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Saint_Michael

Although I don't pay much attention to the money forums unless I spot it or someone else does but I do see alot of this happening

http://forums.xisto.com/topic/42242-finally-a-site-that-pays/

These people tell you to pm them as to get the referrel link from them instead of posting the link without the referrel to the post.

So the New rule I propose is this.

Anyone posting a referrel type post with out a link and ask people to pm them for that info is considered spam/ pm spam/and posting referrel links.

Since this is a triple whammy of rule it goes as follow


1. First offense-posting suspended 1 week pm privilages disable 2 weeks with warning

2. Second offense account suspended 1 month

3. Ban/account suspended permantely

As always majority votes any changes needed to be made can be posted as well.

1 Vote for Yes


jlhaslip

I agree that it would be a good direction to take this referral stuff off the boards and as it stands now, the pm method is an acceptable route for the poster to get his link to our members. Problem I see with your reccomendation is how to disallow pm's for a different period of time?I suggest a 3 day suspension for first offense, 1 week for the second and indefinate for the third. Suspension does not allow posting, shoutbox or pm's, whereas a Ban disallows posting only.


vujsa

Perhapes some better method of determining what is spam and what is not would be a better idea.

 

To explain:

The definition as accepted throughout the internet is an unsolicited message that has been posted for personal or commercial gain. Basically referal linking!

 

The rule that you have purposed would cover a much broader scope. I only bring this up since it was just a day or two ago that I replied to a post and in my message I offered to provide anyone that wanted it my referal link to EZ Rewards. I would have simply posted the link in the reply since it wasn't spam but there is a no posting referal link rule in effect. See because the topic starter was looking for free domain services, the link would have been a solicited resource and as a result wouldn't be spam. The idea behind the no referal link is that most referal links are spam.

 

See where I am going with this? Technically speaking, I managed to offer the person the referal link which they solicited but didn't violate the TOS, AUP, or forum rules.

 

If we followed the rule that you proposed, then members wouldn't be able to get the information that they my require.

 

The difference between me and the spammers is that my intent is to provide the user with information, based on his query, which could help him. The spammer is only interested in getting his link displayed as many time as possible.

 

So maybe we need to have a few guidelines in plaece prior to creating yet another new rule.

Here are the warning signs that the user is a spammer:

"PM Me for link" in topic starter

Poster has less than 20 posts

Post reply is off topic or "PM Me for link" is the only content.

Topic has been dorment for more than 1 month

Mosts posts are made in non-credit forums

I think if the user has 2 or more of these negative attributes, they should just be banned for spamming.

This list only refers to the subject at hand. More warning signs are used for other forum spamming!

 

Older more establish members should be warned via PM and have their posts edited. [/hr]The reason I bring this up is that it is a lot of work to distribute a referal link via PM requests. You have to check your PM's regularly and have to interact with the other members. Most spammers just want to post their link and forget about it until they collect their earnings. The "PM Me" method is just too much work for most of them so it probably isn't as big of a problem as you might think. [/hr]So in my opinion, there really doesn't need be a new rule!

 

If we had a rule, the penalties you suggested really wouldn't work. We either have a spammer or we have a memebr. We can't have both!

 

If you think the member made an honest mistack, warn them and move on. If they break the rule again, get rid of them. If you think that the member is just a spammer, get rid of them.

 

The thing is that I can add my link or even a banner for my website to my signature and refer to my website and/or domain name any time it is related to the subject and there isn't any rule against that. I would much rather have people visit my site where I can have as many referal links as I wish than place a single referal link anywhere on the internet.

 

My point is that there seems to be acceptable advertising an unacceptable advertising but the delivery is the issue.

 

Kind of like not being able to pay college athletes a salery or give them gifts to play sports in the U.S. but a scholarship is ok. :)

 

So that is a vote NO!


Saint_Michael

You do bring up some good points especially the the delievery of the message would make the most sense. You are right if someone offers it like you did (I seen the post before). That would be acceptable.

* "PM Me for link" in topic starter * Poster has less than 20 posts
* Post reply is off topic or "PM Me for link" is the only content.
* Topic has been dorment for more than 1 month
* Mosts posts are made in non-credit forums


Some of those do apply for when referrel links do get posted and what not. Maybe addition settings to the current rule would be more feasiable instead of making it a whole new rule.

Kubi

I vote no as well.It seems like a difficult system. I don't believe you can disable PM rights for a certain amount of days anyhow. Making it more difficult. I suggest, anyone saying "PM Me for a link", is simply considered spam. 0 Posts. Ban the members, straight up.As vuj said, more established members should just be warned via PM. And then the second offence would lead to a warning, and so on.


Dooga

These posts are useless, as they do not contribute to the forums. They are considered spam anyways.

But a post such as

Go to https://www.google.de/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=BwkjVKfAD8uH8QfckIGgCQ&gws_rd=ssl for a search engine! And if you want to support me, PM me for the referal link

then that would work.

If you found a post that said "PM me for the tutorial" or "PM me to read what I wrote for this post" then what's the point of the forum? Saying "PM me for *A* tutorial" or "PM me for *more information*" would be better, provided that the post they made with this message actually has something useful.

I still STRONGLY suggest a minimum post limit (like having at least.... 5 posts) to post in the Make Money section. Most of the spammers (like 99% of them) are people who only have 1 or 2 posts...

Perhaps, when you join the forum, you should have a limited account in which you have to post 5 posts before you can post in "special" forums like Make Money, or do other actions like send PMs, (and/or post links) etc. Instead of posts, credits would work as well (for example, at least 5 credits must be gained beforing posting in certain forums and sending PMs are allowed etc.)

Kubi

How bout this. Instead of "warning the member for posting referrals with no posts"....How bout, close off certain forums to people altogether until they reach a certain number.Money Making for example, 10 posts.Put "A minimum of 10 posts is required to post here", and if they spam to just get in there, ban em. I'm sure it'd help regulate the forum to people who are truly going to be active.


Dooga

How bout this. Instead of "warning the member for posting referrals with no posts"....How bout, close off certain forums to people altogether until they reach a certain number.
Money Making for example, 10 posts.
Put "A minimum of 10 posts is required to post here", and if they spam to just get in there, ban em. I'm sure it'd help regulate the forum to people who are truly going to be active.


Exactly.

Saint_Michael

Awesome idea kubi and dooga if I could add to it a bit how about making it a hosted members only. A bit extreme but at least there will be a better control of who is posting in there as well. Plus it will meet the posting requirement in a way, most new members who do rush into posting take 10+ just ot match the credits needed for the first plan.


jlhaslip

So you are suggesting "groups" for the members?Newbies= 0 - 10 postsRegulars= 10 - 100 postsFull members > 100 posts or Hosted status would be same thing?Something like that?


Saint_Michael

you know how we got the request a sig requirement you need at least 10 posts to request a sig something like that. You know that new members can't see the hosted forum unless they become members something like that.


jlhaslip

"Groups" - needs management, (time and people), unless there is an IBP function for automatic membership in a Group?


vujsa

You know, if a person is here for the purpose of spamming, then not allowing them to post in the money making forum isn't going to stop them! They'll just post in another category.There are ways to limit a users ability by number of posts. If we set up all new members as probationary members and automatically change to members when they reach 10 posts, then that would do it but if they make ten possts and become a "member" then we delete half the posts as junk then what. A spammer isn't above making a few crappy posts just to get enough posts in to post his spam!Time for bed here or I'd go on.