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new-world-order

I was watching the tele and the news came on so i just sort of watched the headlines and it was the usual stuff but still they are going on about oil and how its running out and i said to my mum "will they never shut up about this..." and then she replyed in the [its important though way]" its not as if our cars run on air is it"...and thats when it hit me surly you could power a car with air and i started to think about it and i thought of alot of different things and they where all your basic stuff nothing too complicated and then i realised if im going to come up with something big that might acualy come on i need to be more realistic so i thought about how the current engines work with the fuel being pushed into the pistons which made a small explosion which moved the pistons which in turn moved the crank shaft... when it hit me why not replace the fuel with bursts of air (just like a steam engine) and they would come out of a tank of compressed air.... i then realised how would the air be recompressed and had to sit down and think that on through and i cam up with a rather engeanious but simple idea, all you would have to do is put a pistion aside which powers another little motor and the motor would be used to recomress the air agian... of corse it would have to be stoped eventualy to recharge the starter motor but still i think i could get this to work i might even see if i could make a little go cart or sumthing like that lol ill post some pics if i can :lol: Please Talk excessivly on improvements i could make to my project


mozzer

There are a three problematic flaws in your plan.Firstly, you require a car to turn piston to have compressed air forced into an engine forcing down the pistion to achieve lower pressure. Firstly in a normal motor the air is brought in at normal pressure and the exploding fuel increases the pressure. What you want to do is increase the pressure and then decrease it. To do this you need to force the high pressure air in without a motor.Then you have the added problem of using some of the created energy (if you achieve any, see first point) to recompress the air. You say to solve the problem of the inachievable perpetual motion you "recharge" the engine. Again possible but would result in very little air/energy actually becoming useful. As in motion of the car. These cars would be slower and less efficient than normal cars.Finally, where does the energy come from to compress the air? My bet is that you say either electricity or something similar. These products also have problems in creating as currently the majority of electricity comes from huge plants buring oil or coal.To solve these problems you would need to create a differently designed engine to the current combustion engine and desgin on which could work on the principle of compressed air


Blacklaser

I agree with mozzer, your system won't work. The main problem is that compressed air isn't just floating around. To compress it we need to put energy into it, and then we use that energy to drive the car. What is providing the energy to compress the air? As mozzer pointed out... in the end you'll be back to oil.Also if you use 4 pistions to drive the car and one to power the compressor, the compressor only has enough energy to recompress enough air to fill one piston.


Albus Dumbledore

what mozzer and blackster are talking about is all gibberish to me :lol: but anyways, from what they say, it wont work, but it would be cool if it were to work, no more gas to buy probably making everyone who supplies our oil over on the far side of the worl go poor...lol seems like a good ideal in some ways but bad in others.


new-world-order

The Compresser would be charged by a giro system running off the crank shaft it would be geared to take in anogth energy to power the compresser as needed due to the fact it wouldnt have fuel and even if ti did have fuel what a difference it woulf make think of how much fuel wouldbe saved all you would need is a small generater which can take about 8 hours to run dry from about 3 litres of petrol dont crititise other peoples ideas unless you ahve a better solution you self and albus thanks it is a rather cool idea besides there is an engine that runs on air as i have found out after googling for acouple hours ill post the blue prints for it and a pic of the engine dont automaticly asume everything will fail put a bit off faith into things:DPeace aaron


Brian Gillingham

I think that nearly anything should be considered. Possible sources of energy to drive these air compressers may be windmill, water turbines (dam), water mill (like wind mill, under water), solar, geo-thermal, kinetic, microwave.... (ok, getting carried away - Microwave?!).It is just great to see that there is much thought going into this. The sad fact is that this is only now being seen as a more urgent need. Most of the rest of the world has higher fuel standards for cars than America. It is just terrible to know that a large portion of people (making no assumptions about who posted here before me) are only now interested in these things because fuel is costing more by the day.If a country could pull together the resourcs to put a man on the moon in less than 10 years time, they could certainly solve some of our energy problems.I have heard about this car that runs on compressed air... can't remember any other details.


mozzer

I still cannot believe that a car can power itself on air that it has compressed itself.Show blueprints and then prove it. Make the car and I'll be less skeptical.From what I've read on the subject it requires pre-compressed air to inject. There is you key flaw


anwiii

The Compresser would be charged by a giro system running off the crank shaft it would be geared to take in anogth energy to power the compresser as needed due to the fact it wouldnt have fuel and even if ti did have fuel what a difference it woulf make think of how much fuel wouldbe saved all you would need is a small generater which can take about 8 hours to run dry from about 3 litres of petrol dont crititise other peoples ideas unless you ahve a better solution you self and albus thanks it is a rather cool idea
besides there is an engine that runs on air as i have found out after googling for acouple hours ill post the blue prints for it and a pic of the engine
dont automaticly asume everything will fail put a bit off faith into things:D
Peace

aaron


well, not sure how all that would work bud but my advice to you is to keep your ideas somewhat to yourself if in fact you wish to pusue something like this. you don't want your ideas stolen and am sure would want the credit if you ever came up with something or even just an idea that would possibly work.

nice name btw. you ever have a girl in your class named "erin" where you had to go by your middle name because you diddn't want to be associated with a girl during roll call? heheh i did

brainless

actually, some guy from around Spain had this idea 15 years before you and has his car almost ready for the market :lol:

http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/


anwiii

actually, some guy from around Spain had this idea 15 years before you and has his car almost ready for the market :lol:http://forums.xisto.com/no_longer_exists/


interesting. i went to the site. wonder if they could make something that doesn't look like a bus.

it's good to know though that the gas station attendants wont be out of business selling air for 2 dollars but then i believe they will need to sell more chips and slim jims

soooooooooooo this go cart idea wasn't as far fetched as people thought i see....

new-world-order

Finally at last some one has had the time to do prober reseach for us :blink: thanks mate it looks intresting and check out all the links as well there is acualy alot of thingsgoing on pitty they havent been publised anought i might contact some of them and see if they need a more professional website cos there is some of the links the webys are atrosious lol keep up the good work :lol: ps i found a jet engine kart lol check this out

http://www.lockandsafe.co.uk
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yeah it does look like a bus doesnt it i wonder if they could make a jeep like this and in stead of haveing the tank vertical behind the seats have it undernear the car but gaurded by a steel plate thanks very much if you find more info please tell us :lol:

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brainless

I uppose it's not necessary to worry too much about the looks of the car during the development phase - once the core system works, it shouldn't be too hard to design another shell around it (look at conventional cars - they all work on very much the same kind of engine and there have been loads and loads of different shapes...)new world order: I give a huge bonus for the idea of using a jet engine to power a kart but the problems of conventional cars remain: 1) Where to get oil? 2) Pollution...


kawasu

dont they have cars pwoered by water? isnt that good enough? i think that a water powered car is dam amazing. electric cars are coming in aswell, in about 15 years i wouldn't be surpirsed if alot of people switched. oil prices are getting ridiculously high and ever increasing. people are going to think twice about what cars to buy now.


brainless

kawasu: yes, those are also somewhat near mass production ... and yes, they are amazing but diversity should do the trick (what about combining the air-powered engine with a water-powered engine instead of a regular gasoline-powered one? that might be a good idea for the next step once people have switched away from gasoline...)15 years might be a doable time to replace a large part of the cars used nowadays with non-/way less polluting cars but that's not fast enough, if you ask me. I'm not worrying about gas prices (the higher the better, that's what I think), I'm seriously worried about this planet's state. So many people produce so much waste in such a short time... :)


Cerebral Stasis

Kawasu, electric cars were around far before cars with fuel cells. The problem with cars "running on water" is that the conversion process uses a lot of energy, so the final output isn't efficient enough to rival a gasoline engine.Now, an engine that runs on pressurized air is certainly possible, but the problem is that the compressed air in and of itself wouldn't be enough to run a car. The link that was mentioned is for a car that uses a hybrid of compressed air and fuel, but a purely compressed air model would be difficult to create, not to mention would be inefficient.It's all about the efficiency, and the facts are that most ideas just don't have it.


moldboy

I gues I jumped in on this oen a little late, but I just wanted to point out that Air Hog has been making kinds toys that run on air powered engines for quite some time now. I'm not to sure about the recompressing air part, but the actual engine works.


Wolves

The Compresser would be charged by a giro system running off the crank shaft it would be geared to take in anogth energy to power the compresser as needed due to the fact it wouldnt have fuel and even if ti did have fuel what a difference it woulf make think of how much fuel wouldbe saved all you would need is a small generater which can take about 8 hours to run dry from about 3 litres of petrol dont crititise other peoples ideas unless you ahve a better solution you self and albus thanks it is a rather cool idea
besides there is an engine that runs on air as i have found out after googling for acouple hours ill post the blue prints for it and a pic of the engine
dont automaticly asume everything will fail put a bit off faith into things:D
Peace

aaron

That is basically free energy, which is impossible by today's standards. The energy to recompress the air will never be the same as needed to run the engine. It just would never work.


dont they have cars pwoered by water? isnt that good enough? i think that a water powered car is dam amazing. electric cars are coming in aswell, in about 15 years i wouldn't be surpirsed if alot of people switched. oil prices are getting ridiculously high and ever increasing. people are going to think twice about what cars to buy now.

Ahh, I believe the thing you are reffering to is hydrogen powered cars. Hydrogen is explosively flammable, and is a great replacement for gas to run an engine. The area where water comes in, is the tailpipe of the car. The spent hydrogen fuel travels through the exhaust and once it meets air, it combines with the oxygen in the air to create water. H20 (water) is 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom.

Cerebral Stasis

The problem is that since hydrogen is so flammable and is very difficult to store (both because it leaks through most materials and because it doesn't compres well), it is very dangerous as a fuel. Some fuel cells, however, can give off electricity rather than hydrogen (which would then need to be pumped into an engine, etc.). See here.


moldboy

I'm not sure but I think you're all confused (regarding the hydrogen fuel) To the best of my knowledge there is no engin on the planet that runs directly on hydrogen, as it was mentioned hydrogen is extremly flamable and the combustion would be very dangerous. What they do do however is use hydrogen to generate electricty in the fuel cell, as mentioned in the previous articly then it is just a matter of an electric car. Wolves, where you say that hydrogen combines with oxygen in the air to produce water, that doesn't really happen all that well, if you were to leave a jar of hydrogen gas exposed to oxygen it wouldn't all turn to water (well it would over time), at least not at once, it could take many years. But in the fuel cell a cataylist (genearly platnium) speeds this reaction up many times over and the recombination of H+ and O- ions causes the release of electrons which are then captured.Something to look at, I am looking at going to university in the fall, and one school sent a booklet that had the "Why we are special" apparently someone there had developed a technique of storing hydrogen embeded in solid carbon, or something of the sort, thus making it much safer to store and transport!


new-world-order

well it looks like ive sparked a bit of a disscussion now :) im am sorry i havent been talking recently i have had computer problems and couldnt get on so i hope we can keep at it now i am back :(the thig is i havent realy heard anything related to this lately but ill keep you posted any way



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