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velma

Hello,Now that OpaQue has successfully gotten mycents up and running, Me and Opa will be adding the rules and regulations for a mycents client. Before that I would like to know your opinions as to how we can manage this :-1. Any member caught spamming be it copy/pasting or posting more than 3 one liners he will be warned and suspended for 2 days. This has to be strictly followed to make sure that no one tries to cheat my cents.2. Email address(Xisto and billing email address) should not be changed by any member unless he sends a support ticket.**Spins the bottle** now it's your turn :)


serverph

actually, my head is still spinning and can't still fully wrap my heads around myCENTS. i'll pass at the moment.

 

*spins the bottle again*


Dooga

Because myCENTS can actually allow users to buy domains and actually cost Xisto money, we have to come up with some way to prevent a user to suddenly make $10 in one day with spam, then buying a domain and transfer it. Does anyone have any ideas on how we can do that?


velma

BWA hA HA HA HA HA HA .. Domains have registrar locks preventing any kind of PDA. So No more touchy touchy when a trapper buys a domain using CREDIT. Maybe I'll forgive the admins and mods :)But on a serious note, keeping the member domains stuck to us is not a problem. The problem is making sure that no one spams the board.


truefusion

1. Any member caught spamming be it copy/pasting or posting more than 3 one liners he will be warned and suspended for 2 days. This has to be strictly followed to make sure that no one tries to cheat my cents.

I think suspension is a bit much; posting disability would be better, especially for reading moderator/admin notes in their warnings and PMs from moderators/admins. But even with a posting disability it may be too much. myCENTs don't decrease everyday like credits do (from what i understand), so i don't really understand the suspension, especially since it prevents the member from actually trying to post better for a couple of days. What would be better is if the new credit system takes into consideration warning levels, therefore charging a tax to their newly earned myCENTs as punishment. Taxes would increase as the warning level increases. Also, i'm assuming that spam-canning the post/topic or deleting them decreases the user's myCENTs, therefore making suspension (or posting disabilities) much.

velma

Well, as far as the credits go Shree's script automatically deducts credits if a user's post is transferred to the Spam can or is deleted. I just want to avoid the spammers who get away with the rubbish they post as it makes it easier for my team and me to manage the billing database.

 

Heck, even I feel suspension is a bit too far because everyone takes time to post right. I too was one of the noobs a long time ago :)BUT being mods we should be able to find out the motives of any member by looking at his first 10 posts.So the only thing I can recommend is that any one who has a post count above 5 should be dealt with strictly. You need not warn them but we need to make sure that they are posting right.


jlhaslip

Question: does the Credit Script have a minimum Characters or minimum number of words before the MyCents are calculated?Can it be made such that the posts that are less than a certain number of characters or words are not given any MyCents? That would eliminate the one-liner Spam.I understand the problem Velma is suggesting as follows:Newbie visits here and registers. Makes 5 crappy posts so that they are now qualified for MyCents and a Billing Account. Cuts and Pastes a whole series of Spam Topics or Posts to earn MyCents. Waits 5 hours, purchases a Domain and Hosting Account with the Spamalicious posts.A Moderator wakes up in the morning, or Logs on to review things, and finds all the Spam, sends it to the Spam Bucket, and the MyCents or Xisto Dollars decrease accordingly.The dilemma is that the Hosting Account or Domain is now improperly purchased, since the Member no longer has earned enough XistoDollars to accomodate the purchases...I see two seperate issues at play here.Firstly, the Spam Rules are in effect and the Spam posts must be handled accordingly, the credits earned should be subtracted with a 'bonus' amount deducted as per the Forum Rules and the Credit Script. That is the Moderator's responsibility to keep the standards for posting high and not allowing for the Members to earn MyCents (and thereby XistoDollars) fraudulently (strong word). The Spam rules allow for Moderator discretion in certain regards vis-a-vis the Spam Rules. Cut and Paste/Plagiarism is handled by issuing a Warning and moving the Posting to the Bucket, or deleting the Post, or issuing a Suspension of the Member's Posting ability, depending on the nature and severity of the Spam. At that point, the Mod's duty is over, done, complete. Secondly, of course, we (Members and Mods) are all obligated to Opaque/Xisto/Xisto for providing this great service, so how to handle the Accounts is paramount to ours, and Xisto's, best interest. But, the Account creation/approvals/set-up is an Administrative function handled by the Xisto - Support Staff. :grin: Moderators have zero input into the Accounts... and likely should not have, either, IMHO. The Moderator's function is to maintain the Forum Rules and to ensure the 'standards' of posting are maintain... so.... with this clear separation of duties between the Mods and Support Staff, how do the two come together to protect the interests of Xisto?I would suggest that the Mods continue to operate within the Forum Policies for handling the Spam, and operating the Forum as they have been accustomed to doing. The Support Staff, or the Xisto Credit System, should be responsible for checking things like the negative or minus status of the member's purchases. Can the Scripts include a lock on the Hosting Account (or something like that) for members abusing the system as described above? Or can the script perform a check at the end of the time period between members requesting a service and the actual implementation of the Service to see if the Member's XistoDollars is sufficient to proceed with the purchase? I know that there was a time lag between the purchase of my Domain recently, and I still do not have the Login information for the Hosting package I have requested... Have the script check before issuing the Invoices and providing the access to the Services.Those are my thoughts.


truefusion

The 4–5 hour interval will provide some time for us to pin point which posts are one-liners or spam, and, with all the invoices, so should the time before the invoices get checked out—that is, if not done by a script. But there's still bound to be some posts to be missed; however, if you subscribe to Latest posts, you can decrease the probably. If it sounds excessive to do so, it's one of the best ways to keep track of all incoming posts.

As it is, i would say there are more to suggest for the myCENTs system than to the rules concerning it. To add to the suggestions, though, we should also be encouraging the users more a bit to report posts that they rate as spam. I noticed that some of the one-liner posts i've dealt with a user had already rated it as spam but the post was not reported. We already know of some of the loop-holes in the current myCENTs system, as already mentioned in this topic, but is there anything else that is known but have not been made public to the staff for staff to watch out for until, say, it gets fixed?


OpaQue

I think suspension is a bit much; posting disability would be better, especially for reading moderator/admin notes in their warnings and PMs from moderators/admins. But even with a posting disability it may be too much. myCENTs don't decrease everyday like credits do (from what i understand), so i don't really understand the suspension, especially since it prevents the member from actually trying to post better for a couple of days. What would be better is if the new credit system takes into consideration warning levels, therefore charging a tax to their newly earned myCENTs as punishment. Taxes would increase as the warning level increases. Also, i'm assuming that spam-canning the post/topic or deleting them decreases the user's myCENTs, therefore making suspension (or posting disabilities) much.

Deleting a Post / Moving it to SPAM will decrease member myCENTS. That's why MyCENT was introduced in the first place. Before the money gets credited to Xisto - Support, it should be easier to deduct credits incase we find a user spamming.

 

WARN LEVELS are considered and cause member to get less myCENTS

Present Warn level consideration causes a SLIGHT decrease in the amount of myCENTS offered per post.

 

I was thinking on the terms that, if WARN level is more than 0. Then user does not earn anything (and existing credited funds would be immediately removed) at Xisto - Support.com/billing/; Until this member approaches a moderator and actually gets his account fixed, till then he is stuck.

 

Question: does the Credit Script have a minimum Characters or minimum number of words before the MyCents are calculated?

Question: Can it be made such that the posts that are less than a certain number of characters or words are not given any MyCents? That would eliminate the one-liner Spam.


Answer 1:

No minimum character limit as of now. In my opinion, some great members with ONE LINE "Correct" answer can stop a 10 page running discussion. I have seen this myself and I do not believe in size of post to match the quality.

 

Answer 2:

One liner spam do not add to much of myCENT credits. A user will have to really spam a lot of make it all worthwhile. One Liner Spammers are easier to track. The spammers which are difficult are PLAGGERS. I was trying to build a function to communicate with google api and check plags using their search engine. Google Code discontinued that service. :P So, for the moment, anyone who can give me an API to a good search engine where lines of text can be crossed checked on the Web for plag would be COOL! :)

 

HOW TO HANDLE SPAMMERS?

 

1. A spammer posts X random copy-paste posts and signs up with same e-mail on Xisto - Support and gets myCENTS and proceeds for activation.

2. A member making 5 posts only get eligible for myCENTS but not necessarily means that he gets 2-3 USD in his account. Its imp. to communicate to him about his eligibility. And I want this -automated-.

 

- things that will happen at Xisto - Support.com -

 

1. The member cannot buy domain as he will really have to post a lot and I m sure, we will catch him by the time he gets ready to buy a domain.

2. If the member has even 1 WARN level, We shall not activate his account. (we get to see this in our Billing Area)

3. To Gain services of Xisto - Support, a user must have his WARN level 0. Warn level can be easily checked, inside Xisto - Support.com

 

I would suggest that the Mods continue to operate within the Forum Policies for handling the Spam, and operating the Forum as they have been accustomed to doing. The Support Staff, or the Xisto Credit System, should be responsible for checking things like the negative or minus status of the member's purchases. Can the Scripts include a lock on the Hosting Account (or something like that) for members abusing the system as described above? Or can the script perform a check at the end of the time period between members requesting a service and the actual implementation of the Service to see if the Member's XistoDollars is sufficient to proceed with the purchase? I know that there was a time lag between the purchase of my Domain recently, and I still do not have the Login information for the Hosting package I have requested... Have the script check before issuing the Invoices and providing the access to the Services.

SUGGESTIONS

 

I feel, We can EXPLOIT the "warn" feature as a medium to signal FORUM <-> SUPPORT-TEAM

 

My Suggestions

Warn Level 1 -> No Domain Related Activation

Warn Level 2 -> No Hosting as well as Domain Related Activation.

Warn Level 3 or more -> No Support Applicable for member.



truefusion


Deleting a Post / Moving it to SPAM will decrease member myCENTS. That's why MyCENT was introduced in the first place. Before the money gets credited to Xisto - Support, it should be easier to deduct credits incase we find a user spamming.

 

WARN LEVELS are considered and cause member to get less myCENTS

Present Warn level consideration causes a SLIGHT decrease in the amount of myCENTS offered per post.



 

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I was thinking on the terms that, if WARN level is more than 0. Then user does not earn anything (and existing credited funds would be immediately removed) at Xisto - Support.com/billing/; Until this member approaches a moderator and actually gets his account fixed, till then he is stuck.


 

Slightly strictâthe general reason for decreasing warning levels has been due to observable effort on the user's side. Not earning any myCENTs would discourage the user from posting (unless perhaps they really want hosting here; but then, knowing that they won't earn any myCENTs, as users who receive a warning would make this known, their posts would lack some form of quality, for there is no reward, therefore not really giving a reason for a moderator or admin to remove the warning). The only other method(s) of reducing warning levels would be if the the moderator or admin decided to show some grace to the user after a PM from the user that they are apologetic, or if a moderator decides "it's been long enough"âbut by then would the user care for hosting anymore?

 



My Suggestions

Warn Level 1 -> No Domain Related Activation

Warn Level 2 -> No Hosting as well as Domain Related Activation.

Warn Level 3 or more -> No Support Applicable for member.


 


 

Assuming the member already had their account activated (as this appears to be doing), i suppose it is fair. That would (may) also mean that the user would still have hosting and therefore is required to pay as per invoice. But considering the no-myCENT-increase-due-to-warning suggestion, i would say at WL2 or WL3 should be where to consider such a suggestionâto prevent them from earning myCENTs at one of these levels.



OpaQue

Slightly strictthe general reason for decreasing warning levels has been due to observable effort on the user's side. Not earning any myCENTs would discourage the user from posting (unless perhaps they really want hosting here; but then, knowing that they won't earn any myCENTs, as users who receive a warning would make this known, their posts would lack some form of quality, for there is no reward, therefore not really giving a reason for a moderator or admin to remove the warning). The only other method(s) of reducing warning levels would be if the the moderator or admin decided to show some grace to the user after a PM from the user that they are apologetic, or if a moderator decides "it's been long enough"but by then would the user care for hosting anymore?

Credit System Update:
For now, members who have their warn level more than 1 will not get their myCENTS converted. This does not stop them however from earning myCENTS. :-)

BuffaloHelp

I have another suggestion if possible.If a member earns 100 myCENTS from 10 posts (in an average of 10 myCENTs per post). And out of that 10 posts, 5 were spams.When we moderate this 5 spam posts, I think it should reflect on myCENT. If all 10 posts were spam it sould reflect on myCENT and Billing. This meaning, if myCENTs were taken away by moderating posts, when it goes in backwards direction, each negative direction it goes should deduct $1 from Billing.This way, moderators still have saying in emphasizing quality posts and members have to follow moderators leads.If there's a hold on myCENT conversation, a member can still earn myCENT, behave and convince any mod to lower the warning. And all of sudden there will be a sudden surge of Account Credit Balance. Once this member purchased you will never see this member in the forum being active until the next required myCENTS.PS -off topic- I still think it should be called it myCENTS because of the roll of the tongue. There are more cents displayed than 1 cent--myCENT: 1.00 verses myCENT: 2.00, myCENT: 3.00, myCENT: 89.21, etc.Nothing important... just thought to bring this to the table for more discussions lol. We're going to beat this to death if we have to.