BE(0.5,1,2,4).

ahhh! ok. so you are assuming that each post in each group is double. i get ya now. so much for assuming. you are wrong in your assumptions there

and i didn't came up with this ratio according to the highest number, but according the logic of double in lines = double in ratio, and YOUR RATIO PROVE THAT I AM RIGHT, bear with me hear, you suggested to change the ratio to be (0.25,0.50,1,2)and get these results


i think i get you now. you think each group should double in value because you assume a doubled value based on the highest post in a group. hmmm. i would love to agree with you but unfortunately i cant. first, 2-5,5-10,10-20, and 20-40 do all double if you take the HIGHEST #. but you can't take the highest # when this highest # in one group is also the lowest # in another group. even if you put 1-5, 6-10,11-20,21-40 the highest #'s may double but that doesn't prove the group is doubling. there are 5 #'s in 1-5 which means the odds of posting a post with any of those lines in it is 1 out of 5 times. repeat. you can only assume you will be posting that highest # 1 out of 5 times! 6-10, same odds. the interesting part comes now. with 11-20, the odds of posting a 20 line post within that group is 1 out of ten times! in group D, the odds of posting a 40 line post is 1 out of 20 times. you are only taking 5 figures to assume each group is doubling. the total odds of this happening is 5 times out of 40. those are pretty low odds to make assumptions wd.

if you continue then you will get THE SAME RESULTS AS MINE.
o.144*17.50 = 2.52
0.144*100 = 14.4
0.144*100 = 14.4
0.144*60 = 8.64

and these are EXACTLY THE SAME RESULTS I GOT for each group and which they will equal finally 40$

same as your second ratio (1,2,4,8)


0.036*70 = 2.52
0.036*400 = 14.4
0.036*400 = 14.4
0.036*240 = 8.64

also EXACTLY the same value that i got for each group, and their summation will be approximately 40$.

the difference in value of each post every time because YOU USED DIFFERENT RATIO every time but THE RESULTS ARE THE SAME because you are standing on the same basis in here.


n ow we are getting to the nitty gritty!. you see, i look at your title and it says "how to calculate the average from different data inputs". in fact, your whole proof isn't even doubling as you say it is because you are missing math. the ONLY thing that i see doubling is the HIGHEST lines per post # in each group. but i already proved the odds of any one post in that group. even if the odds were 50-50 in each group that the largest post would be posted in each group, it still VERY unlikey that each group is double the worth. you aren't even trying to prove an average. you said it yourself. so why the title to calculate an AVERAGE? all you are trying to prove is that each group should be worth double than the next group. that isn't claculating an average! haha

and all these ratios lead to the result that i want to prove which is
if i wrote a post from (group A) that's mean a post from 2-5 lines this post will equal or earn mycent HALF the post from group B and quarter the post from group C and quarter the quarter the post of group D.


i think you meant to say 1/8 of group d as what you are saying, group d hold 8x the value of group a. but i already proved you were wrong. the odds of any one post hitting that top post in any one group is RARE! it's 5/40 or 12.5% chance.

foe explaining in another way, writing 200 posts from 5-10 lines will equal 100 posts from 10-20 lines, why? because the value of the posts from 10-20 lines is double the value of posts from 5-10 lines. and the posts from 10-20 lines earn mycent double what the posts from 5-10 lines earned.

you don't have to explain it another way. you keep repeating the wrong logic over and over again in this group doubling theory of yours

i hope that PROVED my idea, and i hope i made myself clear.

actually haven't proved anything by your math. you haven't proven that each group is doubled, you haven't proven that .076 is the AVERAGE mycents earned per post if someone posted 400 posts and recieved $40 mycents, and you sure as heck didn't prove that taking the highest value in each group is the correct way to do this math. really, you haven't proved a thing. although, i can discredit ever step of your logic. i thought this was a proof to show the everage mycents earned per post. it turned out to be a post to try to prove that each group doubles in value
now i want to run a more realistic scenario by you. if we are going by 400 posts, then you have to take in the laws of odds and averages which dictate if you flip a coin 1,000,000,000 times, you should notice that the coin lands on heads almost 50% of the time and it lands on tails almost 50% of the time. so we take this same law in to effect with your proof. with 400 posts, 10 will be 1 liners, 10 will be 2 liners, 10 will be 3 liners, 10 will be 4 liners, 10 will be a 5 line post, etc...etc...all the way to your 40 line post. if we use this law of odds and averages which i am sure you would never argue, in group a, you would have a total of 150 lines in group A, 400 lines in group b, 1550 lines in group c, and 6100 lines in group d. this actually proves by the LAWS of odds and averages that each group does NOT double in value. you are not using correct math OR and logic to prove any point. whether it's proving average mycents per post OR proving each group doubles in value. what you are doing is ASSUMING by taking the highest # post in each group and YOU CANNOT ASSUME when you are trying to prove anything and you cannot take only a PARTIAL bit of any one group to try and prove a point.

now that we know that each group does not double in value and this was the only thing you were trying to prove and not the AVERAGE as you stated in your title, we can now lay this thread to rest. i mean, if you are going to argue my proof, you are arguing with the law of odds and averages, wd. and if you ARE going to keep arguing, then whatever your proof is, state it in a way that doesn't go against proven laws in math.

@Anwii.You learn and then taught math? No offense but I would stay out of those institutes

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magnafrost, where in the world did you ever get that i taught math or majored in math? i said i will never brag about majoring in math or teaching math. i never did. math was just a hobby of mine when i was learning to code at the age of 16 and then later on when trying to figure out casino odds. web designer stated that she taught math and was a math major in the chat room. i am not one to try and build up my credentials. also, what do you mean you would stay out of those institutions? i should stay out of school? why do you say that? that makes absolutely no sense bud. i don't take offense to ridiculous comments, sorry :) and yup! kiddie math. i am sorry you had to follow the band wagon of misinformation. i also think my math is better than a 4 year old but your statement just proves my point that you don't know what you're talking about either :)

web_designer

god anwiii, why can't you understand what i am talking about, if you said it is a kiddie math then you should understand it.

and i told you i didn't came up with these values according the highest but you keep on repeating that i am. BUT I AM NOT.

and why you keep on digging in small details to prove i am wrong?
it is called hypothesis, and hypothesis created to prove the wrong and the right of the formulas, and in hypothesis we use general information and factors not digging for every single detail.

and your example about flipping the coin is COMPLETELY not related to the whole subject. because flipping coins results only two option either head or tail, and there's absolutely any other factor that will change the result so no similarity in here at all.

whereas i took the calculating the student degree for example because it is the same data.
a student has many subjects and each subject has a certain amount of hours that differs from the other subjects, to calculating the average we should took those hours in consideration.

same as the example here, we have posts that have different amount of lines in each post which should took in consideration when we calculate the average. this is the similarity between them.

AND REALLY, if you still look at it as a kiddie math, then this is the end for me here and i won't reply anymore. i PROVED my idea and i have nothing to say more.

@wdGive it up


i am magnafrost, i won't explain anymore because I EXPLAINED ENOUGH AND PROVED WHAT I MEANT, and thank you for your help in here.

I thought it would just be about math and sat out of it, but from your discussions it looks like you slowly drifted back towards the mycent issue again. I hope you resolve this thing soon 'coz it seems to be getting a bit too complicated for everyone!

yes simpleton, it is all about math but we took mycent as an example so it is obviously to talk about mycent right :) and sorry if this discussion bothers you, i told everyone in the beginning that this will give you a headache ;).

web designer stated that she taught math and was a math major in the chat room


said that between us anwiii when we wer chatting, and i said it to state a fact that i know what i an talking about and one of my majors was the math but i never taught math i only taught computer science. but i was calculating students degrees that way, it was a long and complicated way and i hated it but it was the way for calculating the averages of students in college, so don't take it personal please i never underestimate you i know you are smart enough to discuss with me here, so don't take it personally and this is THE END for me now. things getting out of control in here. i stated what i believe and that's it. i will only reply to anyone else who will ask something about my math.

deadmad7

@ magnafrost , thank you for your explanation you are FULLY understood me in here.

 

deadmad, i didn't start a topic to prove that anwiii is wrong, this is too childish and silly. do you think i am a child or silly?

it is a discussion to exchange knowledge, maybe i am wrong not anwiii, we are discussing to get the right way to get the average this way, and again please pay attention, it is all about math not abut how mycent works? i don't care how it works but i care the way we doing math in here, so i hope you get me in here, and thank you for your reply.

 

Well, it does seem like your are childish and silly -- the whole reason of you starting this topic was to prove everyone wrong -- and even after Anwiii did it the way you did it (which is the out of reach method, you say that it is still wrong, who might be 'childish' and 'silly' here? I don't think you are-- but this topic is.

 

'The Right Way' to get the answer is 40/400= 0.1 mycents, it IS the right way to find the average of all your POSTS. IT IS MORE ABOUT HOW MYCENTS WORKS REALLY, that is the whole little problem here, why can't you just see that you average .1 cents a post? Are you afraid of or something? It's the best of everyone in the forums... $40 bucks in 2 months from the INTERNET? That's hella good.


web_designer

Well, it does seem like your are childish and silly

thank you for your kind reply deadmad.

deadmad7

thank you for your kind reply deadmad.

Please read the rest of the paragraph where it clearly says "i dont think you are -- but this topic is". Is that why your mad at me? I think you just didnt read the end of the paragraph or i shiuld have wrote it more understandable ;)

web_designer

Please read the rest of the paragraph where it clearly says "i dont think you are -- but this topic is". Is that why your mad at me? I think you just didnt read the end of the paragraph or i shiuld have wrote it more understandable

well, i did, but you already said that i am silly and childish in the first and explaining later that my topic is childish and silly make things even more worse. and if you think so, please re think again because in this forum i wrote some silly topics that lead absolutely FOR NO WHERE, but i never called them silly because i should respect other people's opinions and thoughts even if i thought they are useless but they did make sense to them. so, if i can't respect their ideas then i shouldn't expect them to respect mine.

anwiii

i am magnafrost, i won't explain anymore because I EXPLAINED ENOUGH AND PROVED WHAT I MEANT, and thank you for your help in here.


actually, you didn't prove a thing, but think what you want :) yes....thank you for supporting wd, magnafrost. she needed all the help she could get haha

anyway, i would do the correct math in evaluating the laws of odds and averages as i mentioned in my last post to prove your math wrong, but i seriously don't want to waste anymore of my time on this. you will find some other way to argue that odds and averages shouldn't fit in with what you are trying to say.

The Simpleton

actually, you didn't prove a thing, but think what you want :) yes....thank you for supporting wd, magnafrost. she needed all the help she could get haha
anyway, i would do the correct math in evaluating the laws of odds and averages as i mentioned in my last post to prove your math wrong, but i seriously don't want to waste anymore of my time on this. you will find some other way to argue that odds and averages shouldn't fit in with what you are trying to say.



You seriously don't want to waste any more of your time? Hmm this topic has run into two pages already so it seems too many people have free time on their hands! I hope you all reach a conclusion soon - this show is starting to get a bit boring now :P

web_designer

this show is starting to get a bit boring now

yeah i know that simpleton, and thank you to pass by even when it get you boring :P , just kidding. but really even i won't argue more, and it seems like the topic will end like that: every one have his own point of view and insist on it. and that's make me remember what one of my teachers told me before, he said that math is like a maze so confusing and long way to reach the end but finally all the ways lead to the end. :)

The Simpleton

yeah i know that simpleton, and thank you to pass by even when it get you boring :P , just kidding. but really even i won't argue more, and it seems like the topic will end like that: every one have his own point of view and insist on it. and that's make me remember what one of my teachers told me before, he said that math is like a maze so confusing and long way to reach the end but finally all the ways lead to the end. :)



Actually I was quite enjoying the show, even though I couldn't understand it much to give a sensible reply - I was just enjoying it as a spectator, and in the end it was stretching up a bit too much. So it's best if we let the issue die down gradually so that everyone cools down :)

web_designer

Actually I was quite enjoying the show, even though I couldn't understand it much to give a sensible reply - I was just enjoying it as a spectator, and in the end it was stretching up a bit too much. So it's best if we let the issue die down gradually so that everyone cools down :)


yeah i agree, and thank you for being a good and silent spectator :) being there to follow the discussion is better than close the topic i guess :) i know a lot get bored and did that :D .

magnafrost

Hehe , yes. And I've actually started admiring both anwii and wd, (and partially hate :P). Being able to have that firm belief that you are right, and fighting for it! Good going guys! But this topic will not reach a consensus unless we can all sit together in the same room and talk, which I guess is next to impossible. If someone can figure out a way to get close to that, we should try it sometime :)


deadmad7

But this topic will not reach a consensus unless we can all sit together in the same room and talk, which I guess is next to impossible. If someone can figure out a way to get close to that, we should try it sometime :)

It's something very close to possible. We could imagine that the ChatRoom was actually a 'room'... but if you decide that you are too old to be pretending, we could just use skype or gtalk or ytalk and just talk through video... but as you all should know -- my identity should remain classified, so I'm gonna wear a potato sack on my head and talk through oinking morse code.

web_designer

Hehe , yes. And I've actually started admiring both anwii and wd, (and partially hate ). Being able to have that firm belief that you are right, and fighting for it! Good going guys! But this topic will not reach a consensus unless we can all sit together in the same room and talk, which I guess is next to impossible. If someone can figure out a way to get close to that, we should try it sometime

GREAT IDEA, this is the best idea i've heard till now :P .

ok so we will go to a nice coffee shop or a library, me, anwiii and you,hmmm i will invite opaque too to help about the mycent how it work. and i will invite bani, chini, and hurt4love too (the whole gang :D ) and discuss about that and drink coffee and latte :) . i am sure it will be the best time ever.

btw: i should invite other people to avoid us me and anwiii from fighting there, and avoid myself from using my PHP book in a wrong way ;) , because i will bring it with me.

and all that will remind me with the seminars in college, when the evil teacher gives us a program to do or an assignment and tell us to discuss and get him the solution. but i am sure this is will be much more fun from these boring seminars :P .

anyone else want to join us???

It's something very close to possible. We could imagine that the ChatRoom was actually a 'room'... but if you decide that you are too old to be pretending, we could just use skype or gtalk or ytalk and just talk through video... but as you all should know -- my identity should remain classified, so I'm gonna wear a potato sack on my head and talk through oinking morse code.

hahaa, this is so funny deadmad,and this will be a version of a horror movie :P . no, i invite you to join us in the coffee shop or the library but please don't wear a potato sack or you will scare everyone else.

deadmad7

hahaa, this is so funny deadmad,and this will be a version of a horror movie :P . no, i invite you to join us in the coffee shop or the library but please don't wear a potato sack or you will scare everyone else.

 

Thanks for invite :D But where are we going meet? Somewhere close to los angeles, chilowhee, turkey and india... which would put us somewhere like this -

 

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That'll be fun! Coffee in the Middle of Africa! Im looking forward to meeting you all :P

web_designer

Thanks for invite :D But where are we going meet? Somewhere close to los angeles, chilowhee, turkey and india... which would put us somewhere like this -

 

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That'll be fun! Coffee in the Middle of Africa! Im looking forward to meeting you all :P

 

oh great so we end up in africa, hahaaa.

not bad, but i think it is so hot there, so anwiii, hurt4love, bani and you will melt :P . i don't know about magnafrost, where he or she from? so maybe he or she will melt too. and me, opaque and chini will be the only survivors. in fact i can't stand a lot of sun so i will be like a shadow there, whereas opaque and chini will drink coffee and have a good time :).


magnafrost

Thanks for invite :D But where are we going meet? Somewhere close to los angeles, chilowhee, turkey and india... which would put us somewhere like this -

 

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That'll be fun! Coffee in the Middle of Africa! Im looking forward to meeting you all :P

 

I'm just glad it wasn't a little more to the west and putting us in the Ocean :D Africa sounds just about right! We could go hunting for blood diamonds after coffee if any of you are interested :P

 

Skype sounds good but we'll be missing out on the super cool oinking action live :)


web_designer

I'm just glad it wasn't a little more to the west and putting us in the Ocean Africa sounds just about right! We could go hunting for blood diamonds after coffee if any of you are interested

HUNTING FOR BLOOD DIAMONDS!!!!! :o
oh no,no,no, thank you, i am not interested. and apparently, you are a guy, so took the other guys and go for hunting,me and the girls will stay in the coffee shop. and if you've been eaten by a wild animal. you can blame the math that brings you there :D .

magnafrost

HUNTING FOR BLOOD DIAMONDS!!!!! :o oh no,no,no, thank you, i am not interested. and apparently, you are a guy, so took the other guys and go for hunting,me and the girls will stay in the coffee shop. and if you've been eaten by a wild animal. you can blame the math that brings you there :D .



Wow.. I was gonna edit my previous post to say that I am a 'he'. But looks like my post made it obvious anyway! And no no .. we'll definitely blame you coffee shop people who are supposed to warn us :P

And oh yes .. lets not forget to look up the list of coffee shops before we leave and decide on the best one :P